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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:00 PM
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You got your "Angry Black Man" You can run away now.
I keep reading stats and figures saying that roughly 20-25% of Hillary Clinton's supporters are racist; or at least that race is a major factor in helping them decide who to vote for.

I really didn't want to believe it was true, that so many democrats could think in such a closed minded way. Unfortunately in the last few days I have come to believe that the number is probably higher than we are being led to believe. Surprise! Race is an issue in the United States.

Barack Obama's pastor said some pretty amazing things. He was very blunt about it, to put it mildly. However, answer me this. Was he wrong? No, he wasn't. The fact is everything that man said was true.

I can understand why you don't like how he delivered the message, but that doesn't make his message any less factual. And it doesn't make me any less patriotic for saying so. This country and our government have done some deplorable things. There is no excuse it. And Wright was correct to say so.

Harold Ford gave every bigot in Tennessee an excuse NOT to vote for him when he had his "angry black man" moment in his senatorial campaign. You saw his chances go right out the window. Yes, the "call me" ad was damaging, but not as much as him showing up to confront Corker.

Apparently standards have changed since then. Now, I guess it has come to the point where ANY angry black man will do. It doesn't even have to be the candidate himself. Just ANY angry black man he knows will do, as long as they are black and angry. Did I say that enough? Any angry black man will do.

I keep reading on here that Obama should have known what his pastor's views were. Wright must have done it before. Obama knew the man for 17 years. How could he not have known? He must be lying to us.

That is just incredible. How amazing it is to be in company with so many psychics. I swear, we could start our own psychic friends hotline. We can get Ms. Cleo! I can hear her saying "call me now" with her Jamaican accent. Wouldn't she fit this situation perfectly?! Shit, if you want we can go get Dion Warwick too. Those black people, they are just too much.
Of course, we "don't mind" those kind of black people, do we? They make us laugh; we don't have to take them serious; the don't pose a "threat."

In order to illustrate my point above, I would like to share something with you.

Let me say first that I am a native american male and I have an african american girlfriend. I was going to bring her home to "meet the parents" next month. That was the plan until I learned (less than one month ago) that my father is a complete racist.

Let me repeat that. I learned less than one month ago that my father is a racist. Well, a bigot at the very least.

I will be 30 years old this year. About two or three weeks ago my father and I were having a discussion about politics and he PROUDLY told me that there is no way he would vote for a N@@@@r for president. He then continued to tell me why not, and how "they" are, and how "they" stick together, and how "they" will stab you in the back.

30 years. 30 years and I just found that out. I lived with him for 18 years. (One more than Obama has attended Wright's services.)

I never knew. So please, don't tell me that "you know" Obama knew. Quite frankly, you don't "know" the first thing about it. You never know until you hear it for yourself.

Now, what I do know what you are going to say; because I've read it over and over. "But Wright isn't part of Obama's family." He should have just cut him loose; right?

Well, maybe Wright isn't a blood relative, but who are any of us to tell Obama, or anyone else for that matter, who they can consider family. No, they weren't related by blood, but they have had a 17 year relationship.

Wright married Barack and Michelle. I believe he baptized their children. (I could be wrong on that.) He has been a spiritual adviser for Obama's entire family.

If that doesn't make you family, then I don't know what does. And if people can't see that, then I really feel sad for them. It must be very difficult to live with such narrow-minded beliefs.

So, I would suggest you all do yourselves a favor. Before casting one more stone at Obama for the remarks his pastor made, check out your own back yard.

I guarantee that every single one of you have a least one family member or close friend who is either a racist, a sexist, homophobic, or bigoted in some other way.

You go find that person. You go see how easy it is to denounce, reject and cast them away, as you have so vehemently demanded Obama do.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:02 PM
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1. Man, that story about your father still kills me.
I hate hearing that there are people out there that still feel this way.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:05 PM
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3. I still haven't heard from him.
What is really amazing is my girlfriend. She has been so supportive, and actually isn't angry at him, just sad for him.

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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:14 PM
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13. I would be sad and angry.
That he would let his prejudice trump his relationship with his son.

Just messed up and misguided.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:18 PM
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18. My mom was just as surprised.
I mean, they are divorced now, but they were together for 11 years, and she didn't know that's how he felt.
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:53 AM
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108. Very unusual
It seems as if it would be hard to suppress latent racist thoughts, especially from your spouse and son. You say you are 30, which would put him, presumably, somewhere between 50 and 65. Are you sure he's not having some medical issues which may be causing these feelings and/or articulations? Just seems pretty unusual for someone to start spouting racist comments at that age.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:17 PM
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16. It makes sense, it is saddening when someone is caught up in racism or other closemindedness
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:25 PM
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28. Good for her.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 05:28 PM by VolcanoJen
It sounds like your girlfriend is really incredible, open-minded, and has a huge heart. Mine is breaking reading your post, but she really does sound wonderful and I think you must be, too.

Excellent post, demdog78.

Edited to add: I am so incredibly lucky to have been raised by two white parents who are open-minded Obama voters, and who instilled in me a grounded sense of equality, justice and brotherhood. Damn, a lot of the people in this thread are just fucked up. :-(
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:35 PM
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37. Yes, she is quite amazing.
Couldn't imagine life without her.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:05 PM
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2. K&R
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:07 PM
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4. Hannity has more than one tape.
DOn't you think he would have played everything he found to be objectionable.

When people say they don't believe Obama, then they don't believe Hannity either - who has listened to all the stuff that Wright has one tape.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:13 PM
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11. And you saw Obama watching Wright in these videos? No. You didn't.
Therefore you don't know.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:07 PM
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5. Recommend highly. Great post! nt
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:55 PM
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68. Thank you very much.
I get you mixed up with elsewheresdaughter. For some reason your names sound the same to me. I gotta remember you are the "good" one. :toast:


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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 09:55 AM
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111. The "good" one?
:wow: Obama supporter=good Hillary supporter=bad. I "gotta remember" that. :eyes:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:09 PM
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6. I know many racists, sexists, homophobes, and biggots, but ...
I know many racists, sexists, homophobes, and biggots, but they are not my chosen mentors and moral guides, and I am not running for president.


Are you saying that there are no Obama supporters voting for him cause he is black? For real?
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:11 PM
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8. You will not put words in my mouth. and you will not change the subject.
If you cannot address the points I made then go away.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:23 PM
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26. There ya go..if you don't agree with me.."go away"..there's a broad mind!
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:26 PM
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30. I am sick of you people changing the subject. So yes,
If you can't stick to the subject, go away and find someone willing to let you get them off topic.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:40 PM
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:08 PM
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56. Dictionary definition of racism
1. A belief that human races have distinctive characteristics that determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idean that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. A policy of enforcing such asserted right
3. A system of government and society based upon it.

Definition of liberation theology, the basis of Rev. Wright's ministry:

Liberation theology is a school of theology within Christianity, particularly in the Catholic Church. Liberation theology focuses on Jesus Christ as not only the Redeemer but also the Liberator of the oppressed. It emphasizes the Christian mission to bring justice to the poor and oppressed, particularly through political activism.

Can you not see a difference? It is not reverse racism if black ministry focuses its attention on its own poor and oppressed.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:05 AM
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104. Is it racist for a group of people to continually make charges of racism...
...that they know are not true, to further some agenda?

Curious.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:52 AM
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107. It may be distasteful, but it's not racist
It's not any more racist than when certain other people attack everyone and everything who have the nerve to point out racism in this society as "racists," "un-American," "race-card players," "race pimps," etc.

Pointing out racism, even when it doesn't exist, is not racist. However, attacking those who point out racism is often done to mask, defend, justify and divert attention away from actual racism.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:04 PM
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112. I wouldn't say so
disingenuous, perhaps, but not racist.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:31 PM
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59. Bill Clinton heavily carried the black vote in both his elections.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 06:39 PM by demdog78
Hillary split it with Obama in the beginning. It was only after they realized he was viable that they started voting for him in mass.

Oh yeah, and after the Clintons started playing the race card.

And Obdawhatever... she didn't change the subject, and I didn't say SHE did. She made a smart ass comment on someone else's comment.
Reading is fundamental on a forum. I would think with your vast experience on DU you would have learned that by now.
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soundguy Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:10 PM
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7. Very Poor Argument
The difference is this guy has been saying these things for years. If you had heard your dad say those things 18 years ago you would have known then right? Obama is digging an huge hole for himself on this one.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:12 PM
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9. You have proof that Obama heard those things? No, I didn't think so.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:19 PM
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20. You have proof that Obama is an idiot or an ostrich?
No, I didn't think so.

So you can't tell me Obama has a mentor and close friend for two decades and doesn't know the guy spews divisiveness.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:21 PM
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22. Yes, I can.
Tell me, did you attend service with the Obama? You have some proof of your accusation?

No? Then you are spewing garbage.

If you weren't there, then you don't know. If you didn't hear it for yourself, then you don't know.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:25 PM
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29. That's not proof. You have no proof. We both have opinion.
I'm entitled to mine, you're entitled to yours.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:29 PM
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33. What I can prove to you is that it is not uncommon...
to know someone for a long time and now know they are a bigot. That much I have proven.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

All you have is what Faux Noise told you to say. Unless you can prove that Obama was sitting in the pugh when Wright said this stuff, then you have nothing but an empty talking point.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:34 PM
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36. Where have you proven anything?
Now, if it were just an issue of having a friend who is a closet bigot, but keeps those views to himself, for the most part, I'd agree with you. It's be pretty easy to not know.

But when the friend gets up in front of your congregation every Sunday, and on a regular basis preaches bigotry and racial divisiveness in front of hundreds of people--people who are your friends and peers and contributors--and somehow you never hear about the bigoted statements? And you're NEVER present when they're made? And word never gets back to you that your pastor is spouting some wild stuff...

Then your head is in the sand.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:38 PM
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40. Tell me something.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 05:39 PM by demdog78
Do you not see why Wright might feel that way?

Or does the fact that country participated in slavery just not get through your head?

You don't think he might have some reason to be upset?

Silly angry black man, huh?

I guess they should just "get over it."

You disgust me, and this conversation is over with.

Welcome to my ignore list.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:42 PM
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:36 PM
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61. Amazing. Just amazing.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 06:52 PM by demdog78
And mabye this noob should just get you tombstoned for that comment. You should read the rules. You aren't allowed to insult users just because they are new.

And guilt by association? Do you want to go there with all the shady dealing the Clintons have been and currently are involved in? Please. You need to stop before I bury you.

Oh, and before you go whining to the mods... You are still on my ignore list. I just left your replies visible so I could see what kind of b.s. you were saying.

Good thing too.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #61
74. That's rich. You're gonna get me tombstoned? Please try.
If that's an insult, to state the fact that you ARE a noob, then you are even thinner-skinned than Obama, about whom no criticism can even be thought.

Please, by all means, bury me. Impress me.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #74
82. Never said I was going to. Just said you need to read the rules.
Since you have been here so long and know everything about DU...
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #61
79. You should read the rules page, as well:
"People who are easily offended, or who are not accustomed to having their opinions (including deeply personal convictions) challenged may not feel entirely comfortable here. A thick skin is necessary to participate on this or any other discussion forum."
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:49 PM
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87. I don't think that applies to racism.
I thought that was something that was supposed to be pretty safe to assume. We are democrats, right?

It takes all kinds.

So, may I ask how old you are?

I am just curious to whether you are young and uninformed or "mature" and decidedly ignorant?
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #87
91. Since you're not ignoring me...please show me one racist comment
that I made.

Just one.

Please.

I'll wait.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:05 PM
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:27 AM
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94. It's quite crazy really
We have heard about a few of Rev. Wrights sermons given over the course of 20 years. We have not heard about the thousands of other sermons he gave, which created an atmosphere where his church built up a legacy of aiding and assisting many many in a variety of wonderful programs and services. If Rev Wright was such a "hateful" man as some say he was how did he build such a wonderful church?
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #20
73. Talk about a strawman!
Common sense party? Remarks like your post are (unfortunately) common, but they don't make any sense.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #73
80. Please explain to me how I introduced a strawman.
And then, perhaps you can explain to me how Obama doesn't know about his own preacher/mentor's divisive rhetoric.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #20
100. "spews divisiveness"?
What specifically did Wright say that you consider divisive?
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #20
110. Agreed.
Obama would have to be willfully blind not to know, after 20 years, that this guy was divisive. The idea that Obama didn't know just doesn't hold water.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #7
23. Do you attend Trinity United Church of Christ?
If not, how do you know what Rev. Wright has been saying for years?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #7
39. Obama has been digging a hole by listening to a black preacher tell truth
Is that what you're saying?

LOL
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. I tell ya, there is something about that truth stuff.
You gotta look out for that. Might offend someone.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #42
49. We can't have that. Look have far we've come kissing up?
lol

Great post. :)
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. Thanks a lot.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 05:54 PM by demdog78
Sometimes I get so dumbfounded by the level of ignorance, I just want to throw my keyboard through the screen.

This isn't a "partisan" issue, either, you know. It's an issue of right and wrong. And that so many people don't get that, just floors me.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #51
54. I know. We're not very good at this. I hope we learn to do better. n/t
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:13 PM
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10. Just heard the same thing from an old family friend...godmother to one of my grandchildren. Its
disappointing, sad and disheartening. I never would have dreamed it.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. That is my point. You never really know until you hear it for yourself.
All these people arguing otherwise are doing it, at best, out of blind support for the opposing candidate.

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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:13 PM
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12. I found out this christmas that both of my parents are complete racists...
I'm 31, and still trying to wrap my brain around it...

I'm glad that it was hidden from me when I was growing up...I know exactly what you are saying...
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:16 PM
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15. i am not running to be the president so..
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. Point? Got one?
Don't come in her with some half asses lame one liner.

He wasn't running for president until last year.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:20 PM
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21. i've already stated my point, your half ass lamer.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 05:20 PM by AGirl
respect me or i will put you on ignore.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:22 PM
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24. Please do. Since you can't make a real point anyway,
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 05:22 PM by demdog78
It won't hurt my feelings any to not have to deal with your ignorance of the issue.

OH, and just so we're clear, the word ignorance means lack of knowledge.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:18 PM
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17. "The fact is everything that man said was true."
:puke:

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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #17
27. It was true. Regardless of how he said it.
It was true; all of it.

Just because the truth hurts doesn't make it a lie.

I'm sorry that isn't convenient for you. But this country has done some horrible things. No amount of :puke: is going to change that.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #27
31. So you have proof that the government gives drugs to poor people?
What? The same old tired conspiracy crap about the CIA bringing cocaine into the ghetto? Puh-leeze.

YOU HAVE NO PROOF.

Neither does Reverend Hate-the-Whites.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Where do you think it came from?
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 05:31 PM by demdog78
THAT is amazing. I'm done with you. You are just... ughhhh

You need to change your name.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. Where do I think it came from? From Columbia.
From drug dealers. To think it was part of a large government conspiracy is an infantile illusion.

There are none so blind as those who do not WISH to see.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:49 PM
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47. That's "Colombia".
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #31
57. the cia did bring crack to la.
google is your friend. search- dark alliance, gary webb, san jose mercury news.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #57
75. Been there, read that. It doesn't hold water.
The newspaper even backed away when they realized how little they had to go on.

It's all conspiracy MIHOP nonsense.

Some people sold drugs, because there was a demand and a market for it, so it was profitable to do so.

Some people used drugs because they liked how the drugs made them feel, and they didn't care about the consequences to their health. They were not FORCED to do so by Colonel Flagg.

Reality is less interesting than far-out fiction, I know, but you really must look into it.

If the CIA really did something like that, after all these years we'd have a whole lot more evidence than a couple of stories by somesecond-rate reporter in San Jose.
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #31
62. oh, brother
Where did Wright say he hated white people? Or are you so identified with the powers that be that you take personally any criticism of TPTB?

The CIA-drug connection is hardly "conspiracy crap." The connection between the CIA and drug-running goes back at least as far as the Vietnam War. During the '80s, the US got very cozy with right-wing drug runners. Those forces were given some degree of protection as long as they cooperated with the US government's foreign policy objectives. You have to be a pollyanna to think, after all this time and all the accumulated evidence, that this isn't so. It's easy to see why a lot of blacks blame the CIA in general. There is a truth there, whether you want to see it or not.

And you don't have to believe me. You can do your own research. How about starting with the Kerry Report? You remember John Kerry, don't you?
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. I guess Common Sense Party was talking about him self when he said...
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 06:48 PM by demdog78
There are none so blind as those who do not WISH to see.

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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:45 PM
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64. So you believe the government created aids to kill off the black man?
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. Yea
whatever.

So your plan then is to spend the rest of your life getting even with the white man because your dad is a racist? If you hate this country so fucking bad then move, its really not that difficult.


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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:11 PM
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71. That's nice, and you completely missed the whole point.
And second, yeah it is that hard to move out of the country. Maybe you should ask your president about that.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #71
76. Hard to move out? People do it every day. n/t
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #76
85. If you are rich maybe. Perhaps you should do some research.
Where would you like me to go? Mexico? No thanks.
Canada? Um, maybe if I could find a sponsor to take me in for that first year... You know, how your president made it so that if you move to Canada you can't work for the first year.

And, for the record, since I am Native American, I'm not going anywhere. You should be ashamed for even insinuating that.

However, you brilliantly make my point about your type of mindset and people just like you, so I don't mind.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #85
93. What did I insinuate. Cripes, you're paranoid.
You made a factually inaccurate statement, I corrected it.

It was the other guy who suggested you leave.

"Lighten up, Francis" is good advice that comes to mind.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #69
78. Your post should make KO's worst person in the world
You just told a Native American that if they "hate this country so fucking bad then move..." :wow:

I swear, just when I think that I cannot be shocked any longer by the things I see posted, I run into you. :puke:

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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #69
84. You are kidding, right? Technically, this was "MY" people's country to start with.
But I don't mind sharing.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #17
46. Noted. The truth makes you ill. n/t
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. No, bullshit does.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:59 PM
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53. I hope someday you can tell the difference.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #53
81. Oh, *I* can tell the difference all right.
I'm afraid too many in this forum/Obamalovefest have forgotten what truth even looks like, nor do they recognize it when it kicks them in the teeth.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #81
83. If you think this is an "Obama" issue, then you missed the whole point.
I would suggest you go back and read the post with an open mind.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #81
95. This has very little to do with Obama, whom I am not supporting, at all. n/t
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #50
63. You must make yourself very sick then.
Cuz you sure are spewing a bunch of bullshit.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #63
77. Just keep on "ignoring" me, dawg.
:eyes:
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #77
86. I tried to, but you just keep talking so much garbage all over my thread...
I can't just let you do that, now can I?
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #86
92. Apparently not. You don't know when to quit. nt
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:23 PM
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25. Welcome to DU.
:hi: Man, can I relate! :hug:



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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:28 PM
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32. My father was a vehement racist and homophobe
And I did make a break with him for 10 years. Until he came around.

My grand niece is bi-racial. Her mother (my niece) is white. Her father is Jamaican. My father, after much internal struggle has welcomed the new additions to his family.

It is possible to change and sometimes it takes tough love but it can be done.

Also note, I was raised Catholic and haven't been to church since I was able to support myself.

So it is possible to reject and denounce and make change.

If Obama chooses not to, that's his business.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:34 PM
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35. Welcome to DU; I will watch for more powerful OPs from you.

I'm inclined to take your point and go a little farther: we (Democrats? Americans? subgroups with little justified anger?) seem to have a big hang up about anger and angry outcries in general.



:kick: Recommended
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #35
45. Thank you very much.
This whole situation just really bothered me, especially in light of my own recent revelations.

Unfortunately, some people just don't get it, and don't want to get it.
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Jensen Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:42 PM
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43. Thanks for you always think you are the only one and then you find out that there are...
many, many others that simply did not know that Mom, Dad, Sister or Brother etc have no tolerance for anyone different. Just found out myself... Sad, this is 2008!!!
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #43
48. The funny part of this is, and I guess it's really not that funny,
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 05:52 PM by demdog78
Is that now he is talking to my sister instead of me, who he has pretty much been estranged from for the last 4 years.

Oh yeah, the funny part. My sister is trying to hook up with an AA guy she works with.

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Jensen Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #48
72. Sad and Funny at the same time ! Karma has a powerful Kick!
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:52 PM
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90. I can't wait to hear from my sister after she tells him.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:57 PM
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52. to heck with that 'run away' crap.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 05:57 PM by hfojvt
somebody bring me the Holy Hand Grenade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:02 PM
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55. Yes, kill the messenger when you don't like the message.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:28 PM
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58. only when the messenger is
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:33 PM
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60. THEY'RE GONNA BREAK INTO YOUR HOUSE AT 3 AM!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Every muthafucka with a color is most wanted." - Ice Cube
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #60
67. Hence the real intent behind the 3 a.m. ad.
I'm sorry, but that looked like a damned brinks commercial. Finally, something I can agree with Tweety on.

It looked like every Brinks home security commercial I have ever seen.

And, since when to terrorists strike at 3 a.m.? THEY DON'T! They want the TV coverage.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:07 PM
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97. You bring up an excellent point with Ice Cube.
Ice Cube (before he went all Hollywood) was always held up as nothing more than a "hate whitey" rapper. But if you actually listen to the lyrics of his music, it wasn't just about "hating whitey," it was articulating the rage at police brutality and racial injustice that he and other black people in his peer group felt ("Tear This Shit Up" is one of my favourite songs of his).

Instead of indignant white people demanding that black people stop feeling a certain way (like Ice Cube does, or Reverend Wright may), maybe they should start trying to figure out WHY they feel that way.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:53 PM
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88. i have 2 of these "democrats" in my family, this thread has inspired me to confess my shame of them.
ill do so when my timer is done, shortly
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:01 PM
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89. A little advice on that...
You might want to do it with a little more tact than I did.

I really let my father had it. In fact, it was first time in my life I ever "let him have it."

I guess you would call it one of those "child becoming the parent" moments.

I was very hard on him and told him I was ashamed and humiliated, and on and on and on.

Although, I suppose I was kind of angry. The night he made the comments I told him to call me back the next day because what he said really offended me.

When he called me back he asked me what "MY" problem was.

So you can imagine how well it went.

Anyway, the last thing I heard from him was that I gave him "a lot to think about."

And I haven't heard from him since. So, you might want to be more polite about it than I was if you want to still have a relationship you family members. You know what I mean?
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:03 PM
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96. Give me a fucking break
Anyone who doesn't support St. Obama *must* be a RACIST because the anointed one is INFALLIBLE!

Praise Jay-sus!


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:11 PM
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98. 'Way to miss the entire point of the OP!
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:41 AM
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102. Did you read any of my OP? Any of it?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:12 PM
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99. OP: "The fact is everything that man said was true." The goverment created AIDS to kill black folks?

"The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright

"After Wright's retirement, copies of his sermons were offered for sale. News organizations like ABC News bought them and searched them for more controversial material. The ABC News Blotter website, edited by reporter Brian Ross, found "repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans." In addition to providing his comments after 9/11 that had been previously publicized, the site also quoted Wright as saying "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people" <16> Another controversial comment discovered at this time was Wright's reference to AIDS conspiracy theories: "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied." <17>"

OP: "The fact is everything that man said was true."

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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:40 AM
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101. Okay, you are about 24 hours late on this one. Read up.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:48 AM
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106. "Aids was meant for the LGBT community."
...
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:52 AM
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103. HOW many different ways are there to say that if you don't support obama you are racist?
it is beyond tiresome.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:43 AM
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105. A lot of people may be pretty accepting except for ONE group that they can't stand.
I had a friend who was one of the most accepting person in the world. Then she went off on a tirade one day about Indians (India Indians) and how they burned incense or something. I was stunned. I still never could figure out where that came from.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:58 AM
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109. Jeremiah Wright for president! nt
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