What a treat getting to see Bob Shrum talk about the primaries on MTP!

[hiaasenrocks]

For those of you who don't know, he's held many speech-writing, high-level consulting and strategy positions in lots of presidential campaigns. Here's a summary of his political expertise and acumen:

-George McGovern (general election loss)
-1980 Ted Kennedy (primary loss)
-1988 Dick Gephardt (primary loss)
-1988 Michael Dukakis (general election loss)
-1992 Bob Kerrey (primary loss)
-2000 Al Gore (general election loss)
-2004 John Kerry (general election loss)


Yeah, that Shrum is really the go-to guy for political analysis, huh?

[Mojambo]

He's like the Buffalo Bills of presidential politics. n/t

[Hand]

1. Where these morans come from is beyond me.

I'm quite encouraged to see that McCain has Charlie Black for a campaign advisor. He's the Republican Bob Shrum. :evilgrin:

[BeatleBoot]

2. Shrum cost Kerry the Election in 2004

A case can be made, yes.

[blm]

4. Kerry won. The RNC stole it for Bush and McAuliffe's DNC let them do it. Carville helped alot, too,

on election night, didn't he?


http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354



http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Hillary2008 - running since.....

[hiaasenrocks]

6. Did you see all the Pulitzers won b/c of that story?

[blm]

11. As if..... odd that a historian of Brinkley'd calibre didn't get traction with corpmedia

over his observations -


http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

And Woodward's revelations didn't get any attention whatsoever from any mainstream news outlet, did it?

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[Nitrogenica]

3. That whole panel sucked ass.

I sent an e-mail to MSNBC regarding pundits with little to no credibility.

[hiaasenrocks]

7. I don't mind the other three.

Each had something interesting and new to say, and that's what I'm looking for, whether I agree with what I'm hearing or not. I know I'll get blasted for that and called a "Freeper" or something, but someone else will have to care about that because I won't. Anyway, Shrum is just a dolt and proven loser many, many times over.

[Patsy Stone]

5. Used to be

when he came on the TV, it took all I had not to stick forks in my eyes.

But thanks to Ickes, Penn, and Wolfson, he now looks like some kind of wizened political genius.

:eyes:

[blm]

8. Ickes, Penn, Wolfson and Carville were working AGAINST Shrum's candidates in 2000 and 2004.

.

[Adelante]

10. It's true!!

I've been thinking the same thing. You know, he's not so bad, after all. :D

[blm]

12. But now we also know how 2000 and 2004 were being undermined from within. Rove wasn't

working alone - he had some key Dems in powerful positions who also didn't want Gore or Kerry to get their votes counted.


http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354


http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[Patsy Stone]

13. These people sucked then

and they suck now.

I know Shrum was up against a lot, but with his track record, you still could point to him as a pretty big loser. But these guys blew leads Shrum could have only dreamt of, and wasted a lot of time, energy, and money in the process. If their goal in life is getting HRC elected, they should have had a plan.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

9. Delishrumticious!

:woohoo: