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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:12 AM
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Hillary gets a "re-vote" in florida.. maybe we should just restart the whole election for her.
give her another fair shot.

and we have to use a handicap, of course.. every vote for obama only counts as half a vote.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:13 AM
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1. I agree. Seat the delegates as is.
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 06:37 AM
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12. As an Obama supporter, I agree
Give her the 50% of the total delegates she earned in MI and FL (neither were winner take all), send the rest in uncommitted.

Guess what, she still isn't ahead of Barrack Obama.

MI & FL won't help Hillary win.

Rezko won't help Hillary win.

Even Hillary won't help Hillary win anymore.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:15 AM
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2. Link?
I think this actually would be advantageous for Obama at this point, I'm sure things have shifted his way in FL since the first vote.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:22 AM
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5. "a repeat of the Democratic presidential primary"
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a_Z...

Florida Governor Charlie Crist said he'd support a repeat of the Democratic presidential primary so the state's delegates can be counted at the party's national convention.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said he's open to the possibility. Primary elections are paid for by a state's taxpayers, so the offer from Crist, a Republican, is ``very helpful'' because money is an issue, Dean said.

``We're very willing to listen to the people of Florida,'' Dean said on CNN's ``Late Edition'' program today.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:15 AM
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3. What are you talking about?
:shrug:
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:20 AM
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4. a "Firehouse Caucus" has always been in the rules. using it is not cheating.
This is the only fair way to deal with the situation, assuming everyone wants to abide by the rules and not disenfranchise anyone.


Seating delegates earned against party rules would be cheating.

Not allowing any contest would be disenfranchising.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:24 AM
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6. "every vote for obama only counts as half a vote"
Maybe we should just make it 3/5ths. I'm sure Hillary would be fine with that.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:27 AM
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9. Ooh, BURN!!!
;-)
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:28 AM
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10. Oh, man...
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 02:30 AM by TomInTib
edited because I thought that I had misspelled "vicious" (Iam not accustomed to typing that word).



You are vicious...

And fu**ing hilarious!

I love it.

3/5ths.....


Tom

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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:26 AM
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7. And if that doesn't work, best 3 out of 5. nt
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:27 AM
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8. If there is a re-vote in Florida, that would be against what the H Clinton campaign wants.
The Hillary Clinton campaign wants the vote which already took place to count.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:54 AM
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11. Right. A revote at this point would be more to Obama's advantage. n/t
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shoemia Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:16 PM
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13. In All Seriousness...
The idea of a re-vote is a joke, however...


As it stands, the Michigan and Florida delegates cannot be seated according to their original Primary votes. Obama's name wasn't on the ballot in Michigan, and neither candidate was allowed to campaign here in Florida, which severely handicapped the lesser-known Obama.


In nearly every state (at least for the past several elections), the trend has been the same... Clinton leading by 25 points, then 10, then 5, then a tie, then Obama wins. There is a reason candidates campaign before elections. An election without campaigning makes no sense.


It is essential for the Democratic party to be, well, "democratic". Unfair elections cannot, and should not, count toward selecting the Democratic nominee. However, at this point, neither candidate will be able to secure the 2,025 delegates needed to become the nominee. Therefore, there are only three (3) logical solutions:


1) Don't seat the Michigan and Florida delegates.


2) Split the delegates 50/50 to help give the leading candidate enough delegates to win the nomination.


3) Hold a REAL Democratic Primary/Caucus to undo all the damage of the first (unfair) result.


In the case of option 3...


Voters must be given at least 30 days' notice to change their voter registration, if necessary, from "Independent" to "Democrat", and the candidates must be given time to campaign in Florida. This would provide an unquestionably fair and accurate result!
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