A post on Politico - what many here already knew

[Debi]

<snip>

As a former Hillary volunteer in WI, I can tell you that workers and volunteers are instructed and encouraged to inundate the blogs and message boards under multiple pseudonyms and pepper them with anti-Obama comments. We were all encouraged to be hit-men. The goal, as they said, is to make it look like 1000?s and 1000?s of people were beginning to have questions or second thoughts about Obama?s credibility and viability. They said the blogs can influence how things are covered in the media. Especially after OH, TX, RI and VT if she won either TX and/or OH. The captains did not specifically say which topics to incite, but it was understood with a wink and a nod that race, experience, trustworthiness, etc. were not off-limits. I can see in the Politico blogs that some Hillary people are following their directions of posting short comments to incite controversy and twist truths. I don?t know that I?ll support Obama, but I definitely have walked out on Hillary. Those people are obsessed with winning at any cost.

Posted By: Amy R. in WI | March 18, 2008 at 05:00 PM

<snip>

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Bill_Clinton_rural_hitman.html#comments

[Coexist]

1. no way. way. no way. way.

;)

[Texas Hill Country]

2. the veracity of that post is implicitly in question, could just as easy be Obama supporter pretendin

I think we are all smart enough to filter

[Renew Deal]

4. Speak of the devil.

lol

[Debi]

9. *snark*

:rofl:

[Texas Hill Country]

19. accusation not appreciated.

[hell-bent]

88. Is this the kind of term

that should be used as suggested by the Anointed One?

[Hepburn]

149. Let's see....

...hidden profile, low post count, no star indicating a donation to the DU...and spewing Hillbot talking points.

Hmmmmmm.....obvious much?

[Renew Deal]

3. You've seen Hillary's well paid staff represented on DU.

No surprise here.

[buff2]

6. The I want my damn pay!!!

:eyes:

[movonne]

17. Ask Hillary....

[Debi]

26. Well, she has had problems paying her staff in the not too distant past

Say....February :crazy:

[Texas Hill Country]

18. me too....

[ima_sinnic]

29. awww, did she come up short again?

:rofl:

[roguevalley]

57. not too hard to believe. I read someone called a "nancegreggs dittohead'

just now. sheesh. No respect. :eyes:

[Debi]

63. She'll have to write another $5 million check

before she releases her tax returns that is...

[Hepburn]

150. Well, look at the quality of the Hillbots spewing on the DU....

...it seems pretty apparent her campaign is NOT paying top dollar!

:rofl:

[Tom Rinaldo]

21. Obama has had a lot more money to spend on staff than Clinton has

If this is being done it is being done by both sides. It sure looks that way, but then again maybe none of it is true. But campaign politics is a small universe. The pros all know what works and what doesn't, and no side will allow opponents free use of a potent weapon without countering it.

There are lots of "tea leaves" out there for us all to read.

[dailykoff]

32. The Obama campaign hasn't racked up a record of dirty tricks.

Hillary's has, and there are lawsuits to prove it.

[Tom Rinaldo]

45. There are dueling lawsuits

And all of the most viscious attacks on Clinton, and they have been relentless, always originate in the blogosphere, where there are no real finger prints left.

[dailykoff]

71. The Clinton campaign has filed at least two notorious lawsuits,

in Nevada and Texas, and I know the Obama campaign filed a complaint with the DNC against the Clinton campaign in Nevada. Do you know of any other lawsuits?

[Debi]

39. Where are the Obama volunteers posting complaints about the campaign

strategy?

Whether or not both campaigns are engaged in these shenanigans, only a former Clinton supporter has decided to speak out.

[Tom Rinaldo]

66. Don't you see how that argues against your point?

One person supposedly deciding to break ranks. What if that person decided not to, or if a so called Obama hit blogger was the one person to break ranks instead? To call this a very small sample is an understatement. And since the concept is dirty tricks, it could just as well be an Obama blogger pretending to be a Clinton blogger we are reading.

I viewed some things like the Obama campaign secretly taking out a web site URL "DesperateHillaryattacks.com" and the mass explosion of posters using "desperate" as the chosen adjective to describe Hillary Clinton, and I wondered. All of that was before a single vote got cast.

[dailykoff]

68. There have been several Obama campaign volunteers on DU

who said they had to pledge not to engage in crap like this. I've seen a couple of threads on this.

[Debi]

70. I'll just wait here for the angry disillusioned Obama volunteers

to start posting...................:boring:

[hell-bent]

91. Ahh....but your guy has a larger budget.

Are you a paid operative of the Movement?

[Stephanie]

109. She had a fulltime internet staff of ten as of LAST year >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1633118

[Debi]

114. Thanks! n/t

[LulaMay]

167. what a joke.

[meow mix]

5. i just cant beleive. i am so shocked.

:sarcasm:

[movonne]

7. I knew it...that's why there are so many of hillary people here...and

newbies....I think also that some freeper have come to stir up trouble...

[Debi]

15. or volunteers!

:bounce:

[denem]

30. Hillary blogger: " I want my damn pay!!!"

I think the good Hillary people of Iowa might have some stories to tell here.

[Debi]

33. Are there any left?

:shrug:

[denem]

41. Unpaid staffers who worked on Hills campaign in Iowa?

I bet there are!

[Debi]

50. Oh, you mean NOT YET PAID STAFFERS

I'm sure they've gotten jobs with reliable paychecks since then.

[roseBudd]

103. Their arguments also don't read right, the escalating outrage over Wright expressing

emotions about America, and so-called reverse racism, child abuse for Obama kids being in church, they are not words a DUer would write. But they have no choice, there isn't anything else that has worked to take him down.

[Arugula Latte]

8. It's always interesting here on DU, where we get inundated with anti-Obama posts,

and then a preference poll shows that Hillary supporters are outnumbered by about 4- or 5- to one. At times they have made it SEEM like the majority of DU is anti-Obama, which is simply not true.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

12. I've got over 50 Clinton supporters on ignore

Yet at any time I can click on GD-P and there are at least 10 anti-Obama threads.

[hell-bent]

99. Who gives a crap!

I guess you can't defend questions about the Messiah,right?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

102. If you have theological questions, I'd suggest you seek answers from a cleric.

I'm an atheist so I have no opinion on any Messiah.

Oh, and welcome to your place in my Dumbass Repository.

[roseBudd]

105. Where is your profile icon, Hillbot?

[Debi]

122. That poster has written 1/2 a dozen posts on this thread alone

that make no sense and only attempt to annoy whoever they are responding to.

They won't be here long. Since they aren't getting the attention they crave they will have to do something even more outrageous to make people look.

Soon we will being saying a hell-bent bye-bye. *sniff*

[Hepburn]

152. Hey...

...why is your profile hidden and why no donation to the DU???

[psychopomp]

125. Ignore the trolls

I have reluctantly put the Ignore feature to use this election season and it has helped to make GD: P look a bit more like DU. :toast:

[Texas Hill Country]

23. I have never gotten the impression that DU is anything but Obamanation supreme.

[Hepburn]

153. Hey....where is YOUR profile and why no donation to the DU?? n/t

[BlueLizard]

10. As a current Clinton volunteer

here in VA at Hillary's headquarters, I can tell you that we are told no such thing.

[Debi]

13. Okay

:thumbsup:

Gotcha ;)

The falcon flies at midnight :yoiks:

(Oh, and Welcome to DU! :hi:)

[UALRBSofL]

28. BlueLizard, As a floridian for Clinton

We were never told anything like that either but then again Florida never counted anyway so we had no exposure to anything to do with this campaign cycle.

[WolverineDG]

133. Blame your state Dems

who introduced the bill to move up the primary date & then voted for it.

dg

[Catherina]

59. Haha! And whose sockpuppet are you?

You just happened to find this thread huh?

Well, since I have you attention, tell Mz. Hillary that, as a working woman, I don'tappreciate how she's set us back several years with her manipulative screams of sexism everytime something doesn't go her way. We laugh at her and sorely wish someone with more integrity (Barbara Boxer for example) were running because Hillary and her campaign are an embarrassment.

[BlueLizard]

110. Paranoid much???

I am simply and unapologetically a Hillary supporter and have been since the beginning of the campaign. I'm sorry that you have become so jaded to question my motives for posting on DU for I am sure that there was probably a point in which you must have been a new as well. I surely hope that people were much kinder to you at the beginning.

I simply stated my personal experience as a volunteer for Hillary and what happens elsewhere or with others, I obviously cannot attest to. However, how you could have read into my message that I was asking for your personal opinion of HRC is beyond me.

[GalleryGod]

117. Sure...2001 and then again I ReUpped in 2002.

Did you like this one?

Another good tome,here...

and I'm sure that down in HQ they say all 600 people who were interviewed were AL Ly-in!

[Debi]

118. Is that how the Clinton campaign has trained their volunteers to respond

to questions? Charming :loveya:

[GalleryGod]

121. It's ALL here, Debi..not a SINGLE denial in 18 months

"The Big Girl" and her True Story..she'd be the Worst CINC in History,IMEO!

[Cooley Hurd]

163. No offense, Gallery God, but the Klein book was a RW hit piece...

...that was frought with errors.

[Cha]

96. Right...yeah..uh uh...

I believe you..NOT.

[GalleryGod]

111. Sure am glad I wasn't Waitin' On You in a Hot LZ !??

Took you 7 YEARS to "find" DU ?

That's me on the far left @ 22 years of age...


My buddy,Tommy, guards us Inbound, 1972.



WHERE was Bill? Oh...that's right..we covered his horseshitte story 'bout 16 years back...
it still stinks...fugazi,fugazi,fugazi.

[corkhead]

11. no fear, they have all been renditioned to my Ignore blacksite

[dailykoff]

14. "It's only illegal if you get caught."

But I'm not going to point any fingers.

[Debi]

16. Heh

:hi:

[Nia Zuri]

20. kick

[KoKo]

22. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... Amazing ...Psy=Op Post against Hillary...

:puke:

[Joe the Revelator]

24. I've been saying this ALL fucking week about the 'I'm worried about Obama and Wright" assholes

nt

[Debi]

27. Looks like they may be professional assholes

:hi:

[roseBudd]

106. The phenom is called a concern troll

[apocalypsehow]

25. Doesn't surprise me in the slightest - in the HRC campaign's universe, rules are for other people.

n/t.

[Debi]

31. Yeah, DNC Rules

Texas county convention rules

:eyes:

campaign finance rules...

[jlake]

34. I guess you missed the irony of believing a post on the internet about believing posts on the

internet.

[Debi]

40. All I did was cut and paste

you responded :eyes:

[jlake]

43. You thought it was post-worthy..... and I guess you don't see the irony.

[Debi]

46. Do you jump every time somebody puts a sharp tack on your chair?

You know where the ignore button is - if you don't like my threads use it. :hi:

And have a blessed day! :loveya:

[jlake]

49. I do like your threads. You seem like a nice, knowledgeable person.... that's why

I thought this was an odd post.... just sayin'

:shrug:

[Debi]

55. Okay, well you have a nice day then

[Name removed]

51. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Debi]

54. OMG - That is hilarious!

:spray:

Good-bye cruel world...until Monday :rofl:

I quit believing anything the poster wrote early on when they pretended to be a Biden supporter and posted garbage about the other candidates.

[jlake]

162. I'll be happy to send you copies of my donation letters to Biden.

You have NO RIGHT to question my support of Biden.

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[Debi]

164. Please scan them and post em here on DU

I'd love to see the letters you wrote him :thumbsup:

And why don't I have the right to question your support? :shrug:

Do tell.........:boring:

[jlake]

56. Bwahahahahahaha Then stop STALKING me - it's against DU rules.

[apocalypsehow]

65. Posting facts about your dishonesty is hardly "stalking." Avail yourself of the ignore button if you

don't like it, sport.

[Debi]

67. They were responding to my post

but if you were to leave DU like you SAID you were going to do - people would quit responding to YOUR posts! :thumbsup:

[jlake]

69. Yeah, by linking to my post when they knew I was in the thread....

just like they've been doing all day.

[apocalypsehow]

72. Cry me a river, sport.

:cry:

[jlake]

73. WAAAAAAH! Obama pays me to stalk real DUers!!!! WAAAAAH!!!!

[apocalypsehow]

77. Uh-huh. You just don't like evidence of your base dishonesty being pointed out. I wouldn't either,

were I in your shoes.

[Debi]

79. I thought you left?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4970797

:hi:

[apocalypsehow]

82. LOL! It's called "the long goodbye"...

:thumbsup:

[Debi]

87. For some reason it seems almost too long!

x(

[jlake]

154. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Debi]

75. Once again...Ignore is your friend

but :crying: about being picked on is probably more fun isn't it?

[jlake]

78. Oh Debi, you're a hoot!

:hug: You're now my 2nd favorite Obama supporter.
Your sharp snark and constant derision towards Hilly supporters doesn't mask what a great Democrat you are!

:toast:

[Debi]

81. What makes you think I'm an Obama supporter?

I attended my county convention as an Edwards delegate.

Now, when will you be keeping your word?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4970797

[jlake]

86. I came back after some of the most vicious Obama supporters were TSed.

And you are certainly a Clinton hater..... and you're gong to have a conniption fit when Edwards endorses the Hillster.

[Debi]

90. Why would I?

I'm voting for the Democrat in November.

I walked into my caucus uncommitted and walked out uncommitted.

I attended my county convention as an Edwards delegate.

You can try to paint me anyway you wish.

If it makes you feel better :toast:

That's what really matters to me.

[Robb]

126. Myself, I don't hate Clinton. Or anyone.

You, however, are a challenge.

[Debi]

127. Hi dingbat!

:hi:

What are you doing in GD-P?

[jlake]

147. Oh dear......

[Greyskye]

137. oh, THAT one

I was wondering who y'all were talking about.

"You are ignoring the author of this thread"

[meow mix]

143. edit

oops

[meow mix]

144. bookmarked

didnt see that one ty

[K Gardner]

35. I have never doubted this. Kudos to KOS for running them off. Now we'll have even more of them

here.

[meow mix]

36. i thought i saw a sudden increase of rabid monster supporters with low post counts..

very recently

[stillcool]

37. me neither...

too many posting the same thing verbatim over and over. I've got my trigger-finger on Ignore now, and I'm having a blast knocking them off my screen.

[SoFlaJet]

38. Kos did?

I mean it was so friggin obvious-they thought we were stupid people here-we aren't-we have seen a LOT of shit thrown our way since 2001 here...

[Debi]

44. They just didn't like the fact that KOS wouldn't let them post pics of

kittens and rainbows while bashing Obama in their diaries.

So many have joined in just the last week...Hmmmmmm

[Catherina]

62. KOS did America a favor. n/t

[Binka]

76. Indeed He Did!

:hi:

[NYDem Observer]

42. Hillary's new campaign slogan should be

Whatever It Takes

[denem]

47. Hillary's staff new slogan "Show me the money!"

Dem electorate: - 'and where does it come from'?

[Debi]

48. Ummmmm

That's been her slogan ever since New Hampshire. x(

[TheZug]

52. Impossible to believe!!!! So un-Clinton-esque!!!!!!

Er, not really.

[rinsd]

53. Wow an anonymous post on the internet...well that settles it!

:eyes:

[Debi]

58. Just as trust-worthy as any of the posters here on DU

:shrug:

Tell me the difference.

[rinsd]

64. "Just as trust-worthy as any of the posters here on DU"

Exactly anecdotal claims here are worthless and almost always self serving.

[Debi]

83. I'll take you at your word!

:hi:

[rinsd]

85. !!

:spray:

:hi:

[UALRBSofL]

84. And you know how I take a post that has no sources

Other then a poster on a blog site? It's as credible as Axelrod stating Hillary is running a campaign like a republican. Duh, I wonder why he would say that? Anything to get delegates if it meant Axelrod had to sell his kids. Some folks on DU shock me with lack of critical thinking. :rofl:

[Nia Zuri]

60. Buh-bye...I've gotten busy, putting all suspected staffers on igmore

Not supporters mind you, but the fiercly anti-Obama ones....the ones who spout off the same memes almost simultaneously

[Debi]

61. ME???

:wow:

[hell-bent]

107. Well take your time

and be sure to get them all! Can you believe that some don't believe?

[wrando]

74. politco rt wing hacks

The politico is a group of Hillary hating, mostly older, all washed up Washington hacks. I doubt this is anything more than a made up story. What would be the sense in wasting assets on people who's minds 99% locked in. Most of the Hillary supporters I read on blogs may stick up for her, but they don't usually denigrate Obama. I like Hillary, but I would certainly vote for Obama over any repub.

Bill from ct

[Debi]

95. Weird -

Since Ben Smith has actually had to come out and tell posters to quit calling him a Hillary endorser :crazy:

So, if he's a right wing hack and he's an Hillary supporter.......Hmmmmmmmm:think:

[wrando]

132. debi

do ya think The Politico thinks McCain is pretty?

check back on that on some time later

Bill from ct

[WolverineDG]

80. Interesting

but as they say, on the internet, no one knows you're a dog.

It could be as this poster says, then again, maybe not. But based on my experiences in Texas, I'm inclined to believe it.

dg

[UALRBSofL]

93. Ewww speaking of Texas I have articles

Of the way the Obama supporters did a lot of underhanded stuff with the sign-in sheets among other things. Of course, it is a sited source, unlike a poster on a blog, LOL.

[Debi]

97. Did they find the sign in sheets at the Denny's? n/t

[UALRBSofL]

108. OMG Denny's

:rofl:

[WolverineDG]

129. Whatever

I recall all those "sources" & truth be told, there's loads of evidence that the HRC folks did all that & worse (which is why they might not want to press this issue too hard in Texas.)

dg

[AX10]

89. This is what Obama supporters do.

They have hi-jacked most of the left wing blogs.

[Debi]

94. You all have to get your messages straight - post #74 says Politico

is a RW blog :crazy:

Which is it?

[WolverineDG]

131. That's like whining about Ed Schultz & other progressive shows

being "anti-Hillary" because they never have her on. Until New Hampshire, Ed offered his show DAILY to Hillary or her supporters, would call & offer them as much time as they wanted, & his calls went unanswered except for the message "Hillry doesn't do progressive talk radio."

dg

[Name removed]

92. Deleted message

on ignore and seem to be adding 3 or 4 a night. I've tried to engage some in debate but they're stuck on tps and red herrings that have nothing to do with reality.

Thanks, Debi, for the confirmation of something, like you say, that most of us already knew.

[Debi]

101. I think we'll see more defections the nastier the campaign gets

:hi:

[Cha]

115. I'll see more

Ignores..that's for sure. I'm not wasting my time anymore on negative mind ops.

:hi:

[hell-bent]

112. Well, I am sure you will be

the "ignore" champion of DU! Congratulations of being the best of what you do.

[Cha]

120. Thanks for making my point. n/t

[Name removed]

124. Deleted message

Only here to make trouble - see upthread :crazy:

Must be lonely in mom's basement when you're out of Cheetos and she won't be back from job #2 until midnight :shrug:

[Cha]

134. I did after I told it

"thanks for making my point." :)

[Name removed]

138. Deleted message

I see that you have quite an imagination visualizing posters that don't worship your posts. Well, I can also make a mental picture of you sitting in front of your computer, with some cheap wine and inexpensive cheese, snickering about how clever you are at your feeble attempt at a humorous put-down. Hang in there, a man might call yet! And, BTW FO!:rofl:

[hell-bent]

130. I am so happy about your decision!

[GalleryGod]

98. You want some TRUTH Clintonistas (to wit, a politcal party "above and beyond" the Democratic Party)

Hey, "The Big Girl" can't hand-le the truth and neither can her co-dependent Hubby!

[roseBudd]

100. I have started looking for usernames that have no profile icon & posters who joined since Hillary

became a candidate. I am seeing several.

[GalleryGod]

104. How about the the "surge" since February 1st !?

They are all on ignore......


"Flash! Billary Campaign to hire this woman...to curry favor with the Jewish Population"

[UALRBSofL]

119. Where's the beef???

:mad:

[roseBudd]

139. hmm, also no profile icon, not very transparent

[hell-bent]

128. Sir, I think your post shows your

petty hatred for Hillary Clinton and all good Democrats supporting her. Jewish population? What do you infer by that photo? Jews are easily swayed by a sexy photo?

[roseBudd]

140. What happened to your profile icon?

[hell-bent]

141. Profile icon?

"We don't need no stinking profile icons"!:>)I have a good policy of not giving too much info about myself on the Internet. How about yourself? Age, Education, Location? How many times you have voted for a Democratic presidential nominee?

[hell-bent]

116. And, what should we do with these infidels

that have not bought into the "message of hope"?

[UALRBSofL]

123. Yeah, If Hillary doesn't win the nomination

You wont see me hanging around GD-P much. I'm not one to listen to a bunch of gloater's.

[Mags]

113. alright!!

[polichick]

135. As an Obama volunteer in PA, I can tell you that workers and volunteers...

...are expected to stay positive, even to steer visitors' anti-Clinton comments toward something else, such as some issue they are interested in. That is the God's honest truth ~ nobody in that building disses our opponent; even new volunteers catch on right away.

[Debi]

160. Thanks for that info

exact opposite of what the Clinton camp is being told (per the poster in the OP). :hi:

[Swamp Rat]

136. CyberPieHole - aka - numerous new DU trolls in the past few days.

What they seem to not understand, is that they are driving people, at least from what I have seen here, away from Hillary Clinton. :dunce:

[roseBudd]

142. Their vitriol is most unbecoming

[Swamp Rat]

146. It's backfiring

:D

[FlyingSquirrel]

170. For all we know that could be their purpose as well

If they're Repugs, they would want us to sour on BOTH candidates and it doesn't really matter which one wins.

In fact, knowing they probably want Clinton to beat out Obama, it's the perfect strategy - help Clinton win and at the same time make the other side hate her so much that they stay away from the polls in the GE if she succeeds.

[VolcanoJen]

145. It's time to play "Who's The Cult!"

:-)

[NNN0LHI]

148. Any Freeper could have written that yet seemingly intelligent people fall for it

Sad state of affairs.

Don

[theredpen]

155. Yes, but what would be the motivation for a Freeper to write that?

If the forums are filled with anti-Obama rants, why on Earth would a Freeper want to cast doubt on their credibility?

[uponit7771]

151. Kicking this, I think I already rec'd it though

[Debi]

165. Thanks!

:hi:

[Bigleaf]

156. It was so Fucking Obvious that there were more than a few of them here today.

[Bread and Circus]

157. I'm fairly convinced there's some kind of organized effort to alter the tone and debate on DU...

It's either the Clinton campaign or the right wingers and to be honest I can't tell which.

[anamandujano]

159. Anyone who could do that would be a miracle worker. Obamatrons

outnumber us at least 25 to one.

They barely say anything substantive. They are illogical and run down anyone who has a different opinion.

Last week they all piled on Ferraro calling her racist. This week, in order to excuse Wright, there is no such thing as racism. Only blacks can understand it.

This thread exists because Obamatrons have such weak minds they can't tolerate any friction, not one word of criticism of their false god. They can't speak to the issues, they call racist or troll at the drop of a hat.

[annie1]

158. so says someone in a comment on a blog. alrighty now!

[Debi]

161. Nobody is forcing you to believe it

:hi:

[LulaMay]

166. I've volunteered and that is NOT TRUE. Nobody ever suggested such a thing.

[FrenchieCat]

168. And you just "happened" not to have a profile....

so we can't know when you joined....although I already know that it was like, last week. :eyes:

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

169. kicked and reccccccccccccced

[mojowork_n]

171. The volume/quantity of posts -- and their quality -- speak for themselves

Whatever the "pressure on volunteers", or the "degree of organization", or whatever, this board really has been flooded with brief (2 paragraphs, tops), hostile, poorly worded and poorly thought out posts.

You'd have to have the IQ of a potted plant not to have recognized it. I don't think that's the first time that's happened here, either.

[anamandujano]

172. This part is funny.

The captains did not specifically say which topics to incite, but it was understood with a wink and a nod that race, experience, trustworthiness, etc. were not off-limits.

In other words, the poster was having a fantasy and decided (s)he needed to pass it along.