Barrack Obama is already winning us the GE, bringing whole new armies of voters

[meow mix]

some should be a little more grateful around here..
instead of tearing into the guy constantly.

[saracat]

1. Really? Why is it that I meet so many people who say"he scares the crap out of them" and why

do many Reugs, who were planning on staying home, plan to vote against him and why do so many Dems I know plan on voting for McCain against Obama?That has even been a topic here on DU. Many are encountering this. The primaries mean NOTHING. The GE is what counts. And then the vote tally is much different.

[meow mix]

2. when people decide to support someone, they tend to do it.. i dont buy the fear mongering theories.

[Capn Sunshine]

3. and yet national polls show him beating McCain handily

I just don't understand Hillary supporters who can't accept the inevitable.

[Greenwood]

5. Nope. McCain beats Obama in most.....

Look, I will vote for Obama if he is the nomineee but this notion that Obama will smoke McCain is fantasy land.

Hillary would stand a better chance.

Obama, how can I phrase this without it being construed as something it is not, will be in major trouble in a debate against McCain.

[papau]

11. true - the Obama smearing of Hillary turns many off - but GOP is pushing polls that

show Obama beating McCain - good only for this week and until he breaks her by winning on 3/4 -

then suddenly we will find out about the McCain comeback.

The GOP want the weaker in Nov - and weaker in the Whitehouse choice - the person that will toss all those promises to the left so as to get some GOP love and a changed atmosphere

[Eurobabe]

40. Why do you give the GOP so much power

Are you afraid of the boogie man too? Get a grip.

[Capn Sunshine]

28. That is completely untrue. Completely

HILLARY CONSISTENTLY LOSES to McCain.

Obama beats Granpa Mac handily

The new CBS/New York Times poll gives Barack Obama a huge 16-point national lead over Hillary Clinton, providing some corroboration to the USA Today/Gallup poll from earlier today that had him ahead by 12 points. Here are the numbers, compared to the last poll from early February:

Obama 54% (+13)
Clinton 38% (-3)
And in the general election match-ups, Obama is also the stronger of the two Democrats against John McCain:

Obama (D) 50%, McCain ® 38%
Clinton (D) 46%, McCain ® 46%

This is what I've maintained since the beginning: Hillary is a weak and vulnerable candidate for the general, perhaps the ONLY candidate who could lose this for us.

[JeanGrey]

44. Every poll I have seen says the opposite. McCain wins versus

Hillary. He loses against Obama.

[Whisp]

4. the primaries means NOTHING?

good cripes, give it up already, sar. that's Hillary's stupidassed line.

[saracat]

7. If Primaries counted Kerry Gore and McGovern would be president.

Primaries are not indicative of GE support at all.

[Whisp]

13. how would you feel about their meaning if Hillary was ahead?

come on, now. don't be shy, be sar.

[saracat]

19. I would feel the same way. If we really wanted to win, my opinion is we should have nominated

Edwards.He would have won the GE but they didn't want him to win the primary.He didn't have what the so called DEM power brokers wnated and he didn't give then control over their message.This is just about MONEY and perserving a large donor base.Can't annoy big money you know.All the state Parties . my own especially are getting huge lobbyist and corporate donations.

[Whisp]

21. it's tough to keep up with all the polling around, but...

one of the last ones I saw had Obama smacking the crap out of McCain while Hillary was much less effective against him.

so of the two nominees, it appears that Obama has the better chance in the GE. Mind you, anything can happen as we all have seen in past elections, but it seems clear to me that Obama has the better chance and should be let go and concentrate on that fight instead of fending off Hillary's endless ankle bites.

[saracat]

24. So we shouldn't have a real election? I thought many were afraid of Hillary's coronation?

I didn't support that either.And I wish Edwards hadn't been forced out of the race to narrow it down to these two.And actually, I wouldn't trust any of the polls.

[my3boyz]

54. I supported Kerry and Gore but both of them were lousy candidates

Kerry let the GOP define him. Then he made mistake after mistake which fed into they way they defined him (flip flop...the whole voting for the war before he was against it. Gorei s an honorable man (who had the presidency stolen from him) but the election would not have been as close if he was a better candidate.

[NOLALady]

10. Interesting.

I'm hearing quite the opposite in this area of the South. Many lifelong Repubs say they're scared to death of McInsane, hate HRC (for some really dumb reasons) and they are sending money to Barack. It surprised the Hell out of me.

I dunno. Maybe the South is trying to rise again.

[Dhalgren]

12. In my part of the south he hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell.

Clinton doesn't either. Compared to the average Alabamian, McCain is freaking normal...

[griffi94]

16. same thing in most parts of texas

my parents just voted for obama in the texas primary, because the absolutely loathe hillary, but they'll vote for and send money to mccain as soon as the primaries are over.

[Occam Bandage]

17. And yet national polls show him much stronger against McCain than Hillary. The reason

you see that is that your social circle is self-selecting.

[TexasObserver]

37. Even Democrats who voted for Hillary earlier are choosing Obama now.

The national polling proves it, unless one wishes to believe that Hillary has only 25% support among the few remaining states to have primaries.

[Independent-Voter]

20. Sara, sara, sara. Try some Reality sometime. It'll do you some good.

Hillary has a ceiling in the 40's, based on multiple polls. People can't stand Her Shrillness, no matter how much you stamp you feet and hold your breath.

[saracat]

25. Who knows? I sure don't.I can't stand Obama and know many who don't like him.I know some that

don't like hillary.Soo? Means nothing.I think Mccain has a more than decent shot.But he doesn't get my vote.

[apocalypsehow]

42. It really is incredible, this willful denial of verifiable facts and projection of their

candidate's manifest weaknesses on Senator Obama, isn't it? Sad.

[here_is_to_hope]

32. You need to know other "dems" then...eom

[OnionPatch]

34. Well, you're entitled to your view

but we must be living in very different worlds. I have yet to meet a Republican or even an independent who says they will vote for Hillary if she's the nominee. Conversely, they're excited about Obama and are supporting him. The polls seem to be backing this up. :shrug:

[stillcool]

35. I'm not scared...

[mrreowwr_kittty]

49. YOU LIVE IN ARIZONA!!!!

Sorry to yell, but your experience is NOT applicable to rest of the country, saracat.

[TooBigaTent]

6. At what cost? Capitulation to the republics on issues, appointments, etc?

Driving liberals from the party? Moving the party even further to the right as he has to reward those "new armies of voters."

I do see him winning. But the cost is too high.

[meow mix]

9. pushing the nation to the left.. which is where we need to go.

and anyways, obama is left of hillary imo.

[Seeker30]

14. People don't like to be 'pushed' in any direction

Which is what Obamites cannot comprehend

[Occam Bandage]

18. "Waah! He's gonna sell out to the repukes! Waah! He's gonna be too liberal!"

Christ, guys, get some consistency.

[saracat]

26. Not really. Read up a bit.He is actually more conservative.JMHO.

[Independent-Voter]

22. So McCain is your better option. What kind of logic is that?

[saracat]

27. The poster didn't say that at all. I think they meant Hillary was a better option than Obama

and that though he could "win" Obama will sell us out.I tend to agree.I won't vote for McCain but I am not sure I could vote for Obama.It sort of feels like "lying".

[meow mix]

29. it doenst make sense to say obama is right of hillary

so not suprised in the confusion there lol

[DemzRock]

8. I can't wait to see if he stays ahead in the polls or will the RW machine tear him to shreds. n/t

[meow mix]

23. the RW machine is watching the Clinton machine fail at that. and they are shaking

in thier shoes.

[Dhalgren]

31. Click your heels together three times and say,

"There's no place like home. There's no place like home." :rofl:

[stillcool]

36. I saw an article...

where the republicans are trying to come up with strategies to go against him, without alienating voters in the way that some have. It should be interesting.

[Scurrilous]

15. K & R

:thumbsup:

[blues90]

30. Nice choice of a word , " ARMY "

[TexasObserver]

33. I agree with your subject line. Obama will lead us to victory because he's motivating new voters.

[TexasObserver]

38. We can't win down ballot in November on the votes Hillary gets.

We need the Obama voters to win 35 states, not 10 states.

[apocalypsehow]

39. Yes, and every credible poll on the face of the earth shows him beating McCain in a head-to-head

match up. But take a look at some of the HRC boosters who are projecting their own candidate's weaknesses on Senator Obama, some in this very thread. In point of fact, nothing would unite the Republican party faster and more solidly than an HRC nomination. She still might win, but it would be bruisingly close. Every credible nationwide poll, OTOH, shows Senator Obama either winning over McCain by a few points, or in a landslide.

[mtnsnake]

41. Every poll had Kerry clobbering Bush & he ended up losing to an imbecile

who had already proven himself to be the worst president in history in his first term.

This time we won't have the luxury of going up against an imbecile, so you might not want to think it's going to be such a cakewalk.

[meow mix]

43. Kerry was super-inspiring! he was!!

:tinfoilhat: =)

[apocalypsehow]

46. What that really translates to is: "I'm mad because HRC is not going to be the nominee."

n/t.

[mtnsnake]

51. No. What that translates to is that if Obama is as cocky as you are, he'll get pounded & lose

but he's a smart man and he won't take McCain or any silly pre-election polls for granted.

[sykalla2]

48. oh?

cuz i thought that McCain was 16 points up on Obama in Florida....

[apocalypsehow]

50. Sorry about your confusion: Florida is a state in the United States, not the United States itself.

Hope that educational tidbit helps you sort it all out.

[sykalla2]

52. "every credible poll on the face of the earth shows him beating McCain in a head-to-head match-up"

So if every credible poll has him beating Mccain in a head-to-head match up.
Are you saying:
A) that Rasmussen is not credible
B) Florida doesn't matter
C) You don't understand the electoral college system

[apocalypsehow]

53. All too easy:

A) Yes.

B) Nonsequitur.

C) Someone doesn't understand something alright, and it has nothing to do with the "electoral college system (Sic)" - it has to do with how to add.

[cooolandrew]

45. Exactly, Barack has held the Dem party together with his fund raising.

[napi21]

47. Overconfidence looses every time! Ask any sports team!

I'm guessing you are much younger than I am, so you may not know history. I can't even count the number of candidates who were 'SUPPOSED TO WIN BECAUSE OF THE" youth vote, energized voters, new kind of candidate...... Well guess what? It's FEBRUARY PEOPLE! Dea God I hope you're right this time, but November is a VERY long time away! People lose interest. They figure that candidate has so many supporters, it won't matter if THEY go out and vote. I really do hope I'm wrong and history doesn't repeat itself this time, but unfortunately, it is repeated much more often than not.

[BzaDem]

55. McGovern had the youth vote in the bag, due to opposition of the Vietnam War

and look where it got him. Obama may turn out more youth voters, but he may not. It certainly doesn't mean he'll win the GE. The youth vote is the least reliable.