It's time for the soooooper-delegates to shit or get off the pot.

[SoCalDem]

Dean needs to advise the ones who are playing hard to get...to sign on to one or the other candidates..

We are almost "out of states", and it's getting ugly.. Neither candidate can win without the sooopers and if they align NOW, the picture would be much clearer about MI and FL.. Perhaps they truly would not be "needed"..

they could cancel another election, give HRC her precious dodgy wins, and seat the damned delegates..

If, when all the undecided (yeh, right) soooopers lined up behind one candidate, and gave them an unreachable total..game over.. and we can stop all this nonsense..

According to the WaPo, there are about 48% of the soooopers who are being coy, and not declaring.. By my math , that stacks up to be 380 or so..


Saving themselves, for the convention or for the last day, is a dangerous thing to do. They should make up their minds now..

We have two qualified candidates (even if one cannot decide whether to praise the other or claim that even Sen. Grumpipants is better), so the sooooopers are not there protecting the almighty party from some kook taking the nomination.. However.. the longer the wait, the closer to kook-ville BOTH of our candidates are likely to get..

If the delegates decided, and one candidate had a big enough lead to make the FL and MI delegate counts irrelevant, why spend the time and energy trying to hastily set up new contests, and end up rewarding the rule-breaking state party bosses.

Let them seat the delegates and just assign them (they would not change the outcome anyway at that point)..Let HRC have her precious FL numbers and even her MI numbers.. MI can give the ones she did NOT get, to BHO..He was not on the ballot, but he IS the last man standing that is not her..so if people there chose to vote and did not choose her, then by default, those others should go to him..

So... Dr Dean...give those soooopers a big ole enema, and let them expel those votes..sooner , rather than later..

[billyoc]

1. Agreed. Obama got 10 more SD endorsements this week, how many are left?

Let's give 'em a call. :hi:

[Bigleaf]

17. It was actually 14 to zero for Lieberwoman.

[Window]

2. I agree also. Defecate or relinquish the bowl.

I hope we will see some movement on this before the party implodes.



:nuke:

[splat]

3. Their purpose is to rescue the party late from lock-in with a loser

If the leading candidate is found in bed with a horse or something, the party can bail out on them with superdelegates. They're not meant to be locked up early.

You can't rewrite the process now.

[SoCalDem]

4. No rewrite necessary.. Most have committed already..

dean just needs to nudge the rest, so both candidates know where they stand,.. If enough go one way, then it is likely to play out one way.. if they go the other way, it's a different story..

[splat]

19. 'Endorsement' doesn't mean they won't bolt if the party needs it

There's nothing binding there.

[SoCalDem]

20. True.. but committing NOW would at least let both candidates know ehre they stand

there are very few states left.. Somehow, waiting until Puerto Rico seems to give McCain a rest he does not deserve..

[splat]

22. Comfy candidates is not the superdelegates' role; free airtime for dems is great

[SoCalDem]

23. sure it is.. McGrumpipants is off on a foreign trip and resting up as

his staff alphabetizes all the video clips of HRC & BHO..and catalogues their commercial bank in Cheney's man-sized safe.. they are loving it :)

[splat]

24. He's not well, pale as death; wingers already have all the clips

Watch the GOP VP -- McCain's health is fragile. Of course, we won't know who that is for months. Plenty of time.

[joshcryer]

5. Uh, FL and MI are already *needed*. They matter *now*. Neither can win without supers.

So it's a moot point. The supers are waiting because they know they have to actually decide this time, so they're going to see which one actually does good rather than having to save face later.

It's possible however if Obama pulls off some good victories on WY and Mississippi, that they will make such a move, to "push" her out of the race. But it's unlikely to happen that way, I think, given how she has won most of the big states.

[SoCalDem]

7. The "big states" she won would be won by ANY dem.. that's what's so funny

She won't win GA..he might
She won't win VA...he might
She won't win CO...he might


Either one of them would win the "big states".. Tiny little NH made the difference in '00 and if a few smaller states would have flipped in '04 , Kerry would be running for re-election right now..

The idealists who flocked to him, will NOT stay with her.. They might stay home, and then we lose some governorships & congresspeople/senators too..

Bill pissed off the usually dependable black voters, and they will NOT vote for HRC.. I can see them sitting the whole thing out...so nay state that depends on large black turnout, may be Mccain's by default..

[joshcryer]

8. Either one of them are going to win in a landslide. Historical precedence.

I am really tired of this McCain is even worth our time non-sense. The old man cannot win. He just can't.

As long as the party doesn't split (which is what Obama is trying to do by arguing against the wishes of voters), then we cannot possibly lose in Nov.

[SoCalDem]

12. HRC is the one who's splitting it.. The voters seem to prefer him

:) She;s the one who wants to bend the rules HER people set up..and she;s the one who sent people out to drop little racial cluster bombs all over the place like a rabbit with diarrhea

[pampango]

14. You might be right about the landslide prediction (I hope you are), but our two biggest

potential pitfalls are overconfidence and party self-destruction with our candidates tearing each other down (rather than building themselves up) and alienating our own supporters of the eventual "losing" candidate.

When you talk about Obama arguing against the wishes of the voters, do you mean Florida and Michigan or nationwide?

[SoCalDem]

21. Only if the totally pissed off and turned off HALF bother to show up

She ain't gonna do it with the 80 yr old women and white high school grad men and hispanics..

If you are in love with someone and plan to marry them..and a different person shows up at the altar, will you just say.. good enough for me and go on with it? You might just walk away..

People are not interchangeable..

only republicans think that way

[charlie]

6. Might be hard to do

There's a band of 8 Ohio supers (including Kucinich, Kaptur, and Brown) that vow to remain uncommitted until they hear acceptable job protection policies from a candidate. I wouldn't be surprised if others decided to do the same. It's been a long time since supers have had consequential powers, it'll be hard to pass up the opportunity to force a bit of horse trading for votes.

[SoCalDem]

11. Let them .. The rest would be enough of a boost to let people see where people line up

If 2/3 of the uncommitted line up with HRC, and she wins PA, then the handwriting's on the wall..and it still looks fair..

If she presses for a re-do, or a no-do (not allowing BHO to get any from MI)..and THEN the soooopers vote to undo what looked like a BHO victory...well... remember Chicago '68.. did we win that year??

The democratic party needs a new slogan:

[Exilednight]

9. Some of them are required to keep their vote secret until the convention. n/t

[pampango]

10. Interesting. I had not heard that before. What types of delegates are those and

what requires them to keep their vote secret until the convention?

[SoCalDem]

13. Agent 99 & the ones from K.A.O.S.

they are secreted away in the cone of silence

:rofl:

[Exilednight]

15. There was one I saw on MSNBC who was the head of a teachers union.....

He didn't give an exact number, but there seems to be several who are not allowed to endorse until the day of the convention.

[pampango]

16. Thanks. I wonder what the rationale for this prohibition is. n/t

[Kokonoe]

18. The super secret shadow government delegates

:tinfoilhat: :shrug: :tinfoilhat:

[kentuck]

25. Those that are left are mostly for Hillary..

They are waiting for the right moment. Such as a victory in PA.

[Alhena]

27. Yeah right- as if last Tuesday wasn't such a moment

she didn't get a single one as best I can tell. Surely she would have told at least some of them to come on board when Obama released several new ones.

[Alhena]

28. Yeah right- as if last Tuesday wasn't such a moment

she didn't get a single one as best I can tell. Surely she would have told at least some of them to come on board when Obama released several new ones.

[joeybee12]

26. cannot agree at all...the campaign ain't over...

...I wouldn't want to vote for something I might regret later on. and all this hand-wringing over how this is hurting us I believe is BS...it helps us.