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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:37 AM
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Hillary Clinton Working Wyoming


Hillary Clintons visit to Cheyenne, which began 45 minutes later than scheduled, occurred just before Wyomings 2008 Democratic Party Convention. Today, Wyomings 12 delegates will be awarded to Clinton or her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

A line snaked its way around the Laramie County Community College gymnasium hours before Clinton was scheduled to speak, not unlike a crowd that waited hours to see her husband and former president Bill Clinton in Laramie Thursday.

Clinton answered around 10 questions from a crowd of nearly 2,000 people, all sitting, standing or occupying bleachers in a circle around her.



I would get us back to our fiscal responsibility, Clinton said. When my husband left office, we had a balanced budget and surplus.

Because of the balanced budget and surplus, the Social Security trust fund was replenished and there was a plan in place for it to pay full benefits until 2055, she said.

And look where we are today, Clinton said.

Clinton said she has the solutions to the problems she sees in this country.

I know there is difference between speeches and solutions, Clinton said. I want you to hold me accountable. I want to tell you what I will do with the economy, with energy, with health care and education and a wealth of other problems. I dont think we have any time to waste.


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acrosstheuniverse Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:40 AM
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1. So unfair
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:41 AM by acrosstheuniverse
I didn't see one damn thing about Obama being there tonight even though he was there. And the Associated Press article of them campaigning there barely mentioned Obama except to say he was on the defense since losing Texas, Ohio, and Rhode Island on Tuesday. :eyes:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:28 AM
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50. tsk tsk. He camp is in damage control mode.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:41 AM
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63. here you go pal
Well invest in you



With music echoing, Pistol Pete waving the giant flag, cameras flashing and 8,500 people on their feet, presidential candidate Barack Obama made a rock star entrance last night in Laramie. In fact, even the rock stars in the audience were cheering for him.

In front of a crowd at the University of Wyoming Arena-Auditorium that had been waiting for hours to hear him speak on the night before the Wyoming caucus, Obama defended his notions of hope, called for change in the Washington way of thinking and told the audience to fight for what may not seem possible.

Included in that crowd and garnering its own share of attention was the rock group OK Go, which pushed back the start time of its concert last night to accommodate the rally.

Obama said America is at a defining moment in its history, as the nation is at war, the planet is in peril and people are working harder just to get by. Thats why he decided a year ago to run for president.

Theres such a thing as being too late, and that hour is upon us, he said.

With one hand resting in his pocket and the other holding a microphone, he rotated to face the crowd that surrounded him on all sides as many waved signs handed out by campaign volunteers.

After talking about the need to fix Americas health care and education systems and end the war in Iraq, the crowd exploded in cheers when Obama invoked the name of the current president: No matter what else happens, the name George W. Bush wont be on the ballot, he said. The name of my cousin Dick Cheney wont be on the ballot.

http://www.laramieboomerang.com/news/more.asp?StoryID=1...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:52 AM
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11. Hillary is DEM. pres. candidate. shameful post!!
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:00 AM
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23. Que?
I'm sorry, but the more I see of Hillary, the more disappointed I become. I hate to ruin your opportunity to taunt me like a bully. I am just genuinely upset by the way she and her staff have run things
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:09 AM
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37. No tourette's and no argument with you
I don't have it in me. I just got back from work and let off some steam. if you want to fight, look elsewhere
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:31 AM
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53. Understood
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:18 AM
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69. Thank you for your fine example
of how to keep the "discourse elevated". Oy.

Julie
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:48 AM
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75. You're welcome.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:18 AM
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45. *A*
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:17 AM
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43. *A*
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:43 AM
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3. She looks like she's having a great time!
K&R
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:46 AM
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4. She probably is...she's deranged
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:48 AM
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5. Wes would be horrified at your comments.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:49 AM by wlucinda
No...he's seen real horror. He'd be pissed.
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:52 AM
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12. I put up that Wes avatar when he ran 4 yrs. ago
...I just recently got back on DU because it's too much for me to sit idly by and accept Hillary's shenanigans. I truyl find her and her methods to be loathsome and destructive
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:22 AM
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71. He wasn't runnung in 2006.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:49 AM
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6. You may want to consider a chill pill.
No need to insult her and spew venom.
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acrosstheuniverse Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:50 AM
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7. Chill pill?
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:52 AM by acrosstheuniverse
Fuck you Hillary Clinton! Once in a lifetime opportunity for the Democrats and you blow it for us!

And NEVER forget the Republican Revolution of 1994 either after her disastrous health care plan that even the Democratic Congress rejected.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:52 AM
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10. Chill pill you need a few.
Don't drag that crap into discussion topics. That belongs in the numerous posts exposing the Clintons.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:03 AM
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28. It is NOT a coronation and plenty of Democrats
do not think that Obama is ready to be president.

So you can take your filthy mouth and stick in the toilet, as it seems to be where you are more comfortable.
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acrosstheuniverse Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:06 AM
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And plenty of Democrats thought Mondale and Dukasis were fit...
nuff said. :eyes:
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:53 AM
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13. Yeah, because Hillary wuldn't do that
You take a chill pill
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:54 AM
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15. Yeah the Wes Clark
that knows a little about who would make a competent commander in chief.

Notice who he says that would be.

Of course, probably you don't regard him as qualified either.
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:55 AM
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18. I supported Wes for pres
but I was very disappointed when he endorsed Hillary
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:01 AM
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26. Then it's not a Hob son's choice.
Whose judgment do you trust more, your's or his?
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:04 AM
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30. What is a "Hob son's choice" ?
I'm not familiar with that term. I trust my own judgment
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:15 AM
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41. He'll be extremely surprised to hear that.
Considering he actually was a chief architect for major war. I would suspect that probably isn't on your resume.

lack of choice, no alternative, no choice, only choice, zero option.
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:24 AM
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47. He'd probably be extremely surprised to hear anything from me
...we've never met and most likely never will. I think he was a great candidate for pres ideally. I personally didn't like his choice of endorsement. You can be as snarky as you want about my not knowing about Hob son's choice. At least I didn't pretend to know. I was being honest
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:34 AM
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54. Where do you get snarky?
I don't do snarky.

But you should think about your rationale. Someone you believe in is 180 degrees from you. You would trust him. But you wouldn't trust someone he would trust.

Over and out.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:20 AM
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46. *A*
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:54 AM
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55. SHAME on you!! She is a Dem. Pres. Candidate!
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:59 AM
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59. No she's not, she is a traitor to the party, and to respectability.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:14 AM
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98. Eh? Just continue with the helpful name-calling, okay? 'Traitor' to the party? So why is she ...
...so strong among the true blue-state, Democratic strongholds?

You might want to look a little more closely into BO's tainted history first, which is only now coming to light in the media.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:23 AM
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72. Uh oh.. the "Shame on You" meme againUpdated at 5:52 PM
Hide the Playboy magazines..Hilmom's gonna "shame on you" all over you :)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:51 AM
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80. shame for the flamebait
shame for the snarky reference to mental illness.

shame for the disgusting attack on Hillary Clinton.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:59 AM
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84. snarky reference to mental illness? Updated at 5:52 PM
sorry, not getting the connection :hi:
flamebait? I did not start the flamebait thread ..but whatever :hi:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:03 AM
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86. oh, but, you wanted to make fun of the expressions of shame
. . . as if it only exists for mothers admonishing their children.

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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:06 AM
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92. Actually, 'tis your despicable comment that's 'deranged'. Cool off with a nice drink...
...Kool-Aid, perhaps?
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:50 AM
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8. She seems to have some support there.
I do not think Obama can achieve a blowout with her able to pull a crowd like that. I just hope those people are informed about her votes and past including the Cluster Bomb vote. It coming out there later could leave them feeling alienated to the democrats.

I believe Obama will win there around 55-60 percent. That is just from the limited info I have and the support both of them seem to get over there. It will be enough to stop this image of a momentum even tho she had a net loss last week with the results from continued counting.

We will just have to see. I just hope as many people as possible go out and VOTE.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:45 AM
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64. he's always going to pull bigger crowds, but he pulled them in Ohio too
Rhode Island, Texas. It's something when your candidate is outspent 2-1, 4-1 in advertising, and she still wins.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:51 AM
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9. She looks great! I hope she does very well in Wyoming. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:55 AM
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17. She does look great---and so does the crowd
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acrosstheuniverse Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:57 AM
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20. Her actions
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:59 AM by acrosstheuniverse
may create more racial animosity and disillusionment then ever before in this country. I know this elderly African American fellow who actually cried when Obama won those Potamic primaries. Saying "we were finally coming so close to the change we've desired for half a century now." He said "The black youth need a real role model rather then those rapper and thug clowns out there on MTV."

There is/was so much hope and she could very well destroy it and wound America's psyche even more.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:00 AM
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24. Oh good grief! Hillary has a right to run for president. nt
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acrosstheuniverse Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:01 AM
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25. Her only way to win it...
is to STEAL it. Drop out now Hillary.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:03 AM
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27. This is how Obama reacts when he sees the way
some of his supporters behave:

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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:05 AM
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31. Huh?
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:06 AM
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34. Yes, that's exactly what Obama is saying in that picture! nt
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:08 AM
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36. Well, some of us women cried when Hillary won the NH primary.
There have been African Americans who came before Obama who won primaries, but Hillary was the first woman to win a primary in this country and the media didn't give a damn. Obama should have waited until he had built a resume, he didn't have to run the same election season as Hillary. If not for his ego, why run when he had only been in the senate 2 years? We could have had two great presidents and maybe 16 years of Democratic rule, instead we are having the most divisive primary in recent Democratic history. It's heartbreaking.........

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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:12 AM
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38. Exactly. I was overjoyed when she won NH and felt incredibly proud of her. nt
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acrosstheuniverse Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:12 AM
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39. Hillary has already been in the White House
So it was little surprise or excitement about that. Obama feels right now is the right time. Are you saying Lincoln should have waited? He was only a member of the house for two years and lost a senate run in 1858.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:18 AM
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44. Oh, please.........
Obama is just a politician, only better packaged. Please don't compare him to one of the greatest men of his time.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:42 AM
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76. .
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:24 AM
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100. Yeah, I cried.....
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 11:25 AM by Hepburn
...I could not believe that some of my sisters who came of age with me in the 60s had become old and foolish by supporting Hillary.

:puke:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:26 AM
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48. Oh for heaven's sake!! She is role model to many women in this country but
no one is saying silly stuff like you are.
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acrosstheuniverse Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:31 AM
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52. Like I already said
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 02:32 AM by acrosstheuniverse
Hillary already lived in the White House with Bill for 8 years. WHY the FUCK are they entitled to be in that place for another 8 years? And Bill will probably cheat on her again too. You know he has a problem.

Nothing but scandal after scandal after scandal and huge Republican majorities across the land while they were in there.

Why will it be any different now?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:02 AM
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57. She is not entitled. That hogwash is only in your mind.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:31 AM
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74. She is not "entitled" to be in the White House for
another 8 years, it's just that a lot of people want her in the White House.There are a lot of people who want Senator Obama in the White House,it's a race for the White House and I think we are ALL entitled to that.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:48 AM
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65. actually Hillary Clinton has her own following, almost equal in votes cast
a difference of less than 300,000 votes out of some 26 million cast (est.)

I'd even call her following of women, who are looking for the first female president, a movement.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:24 AM
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89. you can't vote for someone JUST because of the symbolism
This is the toughest job in the world. I he's not ready, then he's not ready.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:06 AM
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32. Aaand, again, a crummy, sexist remark. For every woman who has ever been asked "How much", buzz off
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acrosstheuniverse Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:07 AM
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35. Hillary Clinton has brought up her sex
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 02:09 AM by acrosstheuniverse
100 times more then Obama has ever brought up his race.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:15 AM
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42. She has brought up her gender, not her sex. n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:00 AM
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85. ....Updated at 5:52 PM
:rofl:
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:31 AM
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51. No, and saying "how much" to women is disgustingly offensive. Defend it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:55 AM
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56. more crapola---making claims with NO evidence!! shameful.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:50 AM
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66. what a crumb
these are the folks who want to convince us their candidate is better or that Hillary Clinton is some dirtbag. I've NEVER heard her, or heard of her, speaking like this. Your post is a reflection on your candidate, like it or not, and only serves to distract from any positive message or impression of him.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:59 AM
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22. The night shift again? Who's answering the phone? n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:27 AM
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49. you must be sleepy--as you are not focused on the OP.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:04 AM
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29. Thank you for the great pictures and news.
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:12 AM
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40. She looks great.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:58 AM
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58. 2000?? Such a small crowd, I mean really, talk about exaggeration.
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mrmx9 Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:56 AM
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61. If you hold your rallies in a college gymnasium you are certain to get queues
If you pick a small venue you can fill it up more easily!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:53 AM
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67. Obama couldn't translate his crowds into a win in Ohio, Rhode Island
even in Texas, more Clinton supporters showed up at the polls, despite being outspent 2-1, 4-1 on ads, and despite Obama's huge crowds of the curious.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:06 AM
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87. Better to listen to the people
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:00 AM
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60. Watch Your Wallets, Wyoming! -eom
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:10 AM
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62. Lovely, that Hillary.
And your solutions are for those that need them the most!
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:03 AM
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68. Obama's crowd was 5x larger than Hillary's!




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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:24 AM
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73. all those latte drinkers
who knew Wyoming was filled with them!
:)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:44 AM
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77. that's not always an indicator of a lead in votes
juvenile, spamming this thread with your Obama pics. I NEVER interfere with candidate support threads like this, mucking them up with Hillary photos.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:19 AM
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70. Hm. Why did she come to WY when she says they don't matter ?
Hillary has said the red states don't matter. She has said it time and time and time again by saying that the red states Obama has won "are not states we are going to win in November anyway." thus trying to minimize the importance of his wins in red states. She also again dissed their caucus process right in front of them yesterday. So here we go again with Hillary-The-Hypocrite. She says they don't matter, and then she shows up to try to say that, well, yeah, ok, maybe they do suddenly matter. Say one thing, then say another thing, then do another thing...
Is there a "real" Hillary Clinton to be found anywhere?????
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:48 AM
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79. she never said 'red states don't matter'
and you've put into quotes a statement that i don't believe Hillary Clinton has made: "are not states we are going to win in November anyway."

Hint: A post about 'hypocritical' acts should be factual, not based on shorthand conclusions not supported by actual statements or fact.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:23 AM
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99. Fine, here's ONE of her MANY very NUMB quotes on this issue.
AS reported in the Huffington Post last month:

"In the wake of loses to Barack Obama in last weekend's slew of primaries, Clinton sought to minimize the political fallout by noting that several of the victories came from traditionally Republican-leaning states. 'It is highly unlikely we will win Alaska or North Dakota or Idaho or Nebraska, ' she told reporters."

She has repeated this line MANY times, even again just a few days ago. The VERY clear message is that Dem primary wins in these states DO NOT MATTER because she asserts we can not win these states in the general election. So she has written off these states and the Democrats who came out in large numbers to vote in them. But what she idiotically doesn't think about is that this will HAUNT her and the down-ticket Dems in these states if she is nominated. IT IS STUPID for her to say this shit. It is OLD, TIRED, OUTDATED, 20-STATE LOSING STRATEGY, TERRY MCAULIFFETYPE THINKING THAT WE HAVE WORKED OUR BUTTS OFF TO GET RID OF.

Sure, it would be hard to win some of these red states in the general election. So we just blow them off? We don't even try? We just sit back and stay a wimpy, piddly 20-state party?? We don't think about the Dems in those states who ARE making headway in taking back some local and state level offices?? We don't think about our good chances to win Governorships and congressional races in these states?? (i.e. like in KS, AZ, MT, and WY)

HILLARY NEEDS TO STOP THINKING SO SELFISHLY AND START THINKING ABOUT THE REST OF THE PARTY FOR A FRIGGING CHANGE !! BUT TO THE CLINTONS, IT IS ALWAYS ONLY ALL ABOUT THEM AND WANTING TO KEEP THEIR ESTABLISHMENT POWER. NO WONDER WHY HALF THE COUNTRY CAN'T STAND HILLARY CLINTON !!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:46 AM
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78. Keep The Momentum Hillary!!
:)

I am so glad I saw the light, and decided to make her my candidate! It took a while, but I re-read her book, and Bill's, looked at her stand on the issues, and here I am! Thank you Hillary!!!


:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:53 AM
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81. thanks for your support
We have two excellent Democrats running in this election. I will proudly vote for either one against McCain or any republican.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:54 AM
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82. Thanks For Yours
It's nice to see :)
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:56 AM
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83. Is that the book she didn't even write but took credit for?
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:11 AM
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96. Thank you. Your invaluable support is very much appreciated!
:hi: Welcome! Also stop by the Clinton Supporters Group forum when you can.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:13 AM
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88. "I want you to hold me accountable"- what bullshit Hillary-
where are your tax-returns?

What about your "first lady" papers?

What about your staff's "Ken Starr" comment?

What about the IWR?

What about "I extended my hand in friendship and unity"?

What about "I take him at his word"?

What about your McCain endorsement?

What about abiding by the agreement re: MI and Fla?

you are so disingenuous.

"Working Wyoming" alright.

:shrug:

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:41 AM
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90. all of those are your own invention. I doubt they mean squat to most of the voters in Wyoming
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:04 AM
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91. not my invention- they are her albatrosses- doubt all you like,
if she were to get the nom, these questions wouldn't go away- or be answered honestly-

She has proven that she does not live up to her word-

Accountability doesn't mean destroying the questioner, it means answering the question.

some day you will grasp this.


peace~
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:06 AM
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93. maybe an 'albatross' with you. But there's no evidence the issues you listed are limiting support
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 11:07 AM by bigtree
. . . in some major way. grasp that.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:14 AM
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97. you aren't likely
to get the chance to see just how much they would have impacted her in the end-
But to the people that she would need to support her in order for her to have a chance of winning, they matter.

You not be able to see it, or understand it- but they DO matter.


peace~
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:45 AM
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101. you don't appreciate that ANY Democratic nominee will face the lies
and be challenged to explain their record, along with their proposals. But, most voters live in the present, look to the future, and vote that way.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:57 AM
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102. the truth about what is on her tax returns is the 'future' -
Where is her money comming from? Who is she indebted to?

These are not questions that we DEMS want answers to- it isn't about
'facing lies'- unless Hillary has been hiding her returns because they reveal things she knows will not speak good things about her.

Hillary is RUNNING on 'the past'- how can you reconcile that with your claim that most voters live in the present, and look toward the future- ???

She is running on "experience"- pointing backwards-???


Your perspective and your candidate are at odds with each other??.
:shrug:
peace~
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:08 AM
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94. K & R!
Hillary looks pretty damned good in royal blue, too!

In fact, she looks good in any colour - canary yellow, dark brown, red - whatever. Smiles through it all.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:09 AM
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95. Thank you, once again, for the great, great pics, bigtree!
:kick:
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:58 AM
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103. Thank you. Great post & pics. k&r nm
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:04 PM
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104. Kicky for Karma today in WY
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:05 PM
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105. K/R Awesome photos!
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 12:06 PM by Maddy McCall
On edit: Oops! I've already recommended. :(
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