Randi Rhodes: "75% chance Hillary will switch to Independent to Siphon Obama votes..."

[mythyc]

(I'm pretty sure I made that an exact quote, though a word or two may be off in the five minutes since I heard this in the car and sign on...)

Thought this would be an interesting topic for discussion. I had never considered the possiblity of this, and wouldn't agree with, at least as high a percentage. The Clintons are just such a party institution that I can't see this happening at least without a great amount of Sound and Fury (appended with the next line from MacBeth here--my own speculative sardonics there ;) )

[Olney Blue]

1. 0% chance

[movonne]

7. Why do you say that??? I sure hope you are right...

[Olney Blue]

21. It would be the ultimate betrayal to her Dem supporters and donors....

it would destroy her Senate career as a Dem if she loses presidential race.... it just doesn't make sense!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. Hope you're right.

[anonymeme]

65. Don't Forget, Jim Jeffords Helped Save This Country By Switching to Independent...

Don't Forget, Jim Jeffords Helped Save This Country At a Crucial Moment By Switching to Independent...

And it sure as Hell hasn't hurt Lieberman's support base -- even though I wasn't particularly happy that he did it.

[usrbs]

88. It would be a total betrayal and shame on Randi for suggesting it

[niceypoo]

91. Randy Rhodes has been sounding exactly like Ann Coulter the last few days

making rediculous, baseless accusations that she pulls out of her ass.

[surfermaw]

18. That will never happen, they will both be on the ticket

[Exilednight]

33. That won't happen either. A joint ticket is out the window after this primary.....

Obama said at the beginning of the primary season, reinforced by something I heard Michelle say, that Barack will not take a VP slot no matter who the nominee is. Most of it is family issues concerning their children's ages.

Hillary's ego will not allow her to take the VP slot.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

48. Hope you're wrong.

[Generic Brad]

66. I don't think I would inhale a joint ticket

:hippie:

[Exilednight]

27. Agreed, and here is why.....

Hillary will do anything to become President, but she won't leave the party directly after the primary season. If anything, I would give it a 50-50 chance, if Barack takes the nomination, that the DLC will break ties with DNC and create their own party for 2012.

There hope will be to take the center ground and take votes from both parties, with most coming from the Democrats.

[Metric System]

What a ridiculous statement. Obama supporters sure like to cast aspersions to make Hillary look bad.

[movonne]

10. The trouble is she gives us too much to work with...

[davidinalameda]

81. bravo!!!!

:woohoo:

[Blondiegrrl]

41. Hillary doesn't need our help to look bad.

That said, I disagree with Randi. I think it's unlikely Clinton would run as an independent. She'd surely lose her Senate seat and become a pariah. Pretty much the only nice thing I can say about Hillary Clinton is that she's not stupid.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. Beat me to it.

[anonymeme]

69. She Looks Pretty Damn Good to Me!

She Looks Pretty Damn Good to Me! But I wish she'd dump the guy who talked her into the 3:00 AM ad. I don't know why anyone thinks that helped in TX. TX was going to go for her anyway, and the commercial just brought up bad feelings and left a stink!

[UALRBSofL]

82. Yes but by the time she would lose her senate seat she would be 65

And I doubt she would care at that age. So, the thought of running as Randi said isn't out of the question IF DEAN cheats and gives the nomination to Obama.

[Rick Myers]

2. Randi might be eating Rush's party favors

[mythyc]

it did seem somewhat over the top, as a prediction on the one hand

and such a high likelihood on the other.... I had never even thought of it in any way so was quite surprised and wondered what you all would think...

[AX10]

3. Rhodes in unhinged.

I wouldn't trust what she says. She's like tweets, only on the radio, where we fortunately can't see her.

[krawhitham]

16. Thats right

Do not trues anybody that has anything bad to say about the monster

[Justyce]

17. Agree. I used to like her, but she's lost it. nt

[peacebird]

23. "fortunately can't see her"...? What's that about? Unlike Tweety, Randi is a nice looking person.

:wtf:

[AX10]

30. I find both of them to be quite ugly.

[peacebird]

46. Tweety is a way bit too obese but I think Rachel is a nice looking woman.

to each their own I suppose.

[AX10]

59. Not Rachel, I find Tweety and Randi to ugly as a horse's ass.

[Whisp]

62. I think Hillary is quite ugly too.

[Mooney]

4. Never going to happen.

Not in a million years.

[ruggerson]

5. 100% chance that Randi Rhodes is the most annoying voice on radio

[Abacus]

14. You mean now that

Limbaugh and Clinton supporters are BFF?

[ruggerson]

28. I've never liked Randi Rhodes. I can't listen to her voice for more than a minute.

and she has no clue how to format an interesting show.

[niceypoo]

92. Now that she makes Ann Coulter type accusations

[madaboutharry]

6. I don't believe that.

If she did that she would be finished. And she would lose her Senate seat and that would be the end of her political career. Sometimes Randi is off the wall.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Hillary won't switch

She's not THAT stupid. At least I hope not.

[dflprincess]

52. It's not a matter of stupidity

it's how blinded by ambition she may be.

[Metric System]

9. Oh, and this is the same Randi Rhodes who admitted to voting for Raygun.

[Johnny__Motown]

11. I doubt it, sorry. pure speculation and it sounds a bit out there

[Straight Shooter]

12. Randi "The Fonz" Rhodes. n/t

[mythyc]

24. funny

:rofl:

[Madam Mossfern]

79. Do you have an issue with New York accents?

What is wrong with some people here?
I grew up in Queens and I take exception to that remark.

[Straight Shooter]

80. Randi has jumped the shark. That's the reference.

:hi:

[MonkeyFunk]

13. She's become unhinged

It's never going to happen.

Hate makes people weird.

[housewolf]

15. I can't see her doing that

She'd lose all the support of the Dem Party political teams across the country if she did that. Not to mention how much support she would lose from loyal Dem voters.

[krawhitham]

19. I can

Not to win now, but to win in 2012

[totodeinhere]

20. No, if Hillary doesn't make it this time she will immediately...

start angling for 2012. But she won't run as an independent.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. For Hillary, the 2012 campaign has ALREADY started. . .

Which is why she's trying to inflict as much damage on Obama as possible before the GE.

[rufus dog]

77. Ding Ding Ding

You are absolutely correct. Hillary is a horrible despicable person that doesn't give a shit about anything but herself. Flame away, but over the past 60 days I lost what little respect I had for her.

[PatGund]

22. I can see that happening.....

Sen. Clinton's ego is much like Sen. Liberman's. And just like he told Democrats in his state to f**k off when he lost the primary there, I fully expect Sen. Clinton to either go independent or switch parties when she loses the nomination

[Lena inRI]

54. Agreed 100%. . . and Randi Rhodes is spot on.

Hillary's pro-Republican voting as a Senator has been the red flag.

Hillary's already half way there--being Independent--anyway as the DLC conservative that she has become.

And her supporters are, for the most part, the same type of conservative Democrat.

Just examine her PUBLIC VOTING RECORD.

Going Independent is just Plan B, since Plan A is winning the 2008 nomination, which she knows she can't accomplish.

As for Randi Rhodes, I believe she has MUCH research she is sitting on to make her suggest a Hillary's Independent Plan B, like Lieberman's.

Randi fired the first volley today. Wait and watch as she does before she fires again.

Randi does not take part in circular-firing spinmeistering. She knows her shit BEFORE making her prognostications.

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

[Metric System]

85. "Hillary's pro-Republican voting as a Senator has been the red flag." Her voting rating is very

similar to Obama's so is he pro-Republican? And isn't Obama the one who chastised Hillary for "demonizing" Rethugs and claimed that no party has a "monopoly on wisdom"?

[rodeodance]

25. If you had been listening the past month we have told you that. It is nothing new.

[mythyc]

40. I have been listening though not regularly

have heard her say that HRC was gunning for 2012, but not 2008 as a break from the party Independent.

[elixir]

26. Randi is wrong. Too bad for her.

[SoonerPride]

29. Clinton/Bloomberg ticket?

as independents?

[mtnsnake]

31. Rhodes & Olbermann are perfect examples of how Democrats kill themselves by eating their own

They can't make enough money bashing the people they SHOULD be bashing, so they start bashing their own people to boost their dismal ratings.

[emilyg]

72. Yep.

[madrchsod]

75. olbermann is a democrat?

[Bullet1987]

32. If she does that, the Clinton name within the Party will be

DESTROYED!! She could even be putting her Senate seat on the line too...but I don't think the percentage is as high as Randi thinks.

[Grown2Hate]

34. I LOVE Randi, but...

that comment seems just a TAD silly, with a TWIST of ridiculous. (And by tad, of course, I mean A LOT) But it brings up a funny question...

IF, in theory, Hillary did this (and I think there is about a 0% chance, myself), would that automatically switch her Senate seat to independent? Or are the two independent (for lack of another, or better, word) of each other?

[Nedsdag]

35. I wasn't a fan of Randi Rhodes; however, I think she's right on the mark.

If she cannot have the nomination, she'll dirty Obama up so bad that by the time the General Election comes around, McCain will win and she'll be back for 2012.

It's a stupid strategy, but I believe that's what they want.

[mod mom]

36. Rachel Maddow had said that Hillary was running as if she was hoping to be McCain's VP.

Due to his age-he would only be a one termer. I wouldn't put it past her. She acts like she is entitled to the presidency.

[Rockholm]

37. Dumb Ass Statement.

[UALRBSofL]

38. Well, I can see her doing that if she is cheated by Howard Dean

of counting florida and Michigan knowing everyone in these states want our votes counted.

[stillcool]

56. How's that going?

I read a while back that if there was a re-vote the Democratic Minority Leader would sue. Now they all seem to be clamoring for a re-vote. I get so confused. Are they planning on working within the Democratic National Party rules this time? Is it all for show?

[UALRBSofL]

83. I'm beginning to think there isn't going to be a revote.

Lot of things have happened this week, to much to go into.

[DearAbby]

39. I had heard it too....I don't believe Clinton would consider it

it would absolutely kill any chance she has even 2012.

[Benhurst]

42. What's Randi smoking? It must be pretty strong stuff.

:rofl:

[anigbrowl]

43. Sounds wildly unlikely to me

I don't think that anything you hear from a talk radio host can be taken very seriously. Their whole job description requires them to say outrageous stuff to keep listeners tuned in for hours on end.

[OmahaBlueDog]

44. Randi, Ed Schultz, Boortz, Beck, & Limbaugh.....

.... are in the entertainment business.

I'm not saying Randi doesn't make great points, but her job is not to speak truth to power: her job is to sell stuff to you. How does she do this? By saying things like this so you'll get worked up, listen, tell your friends to get worked up and listen, and buy gold, or use Binder & Binder, or whatever else she's shilling for this week.

[sueragingroz]

47. K Randi has lost it

a 2012 scorched earth policy I might believe... but not an independant run.

That's just stupid.

Randi should to back to driving trucks.

[anonymeme]

49. The Idea Hit Me About the Time Obama Did His 11 State Streak, Even Called Hillary HQ to Suggest It!

The Idea Hit Me About the Time Obama Did His 11 State Streak, Even Called Hillary HQ to Suggest It!

I intend to vote for Hillary even if I have to write her in, so I can feel good about my vote.

That I am voting for the candidate I believe in.

My sister and 4 daughters will do the same.

I'm a Dem to the end, but that doesn't stop me from having a brain, and Barack Obama is the end of this country as we know it, imo.

Bush has destroyed so much of this country and Obama will drop on the last handful of dirt...

I asked my sister if she thought Hillary would go for it, the Independent thing...

And she said, No. Hillary is such a soldier and will stay a soldier to the democratic Party to the end.

So I called HQ back and told them to let her know she didn't have to be a soldier.

[usrbs]

90. Calm down

Obama at worst will lose to McCain or be an ineffectual, disappointing President. He's a Democrat and I'll vote for him without hesitation (although with much foreboding) if he gets the nomination.

[Uben]

50. Does any one political party own you?

Definitely not me. I've been a voting democrat for 35 yrs. I vote that way because I believe they more closely represent the way I feel than others do. When that opinion changes to another party, I will go there. No if, ands, or buts.

Hillary used to be a republican, but she has been a loyal democrat for many years now. I can only assume she feels the same as I do and many of you, also. I am a fiscal conservative and social liberal, except I am hard on crime, pro-death penalty.

I don't think her political ideology has changed enough to make her consider changing parties.....yet. I am really looking forward to seeing what the democrats can do with a president who is agreeable and intelligent, as opposed to...........well, you know.

I am holding them to a high standard. I expect them to produce.

If they fail, and I feel betrayed by their actions, I'm a free agent, baby!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

51. That's insane. If she believes that, she's a moron. If she doesn't, it's worse.

[stillcool]

53. The Clinton's have been

throwing Democrats under the bus, left and right. Why not throw the whole party under the bus? Whatever it takes.

[anonymeme]

58. The Hell You Say, sc47! It's Obama & His Supporters Throwing the Rest of Us Dems Under the Bus! N/T

NT

[stillcool]

70. Oh you mean like Kerry, Kennedy...

Bill Bradley, and anyone, anyone else who dares to support Obama?

[anonymeme]

71. No. That's Not What I Mean. I Mean the Democratic Voters For Hillary, Non-Obama Electorate...

No. That's Not What I Mean. I Mean the Democratic Voters For Hillary, Non-Obama Electorate...

That's okay, I'm sure it's a concept beyond your ken.

[ecstatic]

55. Hillary/Nader 08? or Hillary / Buchanan? nt

[Major Hogwash]

64. Hillary/Lieberman ticket, most likely.

They both hate the Democratic party, after all.

[L0oniX]

61. Hillarat will be in good company with Lieberat.

[kwenu]

63. Can't say I wouldn't put it past her.

[workinclasszero]

67. Wouldn't surprise me a bit

Hillary already sold out the dem party multiple times as it is.

See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related

[quakerboy]

68. I didnt hear that one

Ive considered the idea. I dont think so some how. It would be a lose lose proposition. I dont care what she does, the Pubs are not going to welcome her into the fold. And that would be a huge betrayal on the dem side of things. She might maintain a small base of support, but I think that most dems would drop her like a hot potatoe.

So.. she might pull enough support to ruin Obama's run, but probably not enough to defeat Ron Paul. And it would kill any future chance she might have for higher office. She is not a lieberman, in that the pubs arent going to back her up if she loses the dems.

[MannyGoldstein]

73. Six Months Ago, Who Here On DU Would Have Thought That...

the Clintons would launch into race-baiting? These people are capable of anything at all.

[madrchsod]

76. smacked me upside the head

but then i realized why they are doing it....i almost feel sorry for them but then they really deserve everything that gets thrown at them..

[anonymeme]

84. 6 Mos Ago Who'd Have Thought Obama Supporters Would Scream Racist At Anyone Who Supports Hillary C?

6 Mos Ago Who'd Have Thought Obama Supporters Would Scream Racist At Anyone Who Supports Hillary C?

Obamaniacs... what a bunch of lying, conniving hypocrites!

[MannyGoldstein]

86. Example Please?

When has anyone called a Clinton supporter 'racist' simply for supporting Clinton?

Please show an example.

[madrchsod]

74. randi`s being really silly.....

[Cha]

78. Oh yeah, and if she does she can

resign her senate seat so we can vote in a real Dem.

[usrbs]

87. Another minute, another slime

[Medusa]

89. I don't exactly consider Randi to be a good or necessarily reliable source

but given Hillary's sheer desperation to be elected, nothing would shock me.

[NoPasaran]

93. This reminds me why I really haven't missed Air America in Austin

This reminds me why I really haven't missed Air America in Austin being replaced by Tejano music. If I want something insanely stupid I can always find it on DU. I don't need to listen to it in my car.

[HooptieWagon]

94. I definately see it.

She will do anything to be president, and to prevent Obama from being Pres. I completely see her going third party in the GE. She has the money - been collecting donations for the GE in addition to primary since the beginning.

[depakid]

95. If Randy actually said that -I've lost a bit of respect for her

While she may rant, at least she tries to stay factually based.

[itcfish]

96. Good I Hope She Does

I resent the fact that the media and the republicans are choosing our nominee.

[MaineDem]

97. Well that's pretty ridiculous

So the liberal talk show hosts spout the same - but different - crap that the right wings ones do, I see.