Unity/Dream Ticket getting a ton of Air Time. Clinton needs to offer second chair.

[berni_mccoy]

If it's her idea, and she's running in second place, she needs to do the obvious thing: take second chair.

I'm in no way for her as V.P. She has done considerable damage to the party and to Obama's General Election campaign.

But if she and her campaign want a Dream Ticket so badly, then, they need to do the obvious: offer to take second chair.

Of course, if she's thinking this, she's already given up on winning. She knows it's not going to happen. She is now in the desperate bid to repair her reputation and look like the peace maker when Obama has been a gentlemen and running a clean, high-road campaign the entire time.

She's realizing how badly she failed and now she's desperately trying to grab anything she can. But she can't even do that right: she's suggesting Obama be her V.P. and that is one of the most desperate moves any candidate has ever made.


(from http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4944428)

[berni_mccoy]

1. Edited to add the cartoon, which actually says everything I just said.

[NDambi]

10. I love the cartoon, it's dead on!!!! She's desperate..her whole camp is desperate...it's

insulting to offer the one winning and leading the race the back seat...how condescending..ugh..

[krkaufman]

33. Not to mention incredibly ironic ...

... given that she's been saying he doesn't have the experience, and isn't ready to be Commander-in-Chief.

[berni_mccoy]

2. delete (dupe).

[redqueen]

3. I find it utterly hilarious that the candidate who's won

less than half the primaries is talking about this idea herself. It's one thing to answer "journalists'" questions about it... but to echo it herself... hilarious.

[JimGinPA]

4. They Have No Shame

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

5. Reality: HILLARY TRYING TO RIDE OBAMA'S COAT-TAILS

Its all self preservation for her, the only way Hillary could even HOPE
to get near the White House again is by riding on Barack Obama's coat tails.

[niceypoo]

6. Obama supporters don't do unity...

This is becoming wholly evident lately...

[earthside]

22. Clinton(s) supporters don't do unity ...

What is evident is that old Hill is the one not interested in unity. If she was, then this belittling of Obama to the benefit of John McCain wouldn't be going on.

Comparing Obama to Ken Starr wouldn't have happened.

Playing the 'women won't wait' card (but African-Americans can wait) wouldn't be happening.

And this latest ploy -- which just reeks of arrogance -- suggesting Obama as HER running mate wouldn't have been floated by her husband.

This lead balloon is obviously a way for Clinton(s) to make some kind of pitch to voters that if they like Obama it is safe to vote for old Hill because she'll put him on the ticket. It's a smarmy tactic -- because no one but the Clinton(s) kool-aid drinkers would believe a word either of them say anymore.

[shraby]

23. Why should he? He's ahead and if he wins

should be able to pick his own v.p., not have it foisted on him by the loser.

[easy_b94]

7. NO WAY/Hell NO/Hell to the NO

[berni_mccoy]

8. I agree. I'm pointing out the fact that She's offering the Frontrunner the V.P. position.

[knixphan]

9. UNITY!

Obama/Richardson '08!

Unity!

[easy_b94]

13. Unity!!!!!!!!!

[40ozDonkey]

11. I'm not amazed...

The hubris is what turned me off (that and being FORCED to pay for healthcare, at risk of getting my wages garnished) to the Clintons in the first place. Hillary really hoped that if she suggested a dream ticket, we would forget that Barack Obama has won the nomination.

She really looked like a slapped ass for suggesting that McCain would be a better president, then turning around and asking Obama to be her running mate. I guess she didn't believe her own words, which is something she and I can agree on.

[babylonsister]

12. She's 'playing' voters in MS and using Obama's name to do it.

"Vote for me, you'll get a twofer." I hope the MS voters see through this; desperation from both Clintons is obvious to me.

[UALRBSofL]

14. Would you quit whining about Hillary

Obama has done way more damage then Hillary ever will with his false sense of HOPE and splintering the party with his "racial divide" tactics of accusing the Clinton's of being racists every other day.

[Inuca]

19. DId you just finish reading1984? n/t

[berni_mccoy]

21. Link? Oh, that's right, you can't. But there is plenty of times when Hillary DIRECTLY trashed Dems

and Obama.

[grantcart]

32. funny every single time Obama folks respond to Clinton's

message you call it whining.

Shredding the pathetically superficial verbiage that the Clinton machine is putting out is not whinning it is shredding.

Please recompose the message that you keep cutting and posting to every one of your replies to read

"Would you quit shredding Hillary's machine spin comment".

As for the "Obama has done way more damage than Hillary . . ." If you feel that it the case then get your quotes together and post

it as an OP like all the other adults are doing. You might even get a Clinton supporter to agree. The fact is that the board

is filled with Clinton supporters who are withdrawing their support for her for exactly the opposite reason.

[Occam Bandage]

35. Obama has damaged the party with hope? I sense a new campaign

slogan for Hillary:

Hillary '08: Abandon all hope ye who enter here.

[babylonsister]

15. From TPM: The Reason They Keep Offering Obama The Vice-Presidency

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/09/the_reason_they_keep_offering/

The Reason They Keep Offering Obama The Vice-Presidency
By M.J. Rosenberg - March 9, 2008, 10:51AM



It's a little weird. How can the candidate running second have the temerity to suggest that the candidate running first take the VP slot?

It's pretty clever.

The whole idea is to tell potential Obama voters that, once again, the Clintons will give you two for the price of one. You can love Obama but vote for Hillary, knowing that he will be VP now and that in eight years he will be the Presidential nominee.

Of course, it's bogus. No one, certainly not the first African-American, is going to accept riding in the back of the bus when he has been chosen for the job of driver.

And the Clintons know it.

A variant on this tactic was used by Mario Cuomo when he was running in a Democratic primary for governor of New York against Ed Koch. Koch was the wildly popular mayor of New York City and was widely favored to win the gubernatorial primary.

So the Cuomo campaign adopted the mantra that if you vote for Cuomo, you get them both as Koch would still be mayor.

New Yorkers went to the polls loving Koch and voting for Cuomo. Cuomo scored a huge upset and the rest is history. Koch stayed on as mayor for seven more years; Cuomo was governor for the next twelve.

The differences between that case and the current one are obvious, but that does not mean it's not a smart tactic for Clinton.

There is only one way to defuse it. Obama should say that he would consider VP if, at the end of the day, Clinton wins the nomination fair and square, knowing -- as we all do -- that it is impossible for her to win that way. Then Michelle Obama should say, in passing, that there is no way Barack will accept the Vice-Presidency, period.

Obama is not going to be Hillary's Vice President. No way. Obama should lay that little device to rest as soon as he can.

[krkaufman]

36. Yep, that's what I've been saying.

Along with the fact that Hillary's not going to stop smearing Obama, hoping to eventually score a critical hit and compel the superdelegates to give her the nomination.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

16. She needs his fundraising of all 50 states

She's stabbed him in the back, now all that is left is to try to fleece him and
his supporters.

[berni_mccoy]

30. She needs a whole lot more than that. But she's not going to get it.

[Iceburg]

17. No she's paving the way to ask a qualified VP candidate -- Wesley Clark

Once Obama has turned her down publicly she is then free to ask Wesley Clark.

[berni_mccoy]

20. V.P. of her 2008 Senate Position?

[SoonerPride]

18. Obama has YET to say it, but he should

Hillary Clinton, I might consider you for my runing mate if you'll stop attacking me and praising John McCain. Otherwise, dear, you're losing your job interview, badly.

[Divernan]

29. HRC in vp slot would be in position to sabotage Obama so she could run in '12

"as far as I know". She'd knife him in the back subtly, but repeatedly. Plus she's had high negative numbers with the American public for at least what, 10 years now? There are many good vp choices available to Obama. She's would be poison for a Dem ticket.

[OneBlueSky]

24. ain't gonna happen . . . the hatred between these two candidates . . .

and their supporters is far worse than the hatred that existed between JFK and LBJ in 1960 . . . it's a different time, and I doubt very much that either will agree to be #2 on the ticket -- or that it would even be offered . . .

[thereismore]

25. 5th K&R! nt

[thereismore]

26. Lovely cartoon, but Barack can do better. nt

[knixphan]

27. Barack can do much better.

Richardson/Dodd/Edwards/Webb/Napolitano/McCaskill/Biden/Gore

[berni_mccoy]

28. Yes. He. Can.

[chill_wind]

31. Cynical, disgusting-but very clever-gambit. "I'm the Uniter!" She's trying to set him up.

About what you would expect from the scorched earth headquarters. She's setting him up and trying to force a response and capitalize on the so-called public opinion polls she's simultaneously got the media running. If she (and Bill) can raise it enough to get his catagorical "NO", she says "See that? I'm the Uniter". I would fix this. I would share. I'm for the good of the Party."

This is targeted to voters, but it's being targeted first and foremost to the superdelegates and the ga-ga media. Although the pundit media is already noting the "possible self-serving nature" of the gambit, it isn't stopping them from enjoying it and still trying to help her promote it.

Obama should continue to deflect and let her completely wear it out. He can have fun pointing out the day after tomorrow and the day after that the dichotomy of just how much more kitchen sink junk she's still tossing at him out of her back end, which she of course will be.

[Occam Bandage]

34. There won't be a unity ticket. She's trying to convince people that they can vote for her and

still get Barack Obama in the White House.