How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary

[BenDavid]

For those that really want to know the truth about who played the race card in this campaign then by all means please read the entire article. It is what we hrc supporters have known all along but we hope right thinking people will also read it and come away asking questions and above all, see obama as he really is...I do thank you.

excerpt:After several weeks of swooning, news reports are finally being filed about the gap between Senator Barack Obama's promises of a pure, soul-cleansing "new" politics and the calculated, deeply dishonest conduct of his actually-existing campaign. But it remains to be seen whether the latest ploy by the Obama camp--over allegations about the circulation of a photograph of Obama in ceremonial Somali dress--will be exposed by the press as the manipulative illusion that it is.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

[SoFlaJet]

1. at this point we need less and less of this stuff Ben

all it does is inflame the board and make people hate each other-consider it

[Kittycat]

3. Agreed.

It's really time that we back off on these misleading attacks filled with spin and conjecture. Let's just focus on the issues, and not being so hateful.

[SoFlaJet]

4. this poster made a good point in my thread yesterday and I tend to agree

Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-27-08 11:07 PM
Response to Original message
58. At this point, these sorts of threads are almost pointless flamefest.
Let's just get to March 4th, try to stay calm, and take it from there

[MethuenProgressive]

28. Thanks very much, Ben. There's still time for the Party to snap out of it.

Before it's too late.

[rodeodance]

101. I do not think so---debate is good--its the namecalling-changing the subject

what have you-that is wrong when people are trying to have a discussion on an important issue.

[anamandujano]

108. Less and less truth favors BO--no can do.

[maddiejoan]

2. K&R

I've been saying this all along --a pity this article comes so late in the game.

[ProSense]

5. Hillary's campaign pushes story linking Obama to former terrorists

link

Hillary surrogate Tubb Jones claims Obama is Somalian

More on the Hillary campaign's race and gender baiting

The entire argument in the OP article is based on the health care and NAFTA mailers. Hillary's lies regarding those two pieces got a full hearing and were exposed in the recent debate.

[MethuenProgressive]

95. Your links are all to some ObamaSheep's fantasy DU posts.

Desperation, thy name is ObamaSheep.

[rodeodance]

121. I am glad to see a historian begin to ask questions.

[Name removed]

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[ProSense]

8. I read it

The entire argument in the OP article is based on the health care and NAFTA mailers, and they provide links to the now debunked claims. Hillary's lies regarding those two pieces got a full hearing and were exposed in the recent debate.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

10. what are you Evellyn Wood?

[ProSense]

15. Are you pretending this story wasn't posted here before? n/t

[rodeodance]

38. do you tell that to Obama folk they continuly re-post stories.?

[ProSense]

45. I don't care if people posts stories more than once, the response was to the "Evellyn Wood" comment

Are you pretending not to have known that?

[rodeodance]

51. not pretending at all. --but glad to hear to not objecting. thanks

[rodeodance]

39. You missed the main thesis of the story now didn't you. The title is a clue

[ProSense]

46. No, the support for the title are the mailers, which just goes to show how bogus the article is. n/t

[rodeodance]

the flyers were a bit of evidence--its the WHOLE story that matters--your distracting

from thesis is telling.

[Submariner]

7. So Obama instructed Big Dog to mention Jesse Jackson in SC?

Obama instructed that Clinton supporting idiot to mention the drug use?

Pretty sly that Obama guy. :crazy:

[rodeodance]

37. "Not everyone agreed with the race-baiting charge--including Jesse Jackson himself. ":

When asked by a reporter on primary day why it would take two Clintons to beat Obama, the former president, in good humor, laughed and said that he would not take the bait:

Jesse Jackson won in South Carolina twice in '84 and '88 and he ran a good campaign. And Senator Obama's run a good campaign. He's run a good campaign everywhere. He's a good candidate with a good organization.

According to Obama and his supporters, here was yet another example of subtle race-baiting. Clinton had made no mention of race. But by likening Jackson's victories and Obama's impending victory and by praising Obama as a good candidate not simply in South Carolina but everywhere, Clinton was trying to turn Obama into the "black" candidate and racialize the campaign. Or so the pro-Obama camp charged.

Clinton's sly trick, supposedly, was to mention Jackson and no other Democrat who had previously prevailed in South Carolina--thereby demeaning Obama's almost certain victory as a "black" thing. But the fact remains that Clinton, who watches internal polls closely and is an astute observer, knew whereof he spoke: when the returns were counted, Obama's and Jackson's percentages of the overall vote and the key to their victories--a heavy majority among blacks--truly were comparable. The only other Democrats Clinton could have mentioned would have been himself (who won more than two-thirds of the vote in 1992, far more than either Jackson or Obama) and John Edwards (who won only 45 percent in 2004, far less than either Jackson or Obama). Given the differences, given that by mentioning himself, Clinton could have easily been criticized for being self-congratulatory, and given that Edwards had not yet dropped out of the 2008 race, the omissions were not at all surprising. By mentioning Jackson alone, the former president was being accurate--and, perhaps, both modest and polite. But Obama's supporters willfully hammered him as a cagey race-baiter.

Not everyone agreed with the race-baiting charge--including Jesse Jackson himself. Jackson noted proudly to Essence magazine that he had, indeed, won in 1984 and 1988, and, even though he had endorsed Obama, criticized the Obama campaign, saying, "again, I think it's some more gotcha politics."

[cali]

9. you're the last person here who should bring

this kind of stuff up. And that's all I'll say.

[Emit]

31. I agree cali

I follow you and that's all I'll say, as well.

[Beacool]

11. I agree!!!

Regardless of what happens on March 4th, this is a deeply held belief of many of us who do not support Obama. The race card was played and it worked quite effectively thanks to the media fanning the flames and to Obama's silence on the matter. He could have come out and said that he had known the Clintons for years and that neither one was a racist. Instead, he remained silent.

When 80% to 90% of one group of people vote for a candidate due in great part to the color of his skin is very disturbing. It would be just as questionable if the same percentage of women had voted for Hillary or of white men had voted for McCain. It is clear that too many of these people voted based on race and not on the issues.

[rodeodance]

12. story is also in Editorials:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=341223&mesg_id=341223

[spotbird]

13. 90% of Republican

support comes from whites.

[jasmine621]

22. And 85% of them will not be voting for Obama in November. nt

[Starbucks Anarchist]

18. Do you have a problem when 90% of blacks vote for white Dems?

[goclark]

89. Good point ~ not a problem when the Clinton's

visited all the Black churches and he moved his office to Harlem.

Not a problem when Blacks stood in line and had their votes not count to vote for every WHITE person that ever ran for office.

Now it's a problem when Blacks want to vote for a person that happens to be Black but embraces all races.

It's about time we stood in line for one of our own and voted for him!

:bounce:

We don't have to ever apologize for that ~ never.

[monktonman]

21. So his silence was a dirty trick??

Please explain. You've got me confused.

[rodeodance]

36. yes his silence did indeed contribute to his horrid saga. Take for instance

the day Hillary made the comment about MLK---immediate O. surrogates and others fanned misinformation/spew. This went on for few days-the stew good toxic-then the evening before a debate-O. says--gee-Hillary's comments were not racial.

Yes. his silence was the 'dirty trick" as you say.

[monktonman]

40. Or maybe your just grasping at straws.

Perhaps he's remained silent about alot of this shit because its not really worth talking about.
Maybe he just wants to stay on point and talk about the issues?

If he came out and told everyone hes known the Clintons for years and doesnt believe they're racist, Clinton supporters would bitch about that as well.
Look at what John Mcdouche is getting....He comes out against some jack-ass using Obama's middle name to scare people and gets blasted on talk radio for it, by his own party!

The racism shit is a fight between the Clintons and the media.
period.

[rodeodance]

So you admit he remailed silent. Excellent starting point.

Perhaps he's remained silent about alot of this shit because its not really worth talking about.
Maybe he just wants to stay on point and talk about the issues?

[monktonman]

66. Huh?

I was repeating a line in the OP.

OK you got me, I was stupid enough to reply and now I'm getting the Hillary beating I deserve.
You win.

Cant wait till March 4!
I will remain silent along with many other Obama supporters until then. Afterwards, I hope you'll come to your senses.
Thanks!

[rodeodance]

71. PROMISE?: "I will remain silent along with many other Obama supporters until then."

[monktonman]

80. Yes I PROMISE

Have fun beating yourselves to death.
oh, and, sorry about your luck.

(by the way, love your handle.)

[rodeodance]

88. hey thanks--best to you.

[Window]

93. Absolutely. He should have remained silent. It was their mess, let them clean it up.

It still would have played out to... damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

And why the following Sunday was Bill Clinton in several black Churches apologizing for remarks he had previously made. Also, why was Hillary at the State of the Black Union last Sat. apologizing for those same remarks.

[Beacool]

43. It was the sin of omission.

Of knowing that someone who had been your friend was unjustly labeled a racist and of not correcting the record. Instead, he pretended to be above the fray while his surrogates were busy as bees adding fuel to the fire.

I wish I liked Obama, I really do, but I can't help but see in him a narcissistic man who will talk about lofty ideals at the same time that behind the scene he will do anything to get elected. In other words, just a run of the mill politician........only better packaged.

The disillusionment comes because, despite all the talk of "hope" and "change" this election is about him, not about us the American people.

[rodeodance]

61. sins of ommission can be the ones that hurt the most

[NOLALady]

84. These people.

Black Americans vote on race not on issues. When they voted for Clinton, those people voted on issues., not the color of his skin.

If they vote for Obama, they will vote because he's half white because they cannot grasp issues.

I understand. It's all clear now. :eyes:

[Window]

92. 80-90% of this "one group of people"

adds up to only 12.9% of the total pop. in the US.

[Auntie Bush]

14. I've always felt that is exactly what he hid...then blamed it on Bill and Hillary.

That was damn low trick to play and he has the nerve to act above the fray.

[anamandujano]

109. The quintessential "uniter, not divider." F'ing hypocrite! Worse than Bush.

[yellowcanine]

16. It looks as if Clinton supporters are now into the "if only" mode.

Focusing on the perceived failures of the media to "stop coddling Obama" is not a winning strategy.
People need a reason to vote FOR Hillary. So far the Clinton campaign has done a lousy job of that. I am not sure they recognize this yet and it is probably too late.

[rodeodance]

57. if you read the story--it was the BO campaign that is responsible for the

racial politics that has been going on.

[BuyingThyme]

103. How so?

Is there a passage in the article that shows that?

Post it.

[rodeodance]

125. Read the article.

[dailykoff]

17. Delusional and creepy.

Blaming Obama for the racist slime he's been hit with is beyond offensive, it's psychotic, not to mention racist. Does Martin Peretz still run that laughable rag?

[JimGinPA]

19. Laughable!

The Clinton camp tried to make Obama "the black candidate" and it bit them in the ass. Way to try and change the narrative though.

:rofl:

[madrchsod]

20. hopefully this stuff will be over very soon

the writer of this article is a long time friend of the clintons. the comments point out some of the faults in his assertions but i did`t have time to read all 500+ comments just 26 of them.

[Beacool]

48. This stuff is not going away simply because he'll be the nominee.

This "stuff" is actually only starting now. After he becomes the nominee there'll be many questions from all sides about who this guy really is and whether he is the best choice for president. The media's love affair with him will probably subside and he'll get the same treatment that Gore, Kerry and Hillary got from them.

[Lerkfish]

72. sharpening up your knives of division, are you?

man, those grapes are really sour, aren't they? Are you willing to take down the democratic party in a fit of pique?

[Beacool]

119. Nope, just stating a fact.

Obama has skated through because he's a more beguiling candidate for the media and they have made him their new darling, but wait until he is the nominee and the bloom is off the rose. They'll go after him like they went after our other nominees.

:shrug:

[Little Star]

23. The Clinton's never were and are not racist. The only one who

could possibly benefit by playing the race card (with his silence) is Obama. Sly like a fox is Mr. Obama.

[libbygurl]

24. Fake. nt

[Name removed]

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[SeaLyons]

26. Carl Rove Tactics

alive and well in the Obama camp

[still_one]

27. So Ben, how come 99% of your posts are hit and run?

You start a thread, usually controversial, and usually do not contribute to that thread further

[dionysus]

29. the last days in the bunker...

[book_worm]

30. Are you capable of writing a positive post?

[MethuenProgressive]

33. This *is* positive.

Positively true.

Race Man
by Sean Wilentz
How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.
Post Date Wednesday, February 27, 2008
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

[Name removed]

69. Deleted sub-thread

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[workinclasszero]

32. Revisionist history

will work for Hill and Bill about as good as playin the race card worked for them.:evilgrin:

Have a nice day.:hi:

[MethuenProgressive]

35. ...another victim of Obama's Swiftboat is heard from.

How are those propeller scars on your backside healing?

[rodeodance]

42. ha ha ha---truth sure sucks doesn't it.

[YOY]

34. Ben, are you aware that you ACTUALLY make me NOT want to vote for Hillary if she is our candidate?

Is that your purpose?

Because, I'm pretty determined to vote for the Dem no matter what but when I see this kind of negativity...well, I just hope others have the same thickness of skin if not thicker.

[SoFlaJet]

49. it's not just him YOY, and it's not just you

when I was still for Edwards and saw he wasn't figuring on winning ANY primaries so I was caught between candidates and I have to tell you the tone I saw from Clinton supporters HERE helped sway me to Obama-seeing people be accused of all kinds of names by the Clinton supporters every day was a real turn off and was part of my decision process-PART of it

[YOY]

110. and the insinuation that every attack is somehow anti-woman...

There are indeed misogynistic attacks on her but EVERY LAST CRITICISM to some people (corporate shill, legacy bs, NAFTA...)are all magically attacks on her gender!

I hate to say it but if Obama is all "hype" then at least it's positive "hype".

[smiley_glad_hands]

41. Another worrthless post in DU P.

God I can't wait until this is over. Both sides have their flame baiters, but at some point, hopefully soon, we can move past this and unite behind the front runner.

[rodeodance]

44. vast majority of those worthless posts come from Obamafolk. This is NOT worthless thank you.

[smiley_glad_hands]

47. Yeah it is worthless.

Unless you are a freeper happily enjoying the show that is the meltdown of the democratic party. Sad when so many dems from both sides act like rats in a corner sometimes.

[rodeodance]

53. well seems to me-the Obama campaign will have to take some responsibility

if indeed that is happening.


Why does the truth hurt you so bad?

[smiley_glad_hands]

96. Not hurting me.

Hurting the country with this drivel.

[Sensitivity]

50. Who is concocting this analysis? Only someone with NO UNDERSTANDING of racial dynamics

in America can with any conscience produce these arguments.
I shows deep ignorance of the sociology and politics of race and the enormous pain that many non-whites endure as a result.

[MethuenProgressive]

52. If only this came out sooner, Obama wouldn't have had the free MSM pass

[rodeodance]

54. Agreed

[elixir]

55. K&R!!!!

[Lerkfish]

56. this type of post is really not that helpful

flamebait.

[MethuenProgressive]

59. The Truth about Obama's Swiftboating of the Clintons on Race isn't "helpful"?

Not if you've climbed on that Swiftboat for a ride, maybe.
But to Democrats, it's very helpful.

[Lerkfish]

64. I also posted in THIS OTHER thread, before I did in this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4808553&mesg_id=4808821

I'm a democrat, btw. and yes, I don't think this is very helpful. as far as I know, its possible to be a democrat and have that opinion.

[rodeodance]

74. I sure found it enlightening----it is as many of us suspected.

[desi]

58. They played the race card and the media like a finely tuned

fiddle. One of the worst, or should we say the BEST was Jesse Jackson Jr with Michelle Obama a close second.

K&R

[SammyWinstonJack]

73. !

:thumbsup:

[ellacott]

60. This is hilarious, they don't quit

This article has zero credibility. He's on par with Taylor Marsh and Paul Krugman. All objectivity is gone when it comes to the Clintons.

The issue has been discussed ad nauseum. If it's not understood by now it never will be. And it will never be explained by someone like Wilentz.

This is OP seems to hae devoted himself to reducing this election to race and attempting to use race against Obama. This OP is consumed with race and not in a positive way.

I feel sorry for this OP.

[ProSense]

62. Drug dealer, fairy tale, imaginary hip black friend, gang bang, cult, shuck-and-jive, Hispanics

don't vote for black people, Obama is Somalian, Obama meets with former terrorists, all from Hillary's campaign and surrogates.

[workinclasszero]

78. When you put them all together like that

It forms a damning indictment doesn't it?

Oh yeah don't forget, LBJ was greater than MLK, another one from Hillary.

The Clinton's and their friends were obviously trying to drive a wedge between Whites, Blacks and Latinos.

It blew up in their face badly and will stain them for life IMHO.

Shame on you Hillary!

[NJSecularist]

63. How BenDavid played the race card and blamed it on Obama

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4583736&mesg_id=4583736

[Emit]

65. omg

:crazy: shit that

[Lerkfish]

68. oh, yeah, that's right- the whole "white devils" racist garbage

I am so shocked the OP would still be at the racebaiting tactic. Shocked, I say!

[Forkboy]

106. Yeah, Ben is a charmer. Must be a blast at parties.

[NJSecularist]

107. He has absolutely no room to talk about playing the race card.

[JTFrog]

124. I still haven't figured out why he hasn't got a granite cookie.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4473447

This poster has exposed his ass more than once.

[malik flavors]

67. Oh God, this thread is ridiculous. I'm not an Obama lover or a Hillary Hater...

So coming from an objective point of view, this thread reads like some kind of JFK conspiracy theory crap. Obama played the race card by staying out of all the media and gossip b.s.? This is so stupid. The thing I think that has worked so well for Obama is that it seems like he's practically had blinders on throughout his entire campaign. he comes across to me as a guy that avoids conflict as much as possible and doesn't even pay a lot of attention to all of the campaign antics and that helped him to sell himself and stay on message. If Hillary had done the same I think she'd be doing a whole lot better at this point.

And the first thing Obama did at the last debate was immediately say he took Hillary at her word about the "dressed" photo, and said that everybody should forget about it and move on. I like Hillary, but this thread is plain crazy.

[Emit]

70. So it's all one big conspiracy to you?

Now tell me why I might think you supporting this conspiracy theory is not only sorely ironic but a wee bit disingenuous.

[jackson_dem]

75. The msm aided and abetted the concious Obama campaign strategy of playing the race card

It is no coincidence the race card happened to appear after Clinton won two upset victories and just in time for the South Carolina primary...It is obvious who stood to gain from the racialization of the campaign and the result in South Carolina (look at the cross tabs), which boosted Obama to a tie on Super Tuesday instead of a solid defeat at the hands of Clinton shows exactly who that candidate was....

[ellacott]

76. Not true

People had ocncerns about the direction this campaign would go in New Hampshire with Bill Shaheen' comments.

[jackson_dem]

79. No, Shaheen was a perfect example of who played the race card: Obama

All Shaheen did was allude to Obama's record of drug use. There wasn't anything racist about it unless Obamanation thinks drug use is the monopoly of one racial group. :eyes: Shaheen is a perfect example of something that was not racist that the Obama campaign would later use to swiftboat the Clintons on race just in time for the South Carolina primary where he magically won 78% of the black vote (with only 19% going to Clinton and Edwards, who won the white vote, getting 1%) after trailing among blacks all of 2007. SC was essentially do or die for Obama because if he lost SC he would have lost solidly on Super Tuesday and the Clinton "inevitable" campaign would be right on schedule and set to deliver the final blow to Obama in Ohio. Instead Obama used the momentum from his big South Carolina win, which was based on voting on racial lines (he was a distant third among whites) thanks to Obama's politics of division and destruction to fight to a draw on Super Tuesday. Hillary needed to win ST and she didn't because of Obama's momentum from SC and that brought us to where we are today.

[ellacott]

83. You are drawing conclusions that are unfounded

Shaheen's comments were made before the Iowa caucus. You were not the offended person so you can't tell any of them what to be offended about. When Shaheen made his comment it was all over black radio, blogs and messageboards. They all wondered the same thing, "is he trying to say Obama was a drug dealer?". Obama's campaign never said a word about this.

We can argue over and over but people took offense at the series of gaffes the Clinton campaign made. The feeling of offense was not orchestrated by the Obama campaign, black people CAN think for themselves.

[NOLALady]

85. Shhhhh!

Let that be our secret. }(

[ellacott]

86. They aren't listening anyway

This is going over many of their heads. :)

[BuyingThyme]

102. Just like the African garb thing, it was an effort to to appeal to racists.

If you don't think appealing to racists is racist, what is it?

And why is it so important for you to pretend that you didn't know this?

[rodeodance]

77. calling it a ct will not make it go away

[malik flavors]

81. LOL, ok guys. Have your fun. I'll be moving on from this thread now. Have a good one.

[joeybee12]

82. after all the BS pro-BO victim posts by his supporters here who

foamed at the mouths for several weeks over the racism of the Clintons...and now say we shouldn't post an opposing view because it doesn't focus on the issues???? The hypocrisy is stunning. K&R

[rodeodance]

90. NO body has said that--but there are good ways to carry on a discussion and

ways that cut down discussion

name-calling is a good way to to shut down a discussion --

[CyberPieHole]

87. Thanks for posting this BenDavid...

Obama is the most divisive of candidates. He will probably fail to get the support of all the people he has insulted and tossed under the bus....that's probably many of the voters who support Clinton. Obama's disgusting smear and attempts to portray the Clintons as racists will not sit well with her supporters going into the GE. If the Clinton voters stay home he will lose the GE, but that might be a blessing in disguise: Hillary could run in 4 years and could possibly win then.

:kick: and rec

[mculator]

91. They knew it would work.

[fishwax]

94. sounds like the "it all started when he hit me back" defense

It's also interesting how the article implies that we shouldn't let any of the comments by people affiliated with the Clinton campaign actually reflect the campaign itself: Bill Shaheen made his remark "entirely on his own," Bob Kerrey is "notoriously unscripted," Andrew Young was "just clowning," etc. On the other hand, it seems that Bob Herbert, Donna Brazile, et al are all part of a masterfully coordinated campaign that religiously distributes the Obama campaign's carefully calculated message. That's convenient :eyes: It couldn't possibly be that Herbert, for instance, actually was offended or troubled by various comments--no, he is simply an automaton of the Obama campaign.

[ellacott]

98. That's what's so crazy

They assume that anyone who has said how they feel is part of the campaign. Donna Brazille is not committed to any candidate. Anyone making that claim is making it up because they have no basis for that claim. They have to try and make these associations because they can not admit that in 2008 people(even the Clinton) can operate in a form of insensitivity to win the election.

People that have no connections to Obama's campaign have been troubled by what they've heard.

[BuyingThyme]

97. I knew he was race baiting when he forced Hillary to say that stuff about Farrakhan.

He's quite a strategist.

[Lerkfish]

99. He was good: I barely saw his lips move as the words came out of her mouth

:)

[BuyingThyme]

100. Someday we'll be allowed to discuss this without worrying about

being alerted.

[avrdream]

104. Thanks for cross-posting it here, Ben.

The details need to be looked into.

Hill and Bill had absolultely NO REASON to race-bait. BO had a good reason to make them appear to be racists.

[rodeodance]

115. You are right-----neither Hillary nor Bill had any reason to dismantle Bill's life work.

[judaspriestess]

105. below is what is really disturbing to me

"This development is the latest sad commentary on the malign power of the press, hyping its own favorites and tearing down those it dislikes"

it does not matter who they are doing it to, its the power the media holds and how it can sway a decision to appease its masters.

[Raffi Ella]

111. You know,

I realize elections are a nasty business but it is abhorrent that Barack was so eager to play the race card in the already fragile state of race relations in this country.

That he was willing to exploit race in this way speaks volumes:He is not about Hope and Unity,he is about getting Barack elected,at any cost.He and his wife are two of the nastiest most underhanded and shameless politicians I've ever witnessed on the national stage.They shamelessly demand the black vote,as if they are owed it.

And it is widely known that blacks are harassed if they aren't voting for Barack.Michelle is one of the worst offenders of this tactic.Why this isn't headline news is beyond me.If it were Hillary out there acting this way it sure as hell would be.


And yeah,that the media went along with it is just depressing,WRONG and depressing.Just like Raygun rewrote his history the media has helped to shape history in Baracks favor.Sad.Just fucking sad.

[ellacott]

112. Silly

[Raffi Ella]

113. Fact.

It's a subject that historians will have to ponder though because like you and many others prove,race and using the race card if that card is played by a black person is a taboo subject.

I think not only have Barack and his wife exploited race but enjoy absolute freedom in doing so because it is such a taboo subject and no one will call them on it.No one in the msm anyway.

I am glad to see that it is being written about though.In the future it won't be so easy for a black American to do what Barack has done.One day we will be able to openly discuss black people and their behavior in the same way we discuss white people and other races without the fear of being called a racist for doing so.

[ellacott]

114. Where did I say it was taboo?

You are putting words in my mouth and you are so far from the truth that's it stupid. I have never shyed away from discussing race and won't stop.

You guys who are so upset at Barack for something he didn't do are projecting your own bias on him. You can shout, scream and whine all you want but it wasn't Obama who started this.

If you really want to understand you should try to engage some blacks who may have been offended at things that occurred. You don't want to do that because it would upset your narrative.

Repeatedly people have posted on this board that no one called the Clintons racists and this wasn't even about making them out to be racists. You folks don't want to hear that because you have you own narrative. The Clintons came out claiming they were being called racists when that was a lie. Bill appeared on black radio and argued and bullied his was through the interview(not a good way to make you case).

The reaction of you and a lot of other people was very telling and showed that there are still issues regarding race that you all can't deal with. Folks on this board said that we shouldn't talk about race because it would upset the white people. You probably don't even understand the message that this statement sends.

Please don't tell me that I consider this subject taboo. I look forward to an intelligent conversation on this matter and have done my part on this board to engage many people.

An article by a Clinton surrogate who has not considered anything outside of his own long loyalty to Clintons doesn't change what happened.

[Raffi Ella]

120. ooh ok.

see,there you go,you as much called me racist by saying I'm projecting my 'bias' onto him.Sorry but that is not open dialogue nor is it engaging.And Your reply to me,'silly',was the furthest thing from "engaging".

And for your information I don't need to go talk to black people about this,I have and I do.I also see these articles and others like them that are written by black people.I see black people everywhere claiming they are being harrased if they do not vote for the black man in the race.

It was reported that Rep.Lewis was strong armed to back Obama "Do you wanna be the one to keep a black man from office".

That is wrong.Period!The way Michelle Obama has acted is wrong,period.

I don't need to 'deal' with race;I regard blacks in the same way that I regard any other race and I will indeed demand the same from them that I would any other race and I will call them on disgusting behavior the same way I would any other race.I believe ObamaCo. to be using race in an abhorent way.And I am not going to pretend that that's OK because they are black and it has to do with the black race in general.

[ellacott]

123. I in no way called you racist so stop that

Most of you here don't even know the meaning of that word. You can totally uniformed about race and not be considered an racist. You can say racially insentive things and still not be considered a racist. I responded "silly" to your post because it was silly. You don't walk on eggshells with me and I won't do the same with you.

And for your information if you do want to have some understanding of this issue yes you do need to engage some blacks.

As far a blacks being harrassed for their support of Hillary I agree with you. I bet that surprises you. Did you know that John Lewis was originally an Obama supporter but he got strong armed by Bill to switch to Clinton.

I don't know what Michelle said that you are talking about.

Actually, you do have to deal with black people, just like you deal with white people. I know you claim that you deal with everybody equally but you don't.

This whole issue of race has been used in an abhorent way but it is not Barack Obama who has done this. I don't pretend that it's ok either.

[rodeodance]

118. The author is a historian. Questions have begun to be asked but as we

can see, it is taboo yet in the msm.

He has made serious claims and this will not go away-that I know and I am glad.

[ellacott]

122. A historian and a long time Clinton supporter

[dailykoff]

116. And if anybody is still wondering what "strange fruit" means

you got your answer right here.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

117. We aren't ... we have you. n/t