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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:06 PM
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The Excuse.
Well, I figured it would happen and now it has; the closet racists and those people who "just don't think the time is right" have gotten their excuse for not supporting Obama in the primaries. When you actually listen to what Obama's ex-pastor says in his sermons, it's very hard not to agree with him logically, however, it's easy to say he's a separatist or a black nationalist because he's bluntly honest about the treatment black people have received over the years at the hands of white oppressors. And yes, "oppressors" is the proper word here. The oppression of black people in this country didn't end with abolition, it didn't end with the 15th Amendment, it didn't even end with the civil rights laws of the 1960s. The truth is that it goes on today in subtler and more devious ways, one of which is looking for an excuse not to vote for the black man.

I'm not saying that everyone who doesn't support Obama is a racist, there are honest policy differences (not many but some) separating him from Clinton. There are even more stylistic differences that some will prefer over the other. However, every person who posts an hysterical thread claiming Obama is through because he's linked to Pastor Wright is displaying racism. Every poster who throws up some biased statement about how Obama can't win in the swing states "because you know", is showing their true colors. And every poster who claims Obama hasn't earned his place as the front runner in this primary is telling us all what they really think of black people. They've found their excuse.

If/When Obama wins the primary and goes on the the general election, there will be plenty more of these people out there happy to stoke little flames into raging infernos, there's no doubt about that. We'll hear about second cousins who are in jail for drugs, we'll hear about studies that prove blacks aren't as intelligent as whites, and we'll hear about scary black preachers who dare to tell the truth. Perhaps that will be too much for America to take. Maybe there are too many racists to win. It's possible that the time just isn't right for a black man to be president. I don't know, but I do know the excuse will be there in the voting booth for those people.

For myself, I'm going to vote for Obama, anyway. He might not have a chance as so many Clinton supporters are gleefully posting, repeatedly, today. On the other hand, he will have a better chance with my support than without it and that's the kind of guy I am - I support the better person regardless of color. I don't need the excuse but I do need my self respect.

I'm voting Obama.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:39 PM
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1. Maybe if I'd said something about hating Clinton or Obama this would have gotten a response.
Oh well.... That's GD: P for you, I guess. :shrug:
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:50 PM
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11. Sometimes
you just have to give yourself a :kick:

;)
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:56 PM
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17. Hurray for the kick of disappointment!
:hi:
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:42 PM
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2. K&R
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:43 PM
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3. Me too. me too.
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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:44 PM
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4. Who needs an excuse. He will not win a General election
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:45 PM
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5. Looks like you don't need an argument either, these days
How are you managing with that flea infestation?
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:47 PM
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8. 10 more primaries, 1 more win - she's a lock in the General.
Hahahahahahahaha!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:46 PM
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6. Of course....you are correct....but it goes without saying,
cause no one wants to say it, so they go around it with dumbshit.

The fail to realize that these are their projection onto the election and who White people will vote for. Which is why they have no clue as to how prejudice they truly are.

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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:06 PM
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31. Have you noticed that the racism that is now the norm on DU..
...would have never been tolerated 3 months ago? I believe 3 months from now it will be much worse. Hold on tight--it's gonna be a bumpy ride.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:46 PM
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7. like children who throw a tantrum and are rewarded for it, Clinton supporters are maladjusted
at this point.

It's really sad.

I knew what the Clintons were but gave them slack up til a while ago.

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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:49 PM
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9. You're a low race-baiter. (And apparently already found your excuse for not voting for a woman)
:rofl:
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:50 PM
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10. That was funny?
I don't get the joke. Care to explain?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:52 PM
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12. That I attacked you for your argument while using the same lame argument on you
That's a form of joke... like "I was nowhere near the murder scene that night, plus I didn't know the gun was loaded"
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:54 PM
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15. Ahh...so the thread hits a little close to home for you. I get it.
Funny, I guess. :eyes:
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:00 PM
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18. Actually, it doesn't hit home at all.
I have never needed an excuse to not support Obama. I was quite comfortable disliking him before.

And it's 75% likely that he will be the nominee, and if that's the case I will be voting for him in November.

My mirth is at the idea that you think people are obliged to vote for a black candidate, no matter how fanciful his candidacy, and that any failure to support him must be predicated on an excuse.

From a color-blind perspective he's a silly candidate. If he was white he would be about the most hated man in the Party around here.

So the only one in this exchange with weird race issues seems to be you.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:12 PM
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20. You really have nothing of merit to say, ever, do you?
Good bye.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:14 PM
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21. Of Merit = Agreeing with you. Great... we can ignore each other
Double safe, like a belt and suspenders or a condom and a spermicide

Bye

:hi:
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:53 PM
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13. Obama, the man in my honest opinion is no man of honor. I say
he was the one with help from his surrogates that played the race card and blamed clinton and with a willing whoremedia it worked. If a man admits that he attends this church on a regular basis and tells reporters that he has never been present when this preacher man spoke against america, against whites, against Jews, against israel. This is a lil too much to believe. If it is proven that obama was present when pastor wright went into one of his rants (obama says he hasn't been there) then I say one lie does not condone another and obama should drop out.

So many things have fallen into place after hearing this preacher speak: i e michelle not being proud of her country until obama won some primaries. Obama playing the race card early in new hampshire in late 06 that folks let it go back.

But if you think the rnc and the gop are not looking through every tape and sermon and any other way they can find to find the "smoking gun" of obama attending church while the pastor was spreading this venom.....
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:49 PM
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27. What? No soul hole? You're slipping.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:59 PM
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30. Obama said he was not present when these 2 particular sermons took place
He NEVER said that he was never present for any controversial remarks. He said before that Reverend Wright says crazy things sometimes that he doesn't agree with.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:53 PM
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14. Thank you for your post
Quote
The oppression of black people in this country didn't end with abolition, it didn't end with the 15th Amendment, it didn't even end with the civil rights laws of the 1960s. The truth is that it goes on today in subtler and more devious ways, one of which is looking for an excuse not to vote for the black man.
Unquote

Because the naked brutal oppression is gone people think that it is no longer oppressive. Because there are some routes that have been made easier some people believe that equality has been achieved.

What is still unequal and oppressive that you have articulated so well can be seen in this campaign.

If Hillary Clinton and not Barack Obama had

the most delegates
the most primaries
the most caucuses
raised the most money
had the most donors
has the most Seantorial endorsements
has the most Gubenatorial endorsements
won the popular vote
won the popular vote in the largest 7 contested states

then the party would have insisted that the circus be called and we embrace the nominee.

Running against Barack Obama has no racial connotations at all - obviously.

Continuing the campaign past a reasonable point and continuing to apply an obvious double standard does have racial connotations.

We have reached the point that to continue to maintain an obvious double standard to the candidacy is in itself racist.

People have to decide for themselves exactly when that point is for themselves, but the pretense that there is not a double standard

that is now being applied to Senator Barack Obama is more tenuous by the hour.


















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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:14 PM
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22. Thanks, Grantcart.
It seems the absolutists here can't understand the meaning of my post and feel the need to attack. I've just put a couple more on ignore and can only suggest you do the same. These people aren't worth the time to form a response.

But thanks again.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:07 PM
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32. wow thinking
in DU-P
i want to say make it its own thread please?
now for my comments
i think that the reason its been allowed to play out is a double double standard
to say to hillary that she has to step down would be "sexist"

dont get me wrong
im 52 in florida white and solidly obama
i just want to point out that we are faced with dual set of issues
they are just offsetting each other
im kinda proud myself as an older fart
that these have yet to become the central issues
gives me hope for america

in the near future
as the short list of primaries shortens
and the actual delegate counts are finalized
as the vote totals in every catagory are known
she will have to aknowledge her defeat
pelosi has already sent the message
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:54 PM
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16. "Vote for Obama or you're a bigot" Thread # 328
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 11:04 PM by MethuenProgressive
"I'm not saying that everyone who doesn't support Obama is a racist,"

I'm not saying *this* thread is "Vote for Obama or you're a bigot" Thread # 328...
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:03 PM
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19. The presumption that he is so godlike that race is the only possible reason is hilarious.
If Barack Obama was white he'd be Evan Bayh, but with a lot more raving about Jesus.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:00 AM
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23. I don't need an excuse.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:28 AM
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24. wow, what a load of flamebait n/t
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:01 AM
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25. Then you either haven't really read the post or you're part of the problem.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 01:13 AM by last1standing
Because what I posted is not flamebait.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:45 PM
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26. *snicker*
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:54 PM
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28. K&R!
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:58 PM
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29. I have to agree that Natalee Holloway asked for it and then got murdered.
I'm suppose to believe Bill Clinton Fucked the Black Community over?

I'm suppose to believe the gov't created AID to commit genocide against the Black community?

Why do I have to believe that filth?
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jconner27 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:13 PM
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33. Obama folks stop this racism bull shit
I'm a black guy and I do not support Sen. Barack Obama one because the Republicans want him therefore I'm not incline to give the Republicans want they want unlike some people who call themselves Democrats. And you're be a fool if you haven't notice the majority of the states Obama has won are not even going to go to him in the fall, it's not because he's you know black it would be because you know they're fuckin Republican states.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:12 PM
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34. It is not Obama supporters who...
fan the flames of racism. I should be able to support any candidate I want, and still find the use of race to inflame and divide disgusting. I have been paying attention. Here are some articles that point out who has been using the issue of race throughout this Campaign season.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/...


February 2, 2008
Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-t...
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)



January 17, 2008
COMPTON, Calif. (AP) Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008...


Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.

"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.

In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=...


December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."


Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12...


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

States that Obama has won...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president /...
Alabama
Alaska
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Minnesota
Nevada
North Dakota
South Carolina
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Virgin Islands
Washington
Wisconsin
Wyoming
+Democrats abroad
Missouri
Texas
states that were tied
New Hampshire

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