This makes me sad...another vocal Hillary supporter has decided to leave DU.

[samdogmom]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x165220

Why is this happening? We're supposed to be the good guys!

[Name removed]

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[scheming daemons]

2. Because Hillary supporters have decided they'd rather....

...if Hillary can't win, then NO Democrat can.

They are doing the work of the Repukes to make sure that... since Hillary won't make it this time... they prepare the waters for her to run in 2012.


Hillary supporters, for the most part, have been "Hillary First, Party Second" on this forum.


They refuse to see the writing on the wall, and want to take their ball and go home.

[greguganus]

3. I wonder if those leaving will be voting for McLame or Vader. n/t

[SIMPLYB1980]

4. But Obama says himself that his voters won't vote for Clinton.

Many of his "supporters" and supporters on here say the same thing.

[Adelante]

6. And her supporters are saying they will vote for McCain

:shrug:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

16. I am DYING to see a link to anyone who has consistently supported her make that idiotic remark.

Newbies who come here and say "im for Hilery cuz Obama SUX" don't count.

Why have intelligence, perception and articulation become in such short suppl here? When that is the currency in which this message board trades?

[Name removed]

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[BleedingHeartPatriot]

One poster, called out, no link. Would you like me to list the Sen.Obama supporters who go negative

on a continuous basis?

[Alexander]

73. If any of them say they'll vote McCain over Hillary, then yes I would.

However jlake is a frequent, vocal and obnoxious presence here at DU, unlikely to be matched by any Obama supporters.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

81. Oh, so not only calling out but actually continuing the attack. I am not instantly familiar

with name, but to attack another poster with this kind of abandon is sort of alarming.

I asked for a link, not for the name.

Are you waiting for others to pile on?

[Alexander]

113. You have a star. Run a search.

You'll find it. I'll bet money that you will, if only you look.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

93. You might want to provide a link, otherwise you're headed toward character assassination.

Alert time.

[Alexander]

128. You're perfectly capable of running a search. Do it yourself.

I'm not going to waste time finding these posts from an obnoxious Shillbot whom you conveniently don't recognize, even though their tripe is all over the GD: P front page every day (including today).

[Alexander]

7. Yeah, black people will turn out in droves for race-baiting Hillary.

:eyes:

He's just telling the truth - the Clinton attempts to swiftboat him on race will cause a drop in their support among black voters if she's nominated.

Which, thankfully, won't happen.

[springhill]

31. Get a Clue........

The Clinton never race baited. You want to believe the media hype, go right ahead, after all, ignornace is bliss to many on this board.

[Alexander]

82. I prefer knowledge to clues. You seem to have neither.

First it's "he's a Muslim and went to a madrassa".

Then Obama's the "imaginary hip black friend".

Then Bill Clinton said Obama's "just like Jesse Jackson", after calling his IWR opposition a "fairy tale".

Bob Kerrey couldn't hesitate to remind people that his name is "Barack Hussein Obama".

Bill Shaheen suggested that Obama "sold drugs".

Cuomo was fond of using the phrase "shuck and jive".

Hillary Clinton said "It took a president to get it done" regarding the Civil Rights movement (what, no Dr. King?).

Then she compares an Obama election to Gordon Brown - "Tony Blair leaves, Gordon Brown comes in, the very next day, there are terrorist attacks."

Not to be outdone, Bill Clinton then says "Hillary has an enormous amount of African American support and Barack Obama has a lot of white people for him. There's still some African Americans who support Barack, even though they like Hillary, because they think he is the first African American to have a chance to be president."

So, care to take back your last post?

[Bullet1987]

8. I agree with Scheming

a lot of the new people who have joined in the past year were only here for Clinton or Obama anyway. But the new Obama people have no reason to leave...lol. DU is too liberal for some folks and they were just here to talk about the election and since she doesn't seem to be getting the nomination...they're packing up camp and leaving. Why do you think so many DLC apologists have shown up in the past few months when they wouldn't normally be here?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

9. I'm a supporter and I don't meet ANY of your descriptions. You are talking out of your ass.

[Bullet1987]

116. I didn't say everybody now did I...

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

131. Not to me. I saw your post further upthread. You've confused me with someone else.

But, I've seen you confuse poster responses before.

I'm surprised you showed up for me, I have to check my ignore list.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

10. I agree and that's a reason not to support Hillary . . .

if she wins the nomincation or gets the VP slot, but not to leave the board. No one wins if the disenchanted simply walk away.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

21. I don't think of TX and OH "in the bag", so Sen. Obama's supporters

still have the potential to have to make that switch in reverse. I would wager there would be more of them leaving if the situation is reversed, than Clinton supporters if he wins.

[grantcart]

42. the other curious thing is that 90% of the Obama supporters here

started with someone else. Why are there so many Clinton supporters that resist the idea they may have gotten it wrong. It is all extremely narcissitic.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

47. Now we're narcissitic??? Although narcisism is something with which you seem familiar.

[rodeodance]

54. We do not like have "writing on the wall" rudely smacked at us! Esp. when

the writing on the wall comes from the Obama camp.
you have some nerve blaming us for this.

[Shine]

5. People come and go all the time.

sometimes it's worthwhile to take a break from this place.

[samdogmom]

14. Perhaps you're right!

Full Disclosure: I'm an Obama supporter but I just thought it was sad that such an active DU participant decided to call it quits. I want to win in November and I don't want to piss off potential supporters so much that they can't hear what the ultimate Democratic nominee is saying! That's all.

Peace.

[JVS]

23. Correct

[Justyce]

11. DU has turned more into Obama Underground lately. It's easy for anyone

else to feel unwelcome. I will support him if he gets the nom of course, but I don't feel comfortable with the rabid blind support of ANY candidate... Or the pure hatred of another democratic candidate. We all need to have our eyes open regarding all candidates, representatives, etc. None of them are perfect. I hope things calm down around here eventually. I wish more people here could have discussions/disagreements about actual issues rather than the childish crap being posted.

[Occam Bandage]

12. Well, yeah. It's become obvious he's the nominee. We're supporting our Democratic nominee.

[Justyce]

18. Then we must have a different definition of "supporting" a candidate. nt

[Alexander]

17. Earth to Justyce - Obama's winning.

Of course most of DU supports him. He's four days away from being the presumptive nominee.

[Justyce]

22. I think you missed the point I was trying to make, not merely that

the majority here "supports" him. I was referring to the childish viciousness with which it's being done around here. (And that works both ways, but since there are more Obama supporters on here...)

[leftynyc]

45. Just because some of his supporters

are monumental assholes shouldn't stop people from voting for him. People say stupid stuff on anonmymous boards and might even be trolls trying to stir shit up. Pay them no mind.

[Justyce]

50. I completely agree, none of the crap that goes on

on message boards should affect people's votes. I'm not referring to not voting for a candidate -- I'm just griping about the tone on this site lately in general... just ignore me ;)

[samdogmom]

36. Justyce--PLEASE don't equate a few on DU with Obama!

He's not even on these boards as far as I know. We are just regular people here--some of us are okay and some of us are jerks! But not one of us is Obama. He is who he is--we are just his supporters--good or bad.

Please try NOT to write off Obama just because some of his supporters on DU are jerks!

[Justyce]

43. Oh, definitely not. I agree -- we certainly

can't hold any of the candidates responsible for what their supporters do.

[Scurrilous]

13. I'm never leaving..

...at least voluntarily.


DU: From my cold, dead hands! :thumbsup:

[LostinVA]

15. MarrahG has been a real asset to DU for a long time

One of THE most normal, balanced posters on here -- bar none.

It's very sad. She's a good egg,a nd someone this place needs.

[samdogmom]

20. Thank you!

See my post above (#33).

I appreciate your coming into this dudgeon hole and trying to prevail!

[LostinVA]

28. I'm glad you posted this, because I know YOU see beyond the candidates

And know who is a good poster and who isn't, regardless of what avatar they sport!


People who are gloating and calling her trollish and a troll are blinded by their partisanship. Marrah is such a great progressive and such a nice poster. She's never played easy with trolls or pot stirrers, and that apparently ahs some people's backs up about her.

[samdogmom]

94. Thank you LostinVA!

Peace?

I truly hope we can come together in November!

(I must say, that some of these threads give me pause and make me concerned that we'll never unite! YIKES!)

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

100. Indeed. Thanks for saying this.

[PassingFair]

154. A lot of normal, balanced posters have become seriously UNBALANCED

...in recent weeks.

Judging from the tenor of some of her
recent posts, she is letting her emotions
get the best of her.

Perhaps her self-imposed break is for the
best....

[Mountainman]

24. Take a step back and look at what DU has turned into. The rabid posters in GD primaries have made a

cesspool for themselves. It's a wonder to me that more people aren't leaving. I will never understand how this could have happened. I don't care what side you are on you all suck in my book.

[Jamastiene]

158. More are thinking about it or leaving without saying so.

Take a look around. It's eerie.

[mohc]

25. What seems to be missing

For far too many on this board, is that it is possible that reasonable people will disagree with them. Some try to rationalize it by saying that those who support the other candidate only do so because they have been tricked. Others say it is because of some sort of prejudice. Some will blame the media for being biased. I happen to think that both Clinton or Obama would make good presidents. I strongly prefer Obama, but should he fall short I would not hesitate to support Clinton. I have not been duped, I hold no prejudices against Clinton, and I have not let the media make my decision for me. And for those that support Clinton, I will not make any similar assumptions. If someone wants to make an argument for their candidate, if they start with the mindset that there is no rational way someone could support the other candidate, they are guaranteed to lose their argument. Because at that point what you are really arguing is not that the other candidate is not as strong a choice, but the person you are trying to convince is either stupid, gullible, or prejudiced. It simply will not work. Abandoning this board because others disagree with you is not very mature.

[LSK]

29. that is a great summary of what is happening here

:thumbsup:

[LostinVA]

33. That's not why she left

[mohc]

48. She does not really say in her goodbye post

My assumption is that the "last straw" was the decision of a thread she posted being locked. The thread was comparing two other threads, one that was locked and another that was not, and was questioning the decision to lock only one. In fairness, she opposed both of the threads in question, so she does not fit the profile of the irrational supporter. The only thing I would question is a decision to leave based on a perceived bias. Then again, we really have no idea why she left, but to the bigger argument of why more Clinton supporters are leaving I believe my reply was correct. Also, I have no doubt that if Obama were losing, there would be plenty of goodbye posts from irrational Obama supporters.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

65. Thanks mohc.

That makes so much sense. :headbang:

[LSK]

26. and they call Obama supporters as cultist

Projection at its finest on display for all to see.

[LostinVA]

35. Marrah_G hasn't projected anything, but you apparently are

Is she on this thread saying why she's leaving? Why do all of you just jump to a certain conclusion? You are beyond wrong and quite rude and presumptuous. And, if you actually knew this poster's posting history, you'd know how damned off the mark you are.

God.

:eyes:

[LSK]

38. you are right

I am jumping to conclusions.

And I am also pissed at the whole cultist accusation on both sides.

[LostinVA]

61. But the poster in question hasn't done that

That's what's really pissing me off about some comments up thread.

She really has been a great asset to DU. I said to Haruka months ago that Marrah_G is probably the nicest, least flamey poster on DU. I meant it then and I mean it now. I believe she has been saddened and hurt by some things on here lately, which I think we can both appreciate, eh?

[LSK]

101. yes, and I should have just said she should avoid GDP

[Frances]

27. ALL DUers: Ask yourselves this simple question

Would Obama want his supporters to alienate Dem voters? Would Hillary?

Those people who write snarky posts about the supporters of one candidate or the other forget that the whole point is to get a Dem in the White House.

And that won't happen if people act like grade-schoolers.

If we are going to win in November, we need to act like adults and respect ALL Dems.

[Occam Bandage]

34. The problem, Frances, is that

the blame for people being upset is often laid at the wrong feet. Too many here refuse to believe that other Democrats might have honest disagreements on who would be a better candidate; it's incomprehensible that someone might have fairly judged their candidate inferior. Therefore, when they come across someone who does not buy their arguments, they assume that person is a cultist, is sexist, is racist, is deluded, is a victim of MSM spin/bias, whatever. They think there's no possibility of dialogue. And they either get nasty or they leave.

Those that leave are either:

1. No longer enjoying a primary-season environment.
2. Frustrated that their candidate has lost.

The fact that so many Hillary-supporter defections are occurring as it becomes apparent that she has lost the race for the nomination lends a great deal of doubt to the proposition that Obama supporters are to blame.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

37. Do you think that TX and OH are a done deal?

[Occam Bandage]

39. To the extent that it will matter, yes. She isn't going to get

the 65%+ majorities that she'd need to open a path to the nomination. Absolute best-case scenario for her is that she picks up a handful of delegates in Ohio and splits Texas evenly. That is very unlikely, and even if that occurs, she is no closer to the nomination than if she lost both.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

40. Appreciate the response.

I heard about some internal TX polls that had me wondering.

[NastyRiffraff]

44. The fact is that Hillary's supporters no longer feel welcome here

I'm not laying the blame on all of Obama's supporters; there are some very good, fair-minded people here who support Obama.

But it's clear that a very vocal few get their jollies by insulting, denagrading, even threatening Hillary people. Threads that praise her is quickly hijacked with insults, and those include some started by good, thoughtful Obama supporters. Hillary and her supporters are routinely insulted with impunity, but any criticism of Obama, however mild, is quickly shouted down often with sexual overtones.

What people lose sight of is that if Obama wins the nomination Obama will need our support, and I'm not talking about just voting. Most of us will vote for the Democratic nominee. But if we have a sour taste in our mouths thanks to being constantly insulted by Obama's supporters, we're not likely to do anything but hold our noses and vote.

[Lisa0825]

49. The same things happen to Obama threads by Clinton supporters.

Please folks.... this shit goes BOTH WAYS! For a while, it was a total Obama-bash-fest. Now that Obama is in the lead, it seems to me to be more even with bashers on both sides. I think it's human nature that we NOTICE slights against our chosen candidate more than slights against others'. But make no mistake - this is not a one-way deal.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

53. Of course it's both sides. That's why reasoned folks, such as you and me,

both of whom support different DEMOCRATIC candidates, need to keep our wits about us.

:toast:

[Lisa0825]

55. Yeah, it just drives me NUTS everytime I see someone

making statements as if its all us and their side is totally innocent and persecuted.

:toast:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

59. Especially for those of us who like spirited debate. :-)

Once that "us against them" canard is tossed out, it removes the chance of continued intelligent discourse. :spank:

[Lisa0825]

68. Exactly!!!

:argh:

LOL

[Occam Bandage]

87. And I am absolutely certain that if Hillary were winning,

Obama supporters would rationalize their departures by claiming that Hillary supporters were making Obama supporters feel unwelcome. I know this for fact because I recall back when it looked like Hillary was inevitable, and Obama supporters were complaining that Hillary supporters were trying to drive them out of the party, and they wouldn't do more than hold their nose and vote for Hillary (if that).

"X supporters are mean" is only a rationalization of your own feelings, not a statement on the actual dynamics of this board.

[akbacchus_BC]

105. As a Canadian I implore the supporters of both

Senators to refrain from attacking each other. You have two fine candidates and whichever one wins the nomination, he/she will do Americans and the world proud. Some of us in Canada cannot wait for a Democrat to take back the White House. I have noticed some really vile comments from supporters from both sides and that is uncalled for. It is so refreshing to see mature supporters on both sides who call out the snarky ones. This is not a fight between the Democratic candidates, this is a fight again McCain, please channel your negativity in his direction. There will only be one Democratic nominee and the party has to unite to win in November. To Obama supporters, it is not a given that Senator Obama will win the nomination, so please do not count your chickens before they are hatched, the tides could turn come Tuesday. Be nice to each other and be supportive, the world is counting on you.

[JVS]

120. Vive le Quebec, vive le Quebec libre!

[Frances]

133. For what it's worth,

I debated a very long time before deciding who to vote for in my primary. I could see pro and con arguments for each candidate.

Finally, I voted for Hillary.

Since I think Obama will probably win the nomination and since I fully intend to support him, I avoid controversial threads as much as I can. I don't want Obama DU SUPPORTERS to turn me off to Obama in the general the way they did in the primary.

[KAZ]

30. Hopefully, it will just be temporary. Everyone's nerves are

frayed.

[Forkboy]

32. That's too bad.

I don't think I agreed that often but she seemed fine by me.

People have to do what they have to do. If she feels this is best it probably is.

[elixir]

41. That's too bad, the fight has just begun. Hillary is right on Obama's heels and everyone loves an

underdog.

[Eurobabe]

46. It's really nice that some long time DU'ers have the Obamaunderground.god

Signature line. Obviously Hillary supporters.

Makes me question THEIR level of maturity. :eyes:

[Lisa0825]

52. Yeah, and remember "cult madness."

Sure... no immaturity from Hillary supporters... it's allllllll us.... uh huh. :eyes:

[rodeodance]

57. silly, It came from a story in the Sacramento Bee--about an Obama camp..

live with it.

[rodeodance]

51. I think the Bitter Fruit post was the last straw for some!

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

56. Yep.

Very instructive, that post.

[Beausoir]

60. "Strange Fruit". And it really was despicable. Lowest of the low.

[rodeodance]

84. yes--Strange Fruit Campaign---you are right about the title and it lowness!

[MethuenProgressive]

62. That thread was the lowest any DUbama has even gone.

A video that all should hear:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=98844&mesg_id=98844

[NorthernSpy]

72. that was posted AFTER Hillary supporters threatened a "backlash against blacks"...

... for supporting Obama instead of Clinton.

So as over-the-top as that "Strange Fruit" metaphor may have seemed to some, it didn't come entirely out of the blue.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4578267&mesg_id=4578267


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4585961&mesg_id=4586160

[Beausoir]

74. That was a troll who has now been Tombstoned. The author of the Lynching thread has been here

for ages. Lowest of the low.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

108. This is so remiscent, isn't it? Only we got the

knives in the back much later in the campaign cycle, last time.

[NorthernSpy]

127. thing is, that "troll" was just another Hillary supporter until he finally went too far...

People agreed with him, and people recommended his threads -- even though they tended strongly in the direction of invidious race-baiting.


So no -- that thread you're complaining about didn't just come out of nowhere, and you know it didn't.

[MethuenProgressive]

76. He comapres her campaign to LYNCHINGS two weeks later, and you approve?

He comapred the Clinton Campaign to LYNCHING - and you excuse it away?
I hate what you DUbamas have done to DU.

[NorthernSpy]

129. so a Hillary supporter threatens a "backlash against blacks" and you condone that?

Two can play at that game, "MethuenProgressive"


:eyes:

[CyberPieHole]

67. what bitter fruit post? n/t

[rodeodance]

85. sorry--it was strange fruit but

here.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4761164

[SIMPLYB1980]

114. Now they lock the thread. Way after it should have been.

Thanks mods great job.:sarcasm:

[rodeodance]

119. i know!!

[samdogmom]

141. Thanks for the link! n/t

[samdogmom]

111. Can you give a link? Please?

[Guava Jelly]

58. I am sorry that anyone feels they have to leave

But I understand..
It has been pretty nasty lately.
:(

[RetroLounge]

63. Because Obama supports post LYNCHING threads

then support them, rec them, and whine when it is pointed 0ut.

This place is a fucking cesspool.

I will be sitting this election out.

RL

[LostinVA]

64. It's sad what DU has become, isn't it?

I used to love this place.

[RetroLounge]

69. Yeah, well, I guess I just don't like cults...

This place sucks ass.

:hi:

RL

[bicentennial_baby]

78. Do you consider me to be a cult member?

[RetroLounge]

86. No. I'm sad because good people can support a candidate

and be associated with total assholes who post lyching threads, and the threads get recommended, and supported, and remain in place.

This isn't even about a candidate.

Your posts and your support have been just fine, in fact, I was ready to support no matter who wins. Including Obama.

But when i see long-time posters driven off DU, and the disgusting behavior of other long-time DU'ers gloating and telling others that they are not needed, that their messiah doesn't need our votes?

Well, then it's time to say fuck this election. You don't need me? you don't have me.

RL

[bicentennial_baby]

117. Well I hope you know I've never said anything like that...

And, I don't take DUers shit attitudes too seriously, or I would have no candidate to support. Frankly, I wish *everyone* would step back and not take threads in here so seriously.

:shrug:

:pals:

[RetroLounge]

123. of course i know you and sniffa wouldn't say that

:hug:

RL

[samdogmom]

142. As a fellow Wisconsinite who has followed your bookstore opening dreams...

Please reconsider not voting in November, Retrolounge! Our party needs you! I truly don't know who the ultimate candidate will be--but either one is head and shoulders above Sen. McCrazy! Are you truly serious about not voting?

If so, I'm very sad--and I used to live in Milwaukee County, I moved to a little town north of Madison nearly 10 years ago.

Sincerely,

A fellow Wisconsinite!

[RetroLounge]

144. Oh, I get frustrated and spout off...

But when push comes to shove, I'll be supporting our candidate and voting Democratic.

Anything is better than President McCain.

:hi:

RL

[samdogmom]

147. Love you!

:hi: back!

[bicentennial_baby]

149. Whew! You scared me!!

I didn't dare ask when we were texting. :P

But really, you scared me! :o

[JVS]

132. Yes

Cult of teh Awesomez!

[cali]

um, no. I strongly condemned that thead

and so did other Obama supporters. Yes, 29 or them rec'd it, but that's a minority of active Obama supporters here.

[RetroLounge]

71. Only takes a few assholes...

and your side has them in droves.

RL

[cali]

79. there are more Obama supporters here but

there are plenty of asshole Clinton supporters posting vile slime too. Anyone who can't see that is just biased by partisanship.

[RetroLounge]

88. Do you EVER answer anythingwithout blaming the other side?

You sound exectly like my 7 year old.

"He started it!"

"He did it too."

Half of GDP needs a fucking time out.

RL

[cali]

118. what childish tantrum behavior from you.

How interesting that you do what you accuse me of. Projection, much? I wasn't blaming anyone, my dear. I was pointing out a simple fact. You on the other hand, are kicking your little feet and whining. The fact is that their are people on both sides who are posting reprehensible things about the candidates. You need to calm down and take your own advice about a time out.

[RetroLounge]

124. Whatever you say, cupcake.

RL

[NastyRiffraff]

77. The fact that the "Strange Fruit" thread was originated by someone I used to respect...

...really got to me. I had thought that the worst of the insults were being delivered by immature people who were just trying to get attention...even negative attention. But that post proved me wrong. I was horrified by the attempt to compare the Clinton campaign to lynching. That's so far over the line that the line is obliterated. Thank God it's been finally locked.

[RetroLounge]

89. It deserved a fucking tombstone.

disgusting beyond the pale.

RL

[rodeodance]

90. I agree, I was

appalled when i saw the poster's name.

and it a long time to get it locked.

[LostinVA]

96. Wait -- it was just locked -- why?

I thought it was an appropriate thread.

The FIRST time I saw the title of that thread, I was like,"Oh please, tell me someone didn't do that!" They did.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

134. I'm pretty sure just about anyone who knows jazz songs condemned that thread.

Dumbest one in a long time, insulting to Obama supporters everywhere as well as to the memory of Billie Holliday.

x(

[RetroLounge]

135. Agreed...

:hi:

RL

[WritingIsMyReligion]

145. :>)

:hi:

[CyberPieHole]

66. That's a shame...

this place sure does stink most of the time. I can't blame her.

:hi: to you samdogmom

[samdogmom]

139. Hi, back!

Thanks for stopping by! I think it's been a whole week since we first met in a Obama vs. Clinton thread! Gosh how things change! Or not!

Do you think we'll ever get it together--us crazy Obama supporters and you equally passionate Clinton supporters?

Good lord guys--all you have to do is read Matt Taibbi's article in "Rolling Stone" about McCain and the petty fighting will stop in seconds! This guy is a crazy, war-mongering monster. We truly don't need the likes of him as "Commander in Chief". Read the article and then post back--it's very SCARY!

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18721308/mccain_resurrected

[LittleClarkie]

70. GBCW posts suck. Just leave if you feel like leaving, and come back when you feel like coming back

I just do it without fanfare.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

80. This place doesn't seem to lend itself to reason, lately. So, posters

post less than reasonable things.

I don't know what there is to do about it.

[LittleClarkie]

125. Just wait for the end of primary season, I'm afraid

Can't end soon enough.

[femrap]

75. I can understand why....

Lots of naive newbies and probably lots of paid Repugnant moles, as well.

Take advantage of that IGNORE BUTTON! It's a blessing.

[Beausoir]

83. Well, the lynching thread has been locked. I hope Marrah got to see that, at least.

Thanks to her, finally, we got enough people to alert, and it is now closed.

[MethuenProgressive]

92. It wasn't locked a few hours ago, I wonder why it took DAYS to finally lock it?

Congrats, admin, and thanks.

[Beausoir]

95. Thanks indeed! That was really horrible.

[MethuenProgressive]

104. I hate what the DUbamas have done to DU.

That thread being allowed to saty up for days and days while so many alerted on it and wrote mods and admin about it... DU has fallen into the abyss.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

97. It's about fuckin time!!

The author of that disgusting thread has earned himself a place on my ignore list.

[NoodleyAppendage]

91. Good Riddance. Hillary supporters are DINO/DLC, pro-corporate supporters...

Hillary was NEVER popular at DU until her 3rd place finish in Iowa, after which her minions decided it might be important to sway grassroots opinion.

j

[LostinVA]

99. I'm a Hillary supporter and a Democratic Socialist, hardly a DINO

Last time I checked, this wasn't Obamaunderground, Noodly.

[NoodleyAppendage]

107. Then...how do you square your socialist ideology with Hillary's pro-corporate stance over the years?

Just wondering why, if you enjoy socialist tenets, you would be in the camp of the candidate that has CONSISTENTLY show herself to be pro-business and beholding to corporate special interests? I would have thought, if you are philosophically consistent, that you were an early supporter of Kucinich, then maybe Edwards, and now would settle for Obama?

J

[LostinVA]

109. They're ALL corporate

Hillary is a much closer match to me than Obama on most issues. I also want a pragmatist, not an idealist in the White House.

[Name removed]

106. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LiberalAndProud]

115. Exemplar.

This is still an informative community, but it is absolutely impossible to have a civil discourse when so many here think they've got a lock on the TRUTH.

There were Hillary supporters here long before this primary and I surely hope they stay long after. They include some of the most thoughtful, critically thinking, respectful members on DU. You don't have to agree, but is it too much to ask that differing opinions get some degree of respect? You don't even have to include the newbie spammers who pop in to litter the board with spam after spam after spam to inform us of the smear of the day. Thoughtful criticism should be welcome, else you're likely to be blind-sided and disillusioned later on. You are supporting an outstanding candidate. That should give you enough confidence to consider another opinion without name calling and calling out.

[LanternWaste]

122. And of course you will be presenting us with...

"Hillary was NEVER popular at DU until her 3rd place finish in Iowa"

And of course you will be presenting us with relevant evidence to that "fact"....?

[NoodleyAppendage]

137. Well...if we had a "way back machine" for DU, you would easily see that Hillary was not popular.

Before her run for the Presidency, Hillary was routinely excoriated by DU for her failure to stand-up to the BFEE and her pro-corporate agenda during her Senatorial career. I know it's an inconvenient fact, but those of us who have been here long before the election know that Hillary was never popular on DU.

J

[LanternWaste]

140. It's not really an inconvenient fact-- it's anecdotal evidence (at best).

It's not really an inconvenient fact-- it's simply your anecdotal evidence (at best).

I've seen her as respected, popular and likable on DU until the primaries. Then, everyone began hating every Democratic candidate out there except for the one they themselves supported.

Yeah... I've been here long enough.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

98. Marrah_G Is More Intelligent, Objective, Thoughtful, And Valuable, Than Most Having The Nerve To

bash her in this thread.

She is well respected and a valued member of DU. Those piling on her due so out of pure ignorance and narrow minded childishness. Course, don't expect any of them to see that.

Marrah, we love you! Take a break and come back soon, ok?

[MethuenProgressive]

102. She is a valuable member, thoughtful and kind.

We need more like her, and less trolls, sockpuppets, and pets.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

103. This reminds me of

liveoaktx.

:-(

[samdogmom]

143. Now you've made me REALLY, REALLY, REALLY sad!

I truly appreciated all of her posts and video links!

(Thank god YouTube filed a big slice of space she left!)

from now on I think all of us need a full disclosure tag!

Mine: (I'm a Kucinich...then Edwards...then Obama supporter. How did you get here?)

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

155. I met her in Crawford, as lovely a person as you'd ever have the pleasure to

meet. The poster who drove her off the board was finally TS'd, but it was after she left. :-(

As far as my arrival to supporting Clinton, I started out uncommitted, although I was leaning a bit toward Richardson, was completely taken by Kucinich (although I appreciated Biden's unscripted, extemporaneous rants :-) ), after Kucinich dropped out to Edwards, and then Clinton, really based on her in depth understanding of our current health care delivery system.

When she talks about improving the system by utilizing outreach programs, via nurses and others specializing in certain illnesses or chronic diseases, instead of having an entirely reactive health care system, well my heart just goes pitter patter, that's the nurse in me.

[samdogmom]

151. I agree and I'm an Obama supporter!

Give it up guys....we're on the SAME SIDE!!!!! She was a thoughtful, informed poster. I will miss her!

[rox63]

110. Marrah_G was a good DUer - I'm sorry to see her go

We disagreed on candidates, but she always seemed to be a reasonable, balanced person. I'll be so glad when the primary wars are over.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

112. Hopefully she'll decide to return when things get back to normal

This is a real shame. She's a great contributor to the site, and I'll miss reading her.

[bridgit]

121. We're not the good guys by default or simply cause we think or say so or cause Boston...

knows admin, or calm ex-pat voices sprinkle words of sage light-hearted comity & wisdom down around screens from keyboards in Canada while the rest of us have to ride these regional transits, and stand in these lines of discontent; we're not the good guys for having the vocal, coddled, accepted 3% ignore the 97% with a snigger & a smirk (that's what makes us just like all the rest)

There's people here that take great pride in being assholes; snippy, snarky, pissy, mean where they have no call to be whatsoever shit-heads. Some get TS'd, some support Clinton, some support Obama, some are only here to tear everything to pieces, some write books, some have blogs...but "the good guys"?

Clearly not lately. Not as mentioned 'just because'.

[LanternWaste]

126. As excited as I was when this seasons primaries took off...

As excited as I was when this seasons' primaries took off, I could almost see my exuberance slowly draining, drip by drip as thumb-nailed idealogical purity tests became a standard measure of a posters "Americanism".

"Oh-- you support Obama? You must be a naive, little dreamer." (Or variations to that)

"Oh-- you support Clinton? You're just another part of the problem!" (Or variations to that one, too)

There was a time, not too long ago, that I felt I learned a LOT from DU. But recently I feel that the VAST majority of posters in GDP simply need a long, quiet time-out from speaking out lest obvious biases become magnified to the point of incivility, dishonor and a banal puerility.


We're treating each other worse than we treat FReepers-- and it's not on an individual basis either, limited only to a dozen or so posters-- it's become an actual part and parcel of GDP.

So yeah-- I'll be damned happy when the primaries are over and done with and we can begin concentrating on our real enemies again (and for anyone who forgot due to your heady and misplaced passion for either candidate-- the enemy is actually the GOP...).

So, may I with both right and conscious say just this to anyone who has in this primary season called another DU poster anything from "stupid" to "authoritarian" to "corporate fascist": FUCK OFF (and look up the classical definition of those words-- 'cause I don't think too many of you know what they really mean)

[paulk]

130. there are plenty of examples on this thread alone

as to why this is happening.

[yourguide]

136. I noticed this poster is on my ignore list.

All I will say is the only people who end up on this list for me are the people who roll out of the gate with personal insults.

I know you guys say she was a great DUer but she certainly came after me simply for supporting a different candidate and having a different opinion. Perhaps, she just got fed up with the contrasting opinions between HRC supported and Barack supporters but I can only speak for myself and she treated me unfairly, and I gave it right back to her.

[JVS]

138. The thing is that many people have been here a long time and think that everyone else remembers them

That everyone remembers the good times.

These primaries are roughly 2 months old and then there was the pre-season, so to speak.

If someone has been in GD:P mode for 2 months, it shouldn't be expected that everyone has warm hearts toward them.

[sniffa]

146. I wish the other Ignoreds will follow suit

:hide:

[JVS]

156. How monstrously cruel of you!

:cry:

;-)

[Breeze54]

148. NOW I"M FUCKING PISSED!!!!!

You motha focking asswipes that want to split this board into two

warring factions and cause valuable friends ...FRIENDS :grr: to leave?!?


To you I say.. FUCK YOU!!!!!! :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke:


Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!
Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!
Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!
Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!
Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!
Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!
Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!

Grow the fuck up, you turd for brains asshats!!!! :grr:

I'm sooooo fucking pissed off right now....

[LaurenG]

150. The pressure is too much for some people

but R/T is a "lively" forum too. I'm not sure what's up but hopefully they'll be back later.

[nonconformist]

152. Come back, Marrah!

Please, we need you.

[Der Blaue Engel]

153. Damn, I should've hung out in this thread today

Instead, I started my own, but didn't want to call any more attention to the Strange Fruit thread so I left it unsaid. I'm so glad to know I'm not alone in being absolutely appalled and saddened by that one.

To me it was the equivalent of equating perceived sexism in Obama's campaign with something like gang rape. Absolutely vile. And it's racist in its own right to trivialize what that song is about by associating it with whatever tactics people feel Clinton is guilty of.

So, yeah, it brought tears to my eyes, even if several DUers found that admission worthy of ridicule.

Ugh. I'm afraid my Ignore list is going to burst and a huge filthy pile of spitting, shrieking trolls, hate-blind fanatics, and pointless pontificators is going to make a big mess all over the forum.

[NC_Nurse]

157. I'm sorry to hear that. I hope she returns after the primary.

:-(