"I can't tell who I am running against Bill or HIllary." Sexist and divisive

[Evergreen Emerald]

That statement from Barack Obama's own mouth was divisive and sexist. It was worse than anything Ferraro said. And, yet Obama gets a free pass.

Ferraro is right about one thing: when anyone speaks against Obama "Racism!" is shouted from the rooftops and everyone is told to shut up about Obama.

And yet, Obama can say something so divisive and so sexist with no consequences.


Why? Is sexism ok? Is it the media pushing it? Why is there such a double standard in America?


Race: we have to be allowed to criticize Obama without shouts of racism. Ferraro said the same thing Edwards said. John is a white man he does not get the attention Clinton or Obama gets. That is true. It is not racist to say that.

And that is why I can never support Obama. He has used race again and again to shut up those who attempt to question him. I am appalled at how divisive he is.

[tekisui]

1. He was facing the Clinton tag-team Good Cop/Bad Cop.

It wasn't sexist. When you have a former President and a Candidate coordinating their attacks, he had to fight back.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

9. that is sexist? In what universe?

Sexism is commonly considered to be discrimination and/or hatred towards people based on their sex rather than their individual merits, but can also refer to any and all systemic differentiations based on the sex of the individuals.

Sexism can refer to subtly different beliefs or attitudes:

* The belief that one gender or sex is inferior to or more valuable than the other;
* Female or male chauvinism
* The attitude of misogyny (hatred of females) or misandry (hatred of males); as well as
* The attitude of imposing a limited and/or false notion of masculinity on males and a limited and/or false notion of femininity on females, or vice versa.
* A feeling of distrust towards the opposite or same sex, most frequently operating at an unconscious level.


the above from wikipedia.

explain to those of us who are not clintonians how what Barack said is sexist.

[Evergreen Emerald]

10. I submit to you that it was sexist.

And that it is not the first time he has used sexist language. To suggest that Clinton needs her husband and cannot do it on her own is sexist. That the man is fighting her battles. Bill and Michelle and Elizabeth were all supporting their candidates.

It is as sexist and Ferraro's statment is racist.

[Hepburn]

17. Sooooooooo.....

...who forced Hillary to have Bill campaign for her? Obama? And what in the hell is sexist about saying someone's spouse is hitting the campaign trail for the spouse candidate?

You have really walked off the cliff on this one.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

19. He dint say or even suggest

That Hillary needed Bill he was acknowledging that Hillary, in January, was using Bill *allot*. He not only had to compete against a sitting senator but also a massively popular former president. Now if Bill was sitting on his duff doing nothing and Obama made this statement then you might have a point *maybe*.

[queenbdem87]

20. She clearly demonstrates that she cannot do it on her own.

She has used President Clinton at every step of they way to her advantage to to Obama's disadvantage. I don't know why anyone would expect otherwise, and I certainly don't know why the Hillary people are trying to deny it right now. Its utter obsurdity.

This is exactly the reason why I will never vote for Hillary, because she employs the same "grasping at straws" tactics that you have just done. Through no fault or action of Obama's, but rather because of the Clinton's themselves, I now no longer respect the clinton family.

[elixir]

54. As has Barack... Except I still respect Obama, you don't respect Hillary

because she's had her spouse campaigning for her....hmmm.

[Exilednight]

21. Not even close....

Hillary during her stump speeches uses language that both her and Bill were in charge. "When 'we' were in the White House", "It was up to 'us' to get it done".

Who is 'us' and 'we'? Are there two Hillary's?

[CTLawGuy]

30. and that is why they call her Billary

even broken clocks are right twice a day.

[Drachasor]

94. He did the opposite of that, he said they can both do it on their own

Which is where his confusion stemmed from, since he had to fight both of them. It would have been sexist if he said he was running against just Bill Clinton.

[Drachasor]

96. It would have been sexist if he said he was just running against Bill Clinton

What he said was decidedly not sexist.

[anigbrowl]

103. You assert it, but you have no evidence to back it up

(like examples of similar comments that are widely agreed to be sexist, or where they badly hindered a female candidate's chances or suchlike).

I don't think you are posting this as flamebait, but I do think your opinion is o far off the beaten track that you won't find any support for it - certainly not while you are unable to advance any reasons.

It's like me saying 'I submit that Evergreen Emerald is a deeply sexist person'. See? Without evidence you can say just about anything. I've decided i don't like you so from now I'm classifying you as a sexist.

[krkaufman]

108. Obama wasn't decrying Hillary's spouse campaigning for her

He was making a joke about having to campaign against such a pair of political figures.

The comment was predicated on profile of Bill Clinton and the extra coverage that his presence, that of a former President, affords the Clinton campaign. How often did we see any news reports on Michelle Obama or Elizabeth Edwards speeches during the campaign? How often were their speeches covered live?

Just the other day, I watched as CNN bounced from a Hillary speech, to a Bill speech, to Barack, and back to Hillary. Two to one coverage.

[Alter Ego]

85. Exactly.

When you have Bill conflating himself and Hillary at campaign stops it becomes a legitimate question: who is running for President?

[MadHound]

2. More grasping at straws by Hillary supporters

Given how intertwined Bill and Hillary are, and how they've deliberately played this ploy, I think that the statement is valid. Hillary claims much success from Bill's term in the WH, thus weaving Bill's record with her own.

[OhioBlue]

3. nice try - but NOPE

that one isn't going to fly. it wasn't sexist at all. Bill is the ex Pres and he is stumping full time for Hillary - there isn't an ounce of sexism in that statement.

[Owl]

63. Exactly.

[peace13]

4. For Hilary supporters there is always a reason not to support Obama.

When Bill was stumping for Hillary in Nevada you have to admit that he crossed the line. I think it is Bill who is uncertain of who is running.

[MaineDem]

Good lord, what's sexist about that?

Absolutely nothing.

Grasping at straws much?

[Evergreen Emerald]

14. You certainly can twist it into being sexist

just like you can twist what Ferraro said into being racist.

[JVS]

22. You can put nails in a turd easier than in wood, that doesn't mean it makes a suitable bridge.

Congratulations. You've made a bridge of turds.

[Yurovsky]

34. I thought that "bridge to the 21st Century" was kinda stinky...

thanks for clearing that up!

This thread further demonstrates the degree to which HRC & her supporters have lost touch with reality.

[MaineDem]

27. No, I don't think I can

The two statements are not even close to being comparable.

Sorry, your logic isn't obvious in this thread. Truly, I think you're grasping at those straws on this one.

[queenbdem87]

29. What ferraro said about Obama was obviously racially charged

It was racially defined. Saying Bill Clinton is a little to active in his wife's campaign and saying Obama is only successful because he is black are clearly not the same thing. One is clearly more divisive than the other, and it was what Ferraro said, not Obama, that takes the cake.

[Evergreen Emerald]

39. Racially charged, gender charged. Does not make if off limits

If we are not allowed to talk about issues or facts without being told to "shut up" then I say we have not come very far.

It is evident, as Elizabeth Edwards said, that the reason Obama and Clinton get the attention and John does not is due to race and gender. That is a statment that is not racially charged and more than it is gender charged. It is fact.

To use it to shout "Racism!" is divisive and ugly and using race. That is what Obama is doing.

[Mooney]

86. Obama said nothing about HRC's gender at all.

In your original quote there's nothing even remotely gender-oriented. I can't even imagine how you extrapolated that from his quote.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

31. Ferraro turned the whole Obama campaign into

an equal opportunity hire *and its not the first time she has done it*...

Her statements in 1988 and her utter refusal to back away from what she said instead playing the victim is more evidence that this is how she really feels. Ferraro is a closet racist, and I suspect she is the worst kind in that she thinks that African Americans need her to get anywhere and should be damn happy she has let them in from the plantation to the DNC house..

Where is the gratitude I tell ya' /sarc

What Ferraro said is one thousand times worse than Power and look at the fit Hilbots had over that..

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. I refuse to talk to you becasue of your name calling

you want to have a discussion about gender and race, I will. But not when you call me names.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

50. Other than calling Ferraro a racist

Which certainly has some basis in reality who did I insult?

If you find the term Hillbot offensive I apologize its tounge and cheek dry humor, perhaps inappropriate, I apologize..

[Evergreen Emerald]

59. thanks. I appreciate that.

:)

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

77. So, questions:

what was your reaction to powers?

were Hillary the only woman in the race and if rush were to call her the equal opportunity hire how would you take that

Given Ferraro's history of saying this about African Americans in presidential races can you deny that were is a conservative you would be bat $#!7 crazy mad?

[theboss]

5. That was said when Bill was on tv everyday

1. That was when Bill made the Jesse comment and
2. When Bill said that Hillary was going to win Florida and
3. When Bill gave a tv address longer than either Hillary's or Obama's.

For a large part of January, Bill was running for president.

[Botany]

6. Does it get dark in your world @ night?

Is snow cold?

Is water wet?

Do you get your talking points from team Clinton or from Hillary
is 44 .com?

[eShirl]

7. What do you think is sexist about it?

Please explain.

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. ok

He is suggesting that Clinton needs her husband to run and that on her own she could not do it. He is suggesting that when Bill supports her husband HE calls the shots and fights the battles and the little woman needs his help.

Bill did nothing more than any of the spouses did.



Or at least: that is a way to read what someone says as sexist...which is what the Obama camp is doing with Ferraro's statment. Anything can be twist and distorted. But for some reason when Obama says something that could certainly be taken as sexist--he gets a free pass (and he has said numerous things that were sexist: tea party, Clinton sometimes gets emotional).

Obama is using race to divide.

[eShirl]

28. huh.

I thought he was pointing out that she had an ex-President campaigning for her.
Interesting that Bill has eased up on that since then.

[Evergreen Emerald]

32. everyone eases up when called a racist.

That it the point. Obama is using race to divide. When questioned about anything he shouts "racism!" while spewing sexism.

He gets away with it.

[eShirl]

44. It's increasingly obvious the campaign trying to divide people by race and sex is HR Clinton's.

Then points the finger, "HE did it!"
It's very sad to me she and her remaining supporters are resorting to these kind of tactics.
I thought Democrats were better than that but I guess I was naive.

[Evergreen Emerald]

48. I disagree. It is increasingly obvious that Obama is using race to divide

and that any mention of race and he shouts "Racism!" while using sexism against Clinton.


I thought we had come farther in America. And I thought that dems were smarter than that.

[eShirl]

52. except he isn't the one that keeps bringing this crap up

[Evergreen Emerald]

57. Anytime someone mentions race he shouts "RACISM!"

He is the one bringing it up. What Ferraro said is the truth, and the same thing that Elizabeth Edwards said: Obama and Clinton are getting the attention because of race and gender. John is ignored cause he is a white men.

And yet, a storm is created--by the Obama camp. The media, favoring Obama, spin the story, the Obama supporters, who look for any reason to attack Clinton jump on the band wagon and we have a storm designed to divide, created by Obama.

[eShirl]

65. "He is the one bringing it up." Nope.

[americanstranger]

66. Wow. So you repeat Ferraro's racist statement

in a complaint about how Obama supposedly shouts racism (as far as I've heard, he hasn't shouted that once, but that's another point).

Nice setup. You guys get to complain about a (supposedly) objectionable tactic of the opposition while repeating the (verifiably) objectionable tactic of your own candidate.

Do you even notice that you're doing that?

- as

[Mooney]

88. Link?

When has Obama ever shouted "RACISM?" I have never seen one single solitary example of it, just like I have never seen a single solitary example of Obama's alleged sexism. The instances that get cited around here as articles of faith that he's sexist take mind-boggling stretches of the imagination to interpret that way.

At the New Hampshire debate, when Obama said "You're likable enough" I saw people here go absolutely apopleptic about the flagrant sexism in this statement. The only problem with that analysis is that it's complete and utter horseshit created from whole cloth.

[americanstranger]

60. Sex. Race. Sex. Race.

Make up your damn mind already.

- as

[eShirl]

69. You can't decide whether your own thread is about sexism or racism.

I think you are hopelessly wound up by your own accusatory rhetoric at this point.
Oh well, I tried.

[theboss]

35. Bill was on TV everyday. Bill was holding rallies. Bill was giving televised speeches.

Bill was fair game as he was more visible than Hillary for a while.

Bill had a bad January. He clearly saw this as his chance for a third term and was going off the rails. There's a reason his visibility dropped dramatically in February.

Hillary can't send her family with its high Q Rating out on the campaign trail and not expect them to be fair game.

Bill was a former president. Chelsea is now a rich 28-year-old.

They are no longer props. They are operatives.

[rucky]

89. I honestly don't know why Hillary is trying to separate herself from Bill.

I think the greatest trait of a possible Clinton presidency is the Bill and Hill one-two punch.

My wife and I work as a team. We're stronger that way. Plus, if Hillary contributed to policy under Bill's administration, why on earth wouldn't Bill do the same under a Hillary administration? Voters assume that, and that's one big reason why they support her. I would totally use that as a plus.

[Shakespeare]

97. WRONG.

Are you really that thick?

He was referring to Bill's campaign appearances, which Bill (as usual) made all about him, and not about Hillary. For awhile, it was as if Bill was campaigning more for himself than for Hillary, and THAT is what Obama was referring to.

[NDambi]

8. Go back to the trick bag this is one is broken!

[rox63]

11. There's nothing sexist about Obama's statement

He was being vigorously attacked with racially-loaded comments from Bill at the time.

[Evergreen Emerald]

26. No. "fairy tale" was not race loaded...more Obama shouting Racism!

twisting what was said.

[rox63]

42. It wasn't just the "fairly tale" comment

Hillary Clinton claims Bill's presidency as part of her "experience". Bill is obviously itching to get back in the WH. As an ex-president, he already had the press reporting his every move before Hillary's campaign. It gives him a much bigger megaphone than any other candidate surrogate out there.

[Evergreen Emerald]

45. That does not mean he should be called a racist and told to shut up.

Which is what Obama did. Obama is using race and gender. He gets to scare America with sexism and shout "Racism!" when anyone says the word Race or points out that indeed he is black.


I watched the press coverage amazed at the fear of people to even state a fact without being tagged a racist by Obama. I watched as people shook their heads in the politically correct world and stated that Ferraro suggested black men in America were lucky. They expounded and twisted and distorted what she said and then called her a racist. Obama is divisive.

[queenbdem87]

12. Because that is neither sexist nor divisive.

Both Bill and Hillary use Bill's presidency as a crutch for her credibility. They both bring it up as a source for her experience. And both have attacked Obama in the same ways. The statement itself is not inherently gendered.

I would say your injecting sexism into this otherwise pretty basic statement is sexist in and of itself.

I'm not saying the Obama people on this sight are saints, but the Hillary people come off as way more brainwashed, angry, and divisive than they do.

[Evergreen Emerald]

33. And I would suggest that inserting "Racism!" where there is none

is divisive and racist.

[Hepburn]

13. OMG........

....you have to be kidding! How in the hell is that sexist? Bill and Hillary have both been campaigning and at times, apparently before someone settled him down, it did appear from the way Bill was acting that it was Bill who was running for the office and not Hillary. Now that is just factual...and it has nothing to do with how anyone is plumbed because it was said about both of them and as far as I know one of them is male and one is female.

Use your head before you put your fingers on your keyboard, OK? You totally made a fool of yourself on this one, IMO.

:rofl:

[RunningFromCongress]

15. How is that sexist? Seriously...

[JVS]

16. That was a joke about Bill Clinton hogging the camera and behaving as though he were a candidate

[Evergreen Emerald]

37. Right...jokes about women running for office needing their

husbands to run with them, is not sexist anymore than it is racist to

Suggest, like Elizabeth Edwards and Ferraro did, that Obama and Clinton got the attention that John did not get was because of race and gender.

[JVS]

79. Where did he say that she needed him to be so active on her behalf?

If anything his statement indicates that he considers her capable of running on her own campaign and he finds Bill's meddling bothersome.

Now if he had said "Look at the little lady dragging out her husband to do all her political heavy lifting." you'd have a point. That would be sexist.

[madrchsod]

23. best joke of the day ....so far

i`m sure there will be better ones as the day drags on...

[CTLawGuy]

24. how is that sexist?

when your very famous spouse does a lot of hard campaigning, that would be a very understandable reaction.

[Demobrat]

25. For a while there I couldn't tell either.

The truth is he's not running against her, he's running against THEM. And there's nothing sexist about talking about it.

[eShirl]

47. Well even Bill got it confused once or twice

asking people to "vote for me," but it was probably force of habit.

[RoadRage]

36. WTF? Wow.. some Clinton supporters REALLY are delusional..

The guy is getting hit from both Bill & Hillary every single day - he makes one statement about the fact that he has 2 opponents (now 3 if you include McCain) and he's sexist?

Fact & Fiction really seems to blur when you're losing, eh?

[Evergreen Emerald]

43. The guy is not getting hit anymore than Clinton was

The point of my post is that Obama has used Gender repeatedly. Suggesting that Clinton held "tea parties" and was "emotional" and that she needs her husband to help her be President. He gets away with using sexism against Clinton.

[RoadRage]

82. show me a link..

where Obama ever uttered the words that Clinton was having "tea parties". The Media likes to say things that you like to shove in Obama's mouth.

But, one thing that Clinton clearly said was... Obama's not a muslim, as far as i know. Seriously.. if you want to talk about blatent slandering.. look at your own candidate for a couple of seconds.

[Umbram]

38. Desperate much? (nt)

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[saltpoint]

46. "My husband was the president. Vote for me."

Senator Clinton is her husband's wife, and her husband was in politics.

If she receives the benefit of that celebrity she also must address its perils. It's a bitter-with-the-sweet package.

She hasn't done very well on that count so far.

[NoBorders]

49. That is a major stretch

He was referring to the fact that he was essentially campaigning with two high-profile people, Bill Clinton being a former president. Nothing sexist about that.

[Evergreen Emerald]

51. I believe that suggesting that what Ferraro said was racist

is also a major stretch. And that, is my point.

Elizabeth Edwards said the same thing: that Obama and Clinton were getting attention because of race and gender and John was ignored. Just because race or gender is mentioned, does not make it racist or sexist.

But, Obama is using race to divide by shouting "Racism!" at every comment. And the masses nod in agreement and Olberman says, where there is smoke there is fire. BS. Obama is using race to divide.

[americanstranger]

53. With all due respect,

some of you Clinton peeps are starting to sound pretty crazy.

I don't recall Edwards saying that Obama wouldn't be the frontrunner if he wasn't black. Do you have a link for that statement?

And I really don't see where the statement you cite is sexist - and this is part of the problem people are beginning to have with Clinton supporters. You seem to be making up crazy shit to embellish a point, and most of the time I look at what you guys post and wonder what your point is.

- as

[Evergreen Emerald]

67. No crazier than what has been happening to Ferraro the past few days

I watched while people suggested that Ferraro said black men in America have had it so good and been lucky, twisting and distorting her statment to the point that it is insane...

And yet, Obama can say that Clinton had tea parites and she gets emotional and suggest that she needs her husband to help her be president, with no consequences. There is a double standard here.

Ferraro stated a fact. And it was not racist. And yet Obama uses it to divide America and to ruin Ferraro who has been fighting for civil rights for decades. He is dividing the party, destroying careers to win. YOu cannot get more ugly than that.

[Umbram]

74. Lemme ask you.

Are you one of the people here that is actually so engulfed in their own bias that you believe what you are saying, or are you just in it for the sport?

[Evergreen Emerald]

105. there you go

accusing me of "bias." No. I am not racist. I know it is politically correct in this climate to suggest that anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist, but you are way off.

[americanstranger]

75. You're tenacious, I'll give you that.

I watched while people suggested that Ferraro said black men in America have had it so good and been lucky, twisting and distorting her statment to the point that it is insane...

Look, you might feel that what Ferraro said wasn't racist, but there are plenty of people, both here and out in the real world, who flat-out disagree with you. I'm one of them, and I won't hesitate to say so.

It is dog-whistle politics at its worst - code words spoken specifically to get a rise out of people who share the same abhorrent views about blacks. You can argue all day long that it's not (and you probably will), but it is subtle, insidious racism, period.

And yet, Obama can say that Clinton had tea parites and she gets emotional and suggest that she needs her husband to help her be president, with no consequences. There is a double standard here.

I just Googled 'Obama tea' and found the quote. Here it is:

'"It's that experience, that understanding, not just of what world leaders I went and talked to in the ambassadors house I had tea with, but understanding the lives of the people like my grandmother who lives in a tiny hut in Africa," Obama, D-Ill., told a crowd of would-be voters in Coralville, Iowa, on Friday.'

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/12/obamas-cup-of-t.html

Talk about distortion. Could you please tell me how that quote in any way equates with Clinton having tea parties? It simply does not make sense. You should be careful with the complaints about distorting statements if you're doing exactly the same thing you accuse others of doing.

And Bill Clinton inserted himself into this campaign, to the point where he was attacking Obama more than Hillary, so Obama's statement is a valid one. Funny how after he got called on it, he toned down the attacks quite a bit. that would indicate that Obama was on the money, wouldn't it?

Ferraro stated a fact. And it was not racist. And yet Obama uses it to divide America and to ruin Ferraro who has been fighting for civil rights for decades. He is dividing the party, destroying careers to win. YOu cannot get more ugly than that.

Oh, please. Ferraro ruined herself. Obama did not force her to say what she said. She's a grown woman and an accomplished attorney, for Christ's sake. To imply that somehow she's not responsible for her own words - that she is a victim for spouting rhetoric that would be unacceptable no matter who said it - is enabling, making excuses for a person who made a big mistake and is rightly getting raked for it. The fact that you're a woman does not give you the right to make divisive racial statements and then claim to be a victim after you're correctly called a bigot.

Please. Think about what you're saying here. You're so intent on proving that one side is being nasty that you're completely giving your side a pass for their nastiness. It does not wash.

- as

[rodeodance]

55. and BO fans here on DU are tossing out the race-card like candy. Shameful

[NDambi]

64. sometimes its real too..I live the shit everyday

[rodeodance]

71. of course it is real--in many instances--yet to toss it out as it is done here is wrong.

[NDambi]

73. Gerry opened up this can of worms..no one but her...look at her history..as for it being done here..

maybe some use it to often, but it's not tossed out around here like candy. That I don't agree with..but your mileage may vary.

[rodeodance]

87. then you are sleeping or purposefully do not want to see it.

[NDambi]

91. No you don't want to see...she is what she is..and her mouth proves over and over..its not new

[ncazalea]

56. Racism

Why is the racism accusation always placed on the Clinton
Campaign? It does not benefit them.

Where was the media when Michele Obama twisted Bill Clinton's
words playing the racism card(fairytale comments)? 

Where was the media when she said that if you are black and
you do not vote for the black man you do not get it?

Why is the media not reporting on all the pressure being
placed on African Americans to vote for Obama(even
superdelegates)?

Why does the Obama campaign call reporters together to cry
race. It only benefits Obama. Why does the media assume they
are correct and report with no research? 

Many times the political strategy is to project onto your
opposition what you are doing so that they take the blame. Is
that what is happening here? Why would the media propagate it?

The questions need to be asked. The answers will help us
understand who benefits and why? 

[Evergreen Emerald]

68. good post

[Ordr]

58. By the end of this fucking campaign, real claims of racism and sexism will be thrown to the side.

These words are getting thrown around here almost as much as "fascist".

[gabeana]

61. Is saying I'm your Girl sexist?

Saying vote for me because I am a woman is that sexist?
Because I don't like condi rice am I sexist?

[elixir]

62. I tend to agree w/ your point but not to the degree you do. I believe that Obama's

campaign has insulated themselves from certain fire by jumping on a questionable language that in any campaign would be ignored. Certain comments, in and of themselves, are not incindiary but framed and presented as "racist" or "sexist" they take on a new life. For example, Bill Clinton's remark in SC where he drew a comparison between Obama's win and that of Jesse Jackson at first blush didn't hit me as racist because I didn't see it that way. I just thought it was a comparison. But when it was framed as a racist comment I realized that it certainly had that capacity.

I always found Obama's comment "you're likeable enough, Hillary" very disturbing and I'm still not certain if it's because it appeared condescending or sexist..or both.

[Evergreen Emerald]

70. Very well said

And that is my point. Obama is using race to divide. And it pains me to see him destroying reputations like Ferraro's who has been a steadfast fighter of civil rights. He will stop at nothing.

[AldebTX]

72. Why?

Why instead of denouncing what Ferraro said and moving on do we look for something that Obama or his campaign said that is just as bad?

What is wrong is wrong....no matter who said it.

It is a pretty thin reach to say it is sexist to acknowledge that Bill and Hillary were campaigning as a team when both were campaigning and making speeches citing Hillary's strengths over Obama.

Hillary herself sites the team work between Bill and herself when he was president as part of her experience qualifying her as Commander in Chief from Day One. Is that sexist too? Maybe Hillary is being sexist for citing her experience as first lady......

[Skwmom]

76. This is NOT sexist. It is the truth.

[Occam Bandage]

78. You're right. It was totally sexist of Bill Clinton to take over his wife's campaigning duties.

[JVS]

80. Bingo! And patronizing of him too!

[Occam Bandage]

81. Right. What, did he not think Hillary was capable of handling Obama by herself?

[JVS]

83. If one of my coworkers' SOs came to the office and started doing the work , he'd be in deep shit!

But there is another apect to this. It's the nepotism of the Clinton family coming out. Generally former presidents are supposed to remain aloof from primaries (or even general elections) after their presidency. A former president, around whom the entire party has been unified for 8 years abuses that influence when wielding it against a fellow party member.

[Mooney]

84. How is "I can't tell who I am running against Bill or HIllary" sexist and divisive?

HRC takes credit for things that happened in her husband's administration all the time.

[BigAnth]

90. Wait a minute,,,,,

This was in reply to Hillary's comment of "I never said that" when asked about some of Bill's statements. So Bill can go out and campaign for Hillary, saying whatever he wants to, and if she is held accoutntable for what he's saying, then it is sexist???? Not in my book. Not even close.

What gets me is that Hillary's campaign has initiated all of the racially divisive rhetoric in this campaign and when Obama tries to respond in a reasonable manner he's accused of "playing the race card". Total bullshit.

Hillary Clinton will say anything, do anything, use anyone, attack anyone to win this nomination. She has no scruples. The sad thing is that she also has no chance of winning the nomination.

[Froward69]

92. I am not partial to ANY floral pattern...

this then is not simply my opinion, but a sexist statement???

same logic. double standard.

[RazBerryBeret]

93. and I counter...

"shame on you, Barack Obama, shame on you"

what a racist, hate filled statement.

what? oh, I thought this thread was where we pull quotes and randomly label them....

[LaurenG]

95. ??

Why is everything sexist with some people?

Why make up silly accusations?

[jgraz]

98. When Hillary finally folds her slime-covered tent and oozes into oblivion

There will be no such thing a sexism. She and her supporters have cheapened the charge so much that people will just laugh at legitimate charges of discrimination.

What a toxic human being she is.

[LulaMay]

99. The media is still male dominated, like everything in this world, and they want to keep it that way.

Obama gets the pass and praise because he's a man.

The 'liberal' media and party leaders don;t want a woman for president, face it.

It tears them apart with anger, and they have shown it.

Sexism is 'okay' because THEY RUN THE SHOW still.


They consider it 'natural', the natural order of things.

And are set out to prove it and keep their privileged place they've made for themselves in this world.

It is still acceptable to say the most offensive things because men as a group have still refused to give it up, they perpetuate it.

Women have little voice in it, fewer places to report on it, and there are token women who get jobs and kudos by going along with it, believing themselves to be better than other women, who they denounce as inferior to themselves in ability and intellect, and call women's protests 'whining'.



The media reactions are proof positive of how deeply embedded sexism is, and that it's at the root of this worlds problems.

The media have gone after Hillary with forks and knives, they can't contain their venom even when caught with their pants down. Party leaders remain silent, not even trying to use their positions to stop it.

Nope, they are club members too, as much as they like to tell us they're on our side, that they are the party for us.

Nope, the first thing we see is a pissed off Teddy Kennedy starting the whole thing off by coming out like the oldest king of kings in the Democratic party and practically telling us that Obama is THE choice, and we'd all just better get used to it...because it's destiny.....

and in case we flinch at that, it's CAMELOT, and don't we forget it, in the name of his brother, the father, son and holy ghost.


The Obama campaign has gladly accepted all of this, and as your post points out, Obama himself has spewed sexism at Hillary. He knows he'll get away with it, while working with the media to twist every short sighted or poorly made remark into racist attacks of the supposedly worst kind on him.

They have done this to Democrats who've fought against racism their whole lives, hurting the party.

They would sooner go down with the ship than see a woman president.



This has been ,is, a moment of truth for this party and liberal politics. It has been failing miserably. Many many women see it, feel it,

and are speaking with votes while being silenced in the forum.


If this sideshow is allowed to go unchecked, it will be the beginning of the end of the Democratic party.

Women are not going to keep doing as directed and be slapped in the face by a group of angry, punishing men who then feel they have the right to our votes and support.

[izzybeans]

100. Here this book will help in the future.

http://www.pearsonhighered.com/academic/product/0,3110,0321453271,00.html

[AtomicKitten]

101. That statement is neither sexist nor divisive. Obama is running against the Clinton two-fer.

[cottonseed]

102. It was anti-family.

Seems like he had a problem with the spouse (who happens to be a former president) taking jabs at him on behalf of his wife (who happens to be running for president). I see nothing wrong with Oligarchy.

[XemaSab]

104. I'm a woman and I call total bullshit

When you've got a former president sniping at you every day, in addition to trying to focus on the president's wife, your opponent, you've got to say or do something to try not to get attacked from two sides at once.

[Forkboy]

106. This shit just makes people turn a deaf ear to the real sexism.

There are plenty of real examples from both the left and right. Don't try passing this shit off as racist though to cover Ferraro's ass. It hurts the real victims of sexism, just like many of the inane charges of racism hurt the real victims of that.

What's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

[krkaufman]

107. How is that statement sexist or divisive?

How often do you see Michelle Obama speeches covered in the news or on cable "news" channels? Answer: Almost never.

Sen. Clinton is benefiting more than just a little from having a former President campaigning for her, and often he gets as much or more coverage than she does.

I call 'nonsense.'

[saltpoint]

109. "I'm a woman. Vote for me. And if you don't, you're a sexist pig."