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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:44 AM
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Ever get the feeling Republicans may not want to win?
It's hard to believe they're really invested in it. I mean they run a guy who fractures the party, who has temper issues, and probably more skeletons in his closet than any of the other candidates they ran (except for maybe Giuliani). They watch the guy unravel in interviews and accept endorsements from controversial figures without saying a word. They talk about him like he's a red-headed step-child on talk radio, and openly question his sanity and conservative credentials.

I mean, do they want to just hand the election to us or what?

I'm wondering if maybe, just maybe, they realize they have gotten in over their heads. Maybe part of them realizes that they just don't have what it takes to run a country without scratching up the paint or totaling it altogether. Maybe, just maybe they want the Democratic party to save them from themselves in the same way the country is reaching out in large numbers to Democrats to undo what their party has done to our politics, to our country and its citizens, to our relationships with the world.

Or, then again, maybe they're just really completely, utterly clueless. Yeah. I'll go with that.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:46 AM
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1. I start to wonder if ANYONE wants to win, maybe we''ll have to take out an ad in a newspaper?
Wanted: One naive person who wants to clean up the mess that George Bush left.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:47 AM
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2. That is the feeling I get from time to time too
add to that, willing to drop citizenship requirement
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:50 AM
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6. then Ahnold will step up to the plate.
:shrug: It will take a Terminator to undo this mess.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:57 AM
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11. I realize your joking, but weren't they mulling a bill...
that would change the natural-born citizen requirement for a Presidential candidate at one time? Scary stuff.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:04 AM
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14. Yes and I went, damn that means I can run too
now that would be scary

:-)

I can hear it now

Put up or shut up

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:14 AM
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20. Yeah, Whorrin' Hatch (R)-AZ was behind that one n/t
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acrosstheuniverse Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:47 AM
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3. Yeah the Republican party is really down and fractured
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:48 AM by acrosstheuniverse
But Clinton has to fuck it all up for us. We HAD this election. And we still could have it. But she's gonna continue marching us off into a train-wreck of a convention and then defeat in the Fall. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity too. Such a shame.

Thank you Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:49 AM
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5. McCain will be his own undoing. Either of our candidates could beat him.
Though, I'd persoanlly rather it was Obama. But still, I don't think anyone in their right mind is looking forward to 4 years of Bush 2.0. Even Republicans are bailing on their own party.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:48 AM
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4. Sometimes I check in on what republicans
are saying and one thing they bring up is that if a democrat wins, they can blame all the mess on him/her. Of course they word it differently, but that's exactly what they mean. And they certainly will do that too. So maybe that's what they're thinking. They also talk about democrats only getting four years and then running another 'Reagan' type. They're so obsessed with Ronnie. I think most of them are lukewarm on McCain and don't really care too much about a McCain presidency. Of course, once the GOP revs up the hate machine on our candidate, they will be running to the polls to vote against the evil democrat.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:53 AM
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9. You make some interesting points.
I;m not sure if a plan like that would be successful though. Thing is, a Democrat president is not going to fail. And once they get things on the track to recovery, it'll be very hard for the GOP to make a case that we screwed everything up. Only people with no short term memories are going to remember the shape shrub left this country in when he left office. And we're half as successful as I expect us to be, they could reanimate the corpse of Reagan himself and he still wouldn't be able to win.

I have seen what you're talking about with right wingers and Reagan though. It's really weird. It goes beyond idol worship, it's almost like religion for some.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:51 AM
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7. The corporate media definitely wants John McCain to win.
That is, in fact, why he probably WILL win. Especially if Clinton is his opponent, who will bring out the GOP base en masse.

When you do not have your own media, you do not win many elections. Progressives in the US need to realize this.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:55 AM
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10. He seems to have a testy relationship with the media.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:58 AM by casus belli
And they weren't there to help him when Shrub thrashed him in the 2000 primaries. I think he makes a lot of people nervous, or maybe I'm just projecting. He definitely makes ME nervous. I don't want that guy anywhere near launch codes.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:51 AM
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8. I've gotten that feeling, yeah
I think there's a lot of nasty stuff in the bag that we have yet to discover, and if we're left holding it it becomes our problem to fix.

At the rate W's going, he's going to be in single-digit-approval-rating-land, and this is make-or-break time for them, and for us.

I feel like we're on the brink of something here, and it could be a 30-year progressive reign, or we could just be going straight into the dark ages. And I'm not sure we'll know which one we're getting until sometime in 2011 or so, regardless of who gets the nomination. :(
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:58 AM
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12. 30 years of progressive politics....
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:59 AM by casus belli
you just put a smile on my face with that one. :) This country could really use 30 years of a progressive agenda. Just imagine where we'd be on the other side of it.
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:01 AM
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13. How about the Green Party?
This seems like the year they could really do something. Lots of their issues are high on the demand list. Both parties are in trouble. Why do they not run a stronger person than Nader? Maybe they know something also.

I am for Obama but he sure going to get a lot of problems when he gets the job.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:07 AM
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15. Yep, no doubt about that.
One thing it will not be is an easy job.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:08 AM
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16. Behind the scenes the political machine doesn't care WHO wins (HRC or McC)...
At least that's what I read yesterday (sorry, I can't remember where)--it was a piece on the connection between the Clintons-Carlyle Group, mentioning the ties between Mark Penn and the lobbyists working with McCain... in essence that it won't matter which of those two candidates win because neither would rock the political machine.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:22 AM
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17. A loss can potentially get them 8 years in 2012 due to economy really...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 02:25 AM by cooolandrew
Once in office we MUST continually highlight any achievement we make on the hill, so people don't forget what they are doing for America. Good things can easily be forgotten.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:32 AM
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18. I hope I'm wrong but after the stolen elections of '00 and '04...
...I find it hard to believe that the corporatists who handed junior the presidency will give up their power so easily. I believe they will cross party lines and give the election to Hillary. This way we will still have the illusion of fair elections.

For the GOP to run with a pro-war candidate when America wants out, seems fishy.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:36 AM
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19. Yeah, but they're kinda stubborn like that.
I mean, look how long it took for them to realize Bush was an a-hole. It's not as if they jump off at the first signs of distress...those guys like to go down with the ship. They appear to thrive on it.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:16 AM
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21. Yes, they think if Hillary or Obama are in the WH for four years, they will fuck it up soo bad...
the country will be begging for conservatives.
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