When Nancy Pelosi, of all people, is displeased with Clinton...

[mudesi]

I think it's time for Clinton to face the music. She cannot catch up to Obama and she is only harming the Democrats' chances of beating McCain by not conceding. Even Nancy Pelosi expressed this in not so many words, in a most probably unintentional moment of candor.

I think Hillary Clinton is getting enormous pressure from party insiders. I, personally, am more disgusted with her every single day she allows this farce continue. She was arrogant and didn't have a plan for losing super Tuesday, and now she has for the last month and a half been desperately trying to get any kind of mud to stick to Obama, and has failed at it.

Enough is enough. Even Pelosi wants her out. And I'm no fan of Pelosi, given her dismal record thus far.

[Cali_Democrat]

1. Clinton needs to pack it up. n/t.

[global1]

6. Hillabee.......nt

[DemVet]

2. Nancy can sit and spin, if you know what I mean.

She's probably gonna be shitcanned as Speaker of the House anyway.

[mathewsleep]

41. that's pretty sexist.

[Metric System]

3. Who's to say Pelosi doesn't have an axe to grind? I doubt she and Hillary have ever been friends.

[DURHAM D]

5. Its all about keeping the power base.

I don't know why Nancy wants to keep her power - she doesn't use it for anything constructive. Ain't it amazing - wades in on issues she should shut up about and shuts up about issues she should wade in on. Guess she hoping for the number 2 spot on the Obama ticket.

[Metric System]

8. At a time when there is so much tension why does she decide to add to it? Why not act as peacemaker?

I guess that's off the table.

[mudesi]

15. If you watch the video, it looks unintentional

She trips over her words somewhat and pauses for a second before realizing that her foot is already far too much in her mouth to say "no comment".

[femmedem]

19. I think that was because she said administration instead of campaign,

And also because she was being careful not to let her anger say anything personally insulting or inappropriate.

But I don't think the gist of the comment was unintentional at all. In fact, at the end of the video she goes back to the reporter to make sure there's nothing ambiguous about the statement.

[mudesi]

27. I think "administration" proves it was a lapse

She was having a "brain fart", and I think the going back to make sure there was no ambiguity was her way of saving face.

[tishaLA]

54. to me, it looks purposful

the ending, when she says, "I didn't want to leave you with any ambiguity" says it all to me. She wanted to say it and she wanted its clarity to be heard.

[ExtraGriz]

29. pelosi has done shit as senate leader n/t

[JanusAscending]

40. Get a CLUE !!

She is the House Leader !! Why is it that some Clinton supporters are the least informed??? I wonder........

[bvar22]

64. "pelosi has done shit as senate leader"

That's because she is NOT a Senator.
She is Speaker of the House (as in House of Represenatives).

[midnight armadillo]

62. uhhh....

...maybe she said it because Clinton's endorsing McCain over Obama is inexcusable for a serious Democratic presidential candidate? Because shit like that will ruin the party's chances in November? Because Clinton is apparently pursuing a strategy by which once she loses the nomination she leaves Obama so crippled by her dirty campaigning that she can run against McCain in 2012?

Go Pelosi!

[OzarkDem]

11. Spot on analysis

"Pelosi always wades in on issues she should shut up about and shuts up about issues she should wade in on."

That's our Nancy. Always there to lend Bush a helping hand.

[bvar22]

66. Pelosi did vote NO on the Authorization to use Force in Iraq.

How did Hillary vote on the IWR?
Did she give the old "helping hand" to Bush to get his WAR on?

The answer is YES!.
Hillary, not Pelosi, helped Bush kill over 1 Million Iraqis and 4000 Americans.

[Barack_America]

12. It's about EXPANDING the power base...

Which Nancy believes Obama can accomplish and Hillary cannot.

Thus, her position. It's really quite simple.

Personally, I believe the Dems have been purposely laying low since 2006 to keep Iraq and the economy firmly pinned on the Republicans. They didn't want to take ownership of those issues until after the Presidential election.

It was a risky strategy that looks like it's paying off.

[DURHAM D]

18. Here is the part you are missing -

Liberal Democrats who have been around for a long awhile supporting the party will be leaving the party. They are the ones who have contributed monies to Dem candidates and the DNC for years and years and years - and done the party work during off-season for years and years and years.

Do they honestly think the the Independents and unaffiliated (and Republican) Obama supporters are going to start supporting the Democratic Party? Not only No - but Hell No. By definition Independents and others actually hate parties and hate party politics.

If I recall Nancy indicated early on that she thought an Obama ticket would increase the number of Dems in the House. If she honestly thinks this will happen in red states she is juiced up on Red Bull. She already has the numbers in the House and had done nothing with it. She is just trying to get everyone to - "look over there".

[LisaM]

20. The Texas numbers support what you say

In some Texas precincts, up to 30% of Obama supporters didn't vote for any downticket candidates. His coattails will be thin.

[Barack_America]

28. Or, possibly.

Those were Republicans voting against Hillary. Remember, that is "some precincts" and a percentage at that. Those could've represented precincts in heavily red counties in which Obama got only 10 votes, with 3 of those votes being Republicans trying to make a statement against Hillary.

Most likely though, they were first-time primary voters, who weren't informed of races outside of the presidential race. That's the downside of the nomination race dragging on and getting so much attention, it completely overshadows the other races on the ballot. And the candidates are so focused on each other that they don't really have time to lend a hand downticket.

[LisaM]

37. Or, it's the voters' fault for not educating themselves about other races

If Obama does get the nomination, I don't see him bringing a lot of Democrats with him. Maybe a few, but I think that the odds are good the Democrats will pick up seats anyway.

If my experience in Washington state at the caucus means anything, these are people who are just interested in the one vote. In our precinct, there were a lot of resolutions, and the people were so impatient that we only got through four of them. They came for the big lovefest, but were bored with the nuts and bolts of a precinct platform. They actually booed it. Are these the kind of voters we want deciding things?

[Barack_America]

48. Unfortunately, like it or not, those ARE the voters that decide things.

Most voters, if they bother to vote at all, don't fully inform themselves.

[LisaM]

49. Yes, and it's sad. They say they want "change" but won't do the hard work

involved in bringing change about.

But I think that does mean that Obama's coattails won't be strong. At my caucus, it was the older, informed, party regulars who were there voting for Hillary (and whom, I'm sure, helped on the platform that was so derided). They were treated very poorly. But I'm sure they'll be there at the next local Democratic meeting, still plugging away.

One of my friends was a precinct captain. She said she told the Obama supporters that at the next level of caucus, their job was to caucus for ALL Democrats, not just Obama, which, she said, surprised some of them - to find out that they had made a committment to the party itself by being a delegate, not just to a person. This will be true at the national convention, too. There is a LOT of work to do on a party platform. It's not just yay! hope! change! belive!

[Barack_America]

50. You're talking primaries and I'm talking general election.

Those sweet little old informed voters aren't representative of anyone in the general election.

And they do want change, they just don't know how hard the work is yet. They've been so disallusioned with politics that they've removed themselves completely. That we'll have to work is a big part of Obama's stump speeches. Step one is getting them to vote at all. Step two is getting them to vote for any Democrat. Step three is getting them to support the Democratic platform and support ALL Democrats.

Obama CAN have tremendous coattails, but a lot of that also depends on how much work us more seasoned Democrats are willing to do to get them on board. If we do that (and do it effectively) we can erase Republican influence as we know it.

[LisaM]

53. Let me just say I wasn't very impressed (and it was a caucus).

These people couldn't even listen to fifteen minutes worth of resolutions? How does that bode well for the GE? They'll go in, vote for Prez, and go out. They just WEREN'T INTERESTED.

I could have asked them: Hope - for what? change - to what? and I bet you nine out of ten wouldn't have had an answer.

[Barack_America]

55. If it makes you feel any better, that's not what I'm seeing around here...

(in Philly). I'm seeing a lot of young people who really, really know their stuff. It's impressive. Is everyone going to get it? No. But I've been impressed with how informed people are.

[LisaM]

56. Glad to hear it.

Because it seemed like short attention span theatre to me.

[Barack_America]

57. I actually went into an inner city high school yesterday to talk to students...

...about the election.

These kids had opinions on the issues, understood the parties, knew the candidates, hell, some of them even knew the date of the primary (and it is 6 weeks away and they were too young to vote!)

[LisaM]

58. Maybe Pennsylvania has good public schools!

which would be nice to know.

[Straight Shooter]

39. Pelosi is the most powerful woman, politically speaking, in America.

If Hillary becomes POTUS, bye-bye to that. She becomes second most powerful.

Pelosi also wants Obama as POTUS because Rahm Emanuel then runs for Obama's Senate Seat. He'll be a shoo-in, because Axelrod will run his campaign, since Emanuel and Axelrod are very good friends. Pelosi despises Emanuel for usurping her power by pushing Steny Hoyer as Majority Leader when Pelosi backed Murtha. Emanuel made Pelosi look very, very little in that battle when his choice defeated her choice. Those two share a deep antipathy toward one another.

Pelosi wants a twofer: remain most powerful woman; get rid of Emanuel.

[DURHAM D]

44. Yep - think you nailed.

Getting rid of Emanuel and keeping her squandered power.

[Mags]

46. Now I understand. Thanks, I have lost all respect for her.

She's done nothing for our Party since she became the Speaker. Biggest disappointment yet.

[Straight Shooter]

59. I won't defend her to detractors, either. She roared in like a lion and now she's a lamb.

Major disappointment. The Democratic party deserves better.

[Araxen]

4. The Hillary Supporters don't care

All they care about is that she still out their campaigning. They don't care that she is trying to bring Obama down for another run in 2012. It's the sad truth. Any sane Democrat sees through the BS especially after her practically endorsing McCain.

[writes3000]

7. Clinton is sabotaging the Dem chances in the fall with this stuff.

I'm not calling for her to drop out but she must drop out if she's going to continue to support the Republican candidate over her Democratic opponent.

It's mindboggling to think that Clinton believes the Dem party will sit by silently while she does this.

[kstewart33]

Nancy's clearly ticked.

More power to her.

[movonne]

22. I think Nancy has been bullied into a lot of her decisions...she wanted

Murtha (anti-war) as house majority speaker and the war part of our party the DLC got hoyer in..that is when I saw a change in nancy...

[OzarkDem]

9. Pelosi's displeasure with Clinton is a plus

If Clinton is making her upset, then that's a compliment to Clinton.

Pelosi is and has been worthless as a leader in the House.

[2rth2pwr]

25. Bingo. nt

[catgirl]

10. I doubt many dem leaders are pleased

Only the dems working for Hillary are eager for a Hillary nomination.

[OzarkDem]

13. And much of our current Dem leadership

isn't worth a bucket of warm spit. As we have seen since they won the majority in Congress.

[catgirl]

45. Except of course the dem leaders supporting Hillary

you know, the tactful ones. LOL.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. No kidding.

I think that's the biggest news today outside of Mississippi.

[femmedem]

24. Maybe bigger.

Because Clinton needs the supers to win, and I think Pelosi just gave a pretty clear message to the supers.

My state rep, a cautious freshman Dem, is still an uncommitted super. And I know he, for one, will not go against Pelosi on this.

[xultar]

16. Agreed!!!!

[Beacool]

17. Wow, Nancy...........

wish you had so much balls when dealing with the Republicans and not with a fellow Democrat.

This will be played out until the end, whether Nancy, the other hypocrites in Congress or the Obama supporters like it or not.

Puerto Rico here we come, nos vemos en junio!!!!!

[mudesi]

21. IRONY ALERT!

How has Clinton been dealing with a "fellow Democrat" in regards to her multiple proclamations that McCain is better qualified as commander in chief than Obama?

[KAZ]

26. ZING!

[Beacool]

31. She never said that he was better, nor did she endorse him.

She simply stated the fact that McCain has a lifetime of experience in that area. As a pilot, POW and big advocate for vets, it is more than obvious that she's right. On the other hand, what experience does Obama have that supersedes McCain's when it comes to the military? Please don't mention that he opposed the IWR in 2002 because that's been played out.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. Nobody's falling for that spin.

Except for suckers and other assorted chumps.

[Beacool]

35. That's the lack of respect that makes some of us want to vote for anyone but Obama!!

:eyes:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. Now you're whining about respect?

:rofl:

[99th_Monkey]

23. What I want to know is WHERE is Al Gore, John Edwards, Jimmy Carter, John Kerry, Richardson, et.al?

Were these figures to all simultaneously hold a joint press conference, they could lay it on the line,
and shame the Clintons to slink off into the night where they belong, since they've openly disgraced
themselves to force it to come to this.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. That should tell you something. Time for Hillary to concede it's over.

[juajen]

33. Wow, so, now that she has said something negative about

Hillary, she is Gold, when a large amount of people on this board, have said she was barely copper.

BTW, I agree with what Hillary said and believe it is obviously true. Of course, McCain has more experience than Obama, maybe even more than Hillary certainly in terms of U.S. Senate experience. That doesn't mean he is competent to serve as President.

I believe he might suffer from PTSD, and he is certainly aged and could be a disaster in the White House. Hillary shouldn't be criticized for saying something that is obviously true. It would have been better had Obama come out with why he would be better than McCain. I guess he is waiting to shoot that gun.

[MagsDem]

34. She's not anymore pleased with Obama

... and she has been quite clear on that point. Stop lying.

[scheming daemons]

38. Read her quote today.... CLEARLY she is more pleased with Obama...

She knows that Obama has bigger coattails and can give her a bigger majority in the House to work with.

[Strawman]

42. Hillary must have missed her cue...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

[DeadElephant_ORG]

43. will HRC supporters acknowledge that Pelosi took Hillary's comments as supporting McCain over Obama?

No more of this "But all she said was..." BS. We all know what Hillary said.

[DURHAM D]

47. No - I think she was poorly served by her staff.

They gave her their version of the truth - not the facts.

Nancy screwed up when she should have shut up.

[Johnny__Motown]

51. Well, I tend to disagree with Pelosi but this is an exception to that rule

good for her

[amborin]

52. CA dems want Pelosi out, she caves to Rethugs daily

[jazzjunkysue]

60. Pelosi makes it obvious HRC is done. Otherwise, she'd never have said this on air.

HRC's making no sense, but remember that Pelosi wouldn't have said that if she thought HRC had a chance to grab the white house.

I think that was the clearest indication of what's ahead that I've seen. There will be no last minute Gwenevere rescue for HRC. She either gets off the woodpile, or she goes up in flames.

[LulaMay]

61. She has never been a noted ally of Hillary. She supported Obama early on.

[Cha]

63. Thanks, lynyrd... Nancy got it out on

airwaves that clinton has ruled out Obama 'cause she pullin' for mccain and that shit just won't fly. Thanks Nancy.

[BringBigDogBack]

65. I agree with everything you said.