Over 2. 4 million Texans have spoken and they chose Hillary.

[AGirl]

There's nothing to fight about. Accept the truth.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/opinion/06collins.html?ref=opinion


Once the primary voting ended, there were caucuses to choose a third of the Texas delegates. Given the way the counting is going, we should have the results sometime in 2009. But the Clinton campaign instantly issued complaints about rule-breaking. (“Numerous calls have shown that Obama supporters prematurely removed convention packets from polling places ...”).


That was truly unfair. People who never knew these caucuses existed before this week did the best they could under ridiculous circumstances, including an innovative rule that no one is in charge when the event begins.


“The secretary is the first precinct captain who manages to take a leadership role. It’s a little ambiguous to be totally honest,” said Alexander Baugh, a graduate student and an Obama captain at Mathews Elementary School in Austin.


Inside, hundreds and hundreds of voters were trying to squeeze into the caucus, which was held in a child-size cafeteria.

[jgraz]

1. Cool. Let's make her Queen of Texas.

Cuz she's not going to be president.

[anonymous171]

2. LOL!

Best Post of the evening. :rofl:

[RummyTheDummy]

3. LMAO.....so true.

[Vincardog]

11. I worked the election in TX. There were a lot of republicans in our Democratic primary voting for

I could hear them talking as they left.

[Hepburn]

12. Coronation location?

I say....THE ALAMO! :rofl:

[question everything]

26. With the bizantine way of voting in TX, you are right

Whoever dreamed of this bizarre voting system, where black voters had more delegates than Latinos, would make DeLay proud.

[anonymous171]

32. Isn't it partly DeLay's fault?

[question everything]

78. I have no idea. But for the Repulicans to determine how we choose our nominees

is really shameful.

How many decided to vote for either Clinton or Obama, or even for Edwards, based on what the Republicans are saying?

How many Republicans have voted in our primaries and caucuses for what they perceive is the weaker candidate only to vote for McCain in November? And we let them.

[BigDaddy44]

85. How is it Delay's fault?

If we, as Democrats, can't even decide how our OWN delegates get chosen, we need to hang it up.

This farce is the Texas Democratic Party's fault.

[WolverineDG]

81. that's the South Texas machines' fault

for not keeping turnout high in these areas. They sat out 2004 & 2006, while the state party & local activists worked their butts off in the urban areas. The cookies go to those who work for them, not for those who sit on their butts.

And before you whine about it being "unfair" for the six brazillionth time, in 2004 & 2006, the South Texas region had most of the delegates because of the 2002 turnout for Tony Sanchez.

dg

[ClayZ]

30. I needed that laugh!

:rofl:

[Growler]

36. LMAO!

Thank god I just put down my drink of water!!

[Scurrilous]

40. LOL

:thumbsup:

[mattclearing]

59. WIsh I could recommend this post. n/t

[saltpoint]

4. Her totals won the popular vote. She didn't do much good for herself in

delegate count, though, and when the show hits Denver, the ones with the votes are delegates.

She scored a short-term victory but actually lost ground in the nuts and bolts of winning the nomination.

[Maddy McCall]

5. Go, Hillary!

Thanks for posting. K/R

[AGirl]

6. you are welcomed. It was a hard fought battle, and Hillary won the votes. It's that simple.

[0007]

28. .......and that's worth more than counterfeit Chinese money?

[Growler]

43. too bad it doesn't work that way

> you are welcomed. It was a hard fought battle, and Hillary won the votes. It's that simple.

And if wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets. Claiming that Hillary won Texas ignores that "simple" thing called reality. She lost the delegate count, therefore she lost Texas.

You're right, it is simple!

[LVjinx]

56. Not since 2000

Have a seen a group of people so GLEEFUL about manipulating the system to disenfranchise voters.

[tabasco]

57. Provide one example of the Obama campaign manipulating the TX system.

Being aware of how a system operates and manipulating that system are completely different things. You are LYING about the Obama campaign. Why are you a liar?

The Clinton campaign was ignorant of how the TX system worked until just before the primaries there. Clinton apparently thought she had it in the bag. If she was running a halfway competent campaign, she might have won the delegate count.

[Buve]

65. pretty much

votes doen't count... what they want counts...

[MadAndy]

84. If she really won the primary, why didnt she win the caucus?

Because crossovers dont caucus.

[theboss]

She'll be a fine governor who I hope to hell lowers the property tax

I'm moving to Houston in the next few months. The housing market is incredibly affordable but the goddamn property tax is murder.

[democrattotheend]

7. Barely

By 3 points. Hardly a blowout.

[Colobo]

8. Who will win more delegates? That's what matters, dear.

[AGirl]

10. I think the will of the people matters.

[PseudoIntellect]

14. Yeah, it does matter. But then Hillary has no chance.

...unless the superdelegates override the will of the people.

[RummyTheDummy]

16. Delegates don't matter?

You new to politics or....

[AGirl]

19. Delegates matter.

[Colobo]

33. And Obama will beat Hillary in amount of TX delegates won.

It's life.

[AGirl]

41. I don't dispute that possibility.

[Hepburn]

24. The will of the people in TX is that....

OBAMA won. Deal with it, OK?

[zarath]

79. Here's a handy list of what matters

When it comes to selecting the Democratic nominee:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4926852&mesg_id=4926852

[PseudoIntellect]

9. If there's nothing to fight about, then I guess delegates are meaningless.

Moral victories are all that matter, not math or anything.

[smiley_glad_hands]

13. She still can't win. eom

[better tomorrow]

15. that and the crossover Republicans

the 8 percent that were "Limbaughed" into crossing over.....she only won by 4 percent, remember? And, they were part of that percent.

[Leopolds Ghost]

52. Half of all TX Republicans in the Democratic Primary voted for Hillary -- 10% of the vote!!

And the lily-white Panhandle, where the few registered Dems are
Dixiecrats who vote for Bush or Ron Paul in November --
"There will be Blood" country -- went overwhelmingly for Hillary.

Hmmmmmmm.

[anonymous171]

17. Actually, they voted against Obama.

Because Hillary convinced them that if disaster struck at 3 am, Obama would not be ready.

[better tomorrow]

21. Hillary slept through her plane turbulance....so

I am not so sure she would answer the phone when it rings now......and, besides, Bill would get there first to make sure it isn't one of his girlfriends.

[better tomorrow]

18. Cross over Republicans? Well....

I'm doing the same thing here in Florida. Going to switch from Independent to Democrat so I can vote in the "rescheduled primary" and vote for Obama. Works both ways.....see?

[tyne]

20. Maybe Hillary should

have planned a "delegate" strategy.

Oh...well, maybe it's just me.

[question everything]

22. And, like the other caucuses, mothers who had to care for their children

evening workers, voters who were out of town or who were sick - could not attend the caucuses and thus were disenfranchised.

[tyne]

27. Obama voters

don't have children, jobs, and are never sick.

[PseudoIntellect]

44. Rofl. I never thought of that. They're obviously invincible.

[question everything]

75. Sure they do. But think how many more of them could have made it

had they not been forced to vote at a very specific time.

[CoffeeCat]

51. I'm a mother with children and I caucused....

...because, I knew about the date of the caucus AN ENTIRE YEAR before it happened!

That gave me plenty of opportunity to hire a babysitter and avoid the dreaded disenfranchisement.

Who are you people with your exaggerated caucus-disenfranchisement horror stories???

Both the Obama and Hillary camps offered child care services at most precincts in my caucus state.
Also, there were many moms and couples at our caucus with children. I was a precinct captain and
I brought coloring books and markers and the kids colored while we caucused.

It's really not as icky-bad as Hillary wants you to think! ;)

[question everything]

76. Did the campaigns also send replacements nurses and surgeons

to fill in for trauma centers and nursing homes while the care givers were given time to caucus?

What about fire fighters and police officers who had to be in their stations ready for the 911 calls? Or were the street calm and safe that night in Texas?

Did the campaigns "negotiate" with employers who sent some employees on business trips to postpone them?

Were special accommodations made for people with high fever and coughing suffering from the flu to get to vote? Or is the recent flu epidemic skipping Texas?

[casus belli]

23. HAVE spoken. But I digress...

a little more than HALF the people have chosen Hillary. It's disingenuous to suggest that all Texans want Hillary.

[boppers]

25. Gee, living in a representative democracy must suck...

...for some folks.

Hillary won the raw votes, and lost in the negotiated votes.

So, it looks like she picked up more raw votes, but couldn't close the deal, and lost party delegates.

Uhm.

If she can't win over her own party, how is she gonna win over the opposition?

[emilyg]

29. If Obama can't close the deal

how will he win in Nov.?

[tyne]

31. He did.

She can't win.

[Colobo]

34. She won't win the nomination.

[Growler]

35. Obama did close the deal

Or do you still not understand how "delegates" work? Obama won more delegates in Texas, which Bill said he could not do for Hill to stay in the race.

Jeez, Clinton supporters change the goal-posts so often, you'd think they were Republicans...

[0007]

37. Do you indeed know how many folks live in Texas?

There are 25.4 and I doubt very much if even five mill voted.

Where do you get your information? FAUX News?

Do you have a link about the child-size cafeteria that hundreds of people were trying to squeeze into? I didn't think so!

[anonymous171]

39. Remember, only people who vote Hillary count.

Make your vote (literally) count: Hillary '08

[0007]

70. Point well taken!

[JackORoses]

38. and over 1 million of them returned for the Caucus and they delivered Texas to Obama

Deal with it, honey.

[AGirl]

42. over a million?

[JackORoses]

45. yep, it broke all kinds of records

Obama is running away with it.

His supporters are damn dedicated.

[AGirl]

46. i would be suprised if half of the voters went to the caucus.

[JackORoses]

47. there was actually closer to 4 million voters in the primary. around a quarter of them came back.

[AGirl]

48. oh i didn't know it was 4 million voters. That's alot of people. :)

[MadAndy]

82. Right. How many Repug crossovers do you think went to the Caucus?

Hillerys primary victory was tainted by crossovers. Among real Dems, Obama won handily.
Why do you think the repugs want hillery to win? She cant beat Mclame.

[Ashy Larry]

49. Texas doesn't matter.

[Matteon]

50. Actually

The difference in their vote totals was just under 100,000 out of 2.4 million. They didn't all choose Hillary.

[msallied]

53. Foiled again by math! LMAO

[EmilyAnne]

54. That's true. She put up a good fight and won two important states. No one can fairly

deny that she has earned her right to stay in this campaign!

Congratulations to you! I know it feels great...like how I felt after Obama's big night!
Good luck!

[rodeodance]

58. America knows who TX---they say all the headlines across the USA!! get it: 3;1

[EmilyAnne]

64. Sorry, I don't understand your post.

[barack the house]

55. Yep good luck all thebest.

[BrightKnight]

60. .

[WheresMyVoice]

61. 2 delegates

lol

[RiverStone]

62. Hillary won the TX primary and yet, has already lost the pledged delegates

Sorry - Hillary can only win this thing if her Super D's over ride Obama's pledged D's.

Even if she wins every contest left with 55% - 60%, Obama wins the delegate math.

He also still leads the national popular vote by 600K.

Hard fought battle - but Hillary will not let the party implode on the floor in Denver and neither will our party leaders.

peace~

[Beregond2]

63. TX

Sigh. I don't know why we bother trying to explain reality to these Hillary supporters. Clearly they are not in "the reality-based community." I attempted to get all this through my brother's head tonight, but he can't seem to follow a simple line of reasoning to it's logical conclusion.

[Buve]

66. corrupt

No, we just know that 1 vote = 1 vote.


Its ok, Obama just wants his votes to count more that other peoples votes. If i remember right the constitution did the samething.. something about 3/5's a person if you were a certian type. Obama just wants blue state voters to be worth 10% less then people from other states. A perfectly defendable position i'm sure.

[Buve]

67. hell

Hell, he wants some peoples votes to not count at all

[TheDoorbellRang]

80. What are you talking about?

Obama just wants blue state voters to be worth 10% less then people from other states.

What do you mean? As my old math teacher would say: "Please show your proof."

[randr]

68. And how many Republicans voted for her?

Republicans that will not vote for her in the general election?

[Orsino]

69. Heh. Except for the ones who voted for the other guy.

Would be funny if he winds up with the most delegates from the caucusing. Would you be able to accept that truth as well?

[tekisui]

71. Out of 2.4 million, her win was by less than 100,000.

It was very close.

[0007]

73. I didn't know that. I'll call Bill Clinton right away sire.

[0007]

72. OMFG!! cough cough! grrrrrrr

[jmg257]

74. And they can have her! "All hat and no cattle.." (and only a very few delegates)

[ORDem]

77. Who TF cares? Texas is not going blue in November anyway. n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

83. If they really wanted Hillary...

they should have stuck around for the caucus.

[amborin]

86. Hillary won Texas, yeah Hillary!!!!!