RETHUGS sent the Photo!

[RememberWellstone]

Just got off the phone with a friend of mine, the Rethugs were the ones responsible for the sending Drudge the photo. It was already previously published on another site earlier this month. The Rethug mafia is already playing tricks. Who in their right mind would send this photo to Drudge with note that it is from the Clinton capmaign? Think about it people. They are dividing us like they usually do. Right out of the McKinnon playbook.


Hill staffers HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH photo. Truth! I hope they can prove this in time, it won't be easy.

[Occam Bandage]

1. Which is why she did not deny it in her campaign's statement, right?

[RememberWellstone]

13. No, they are searching

Hillary is furious..and they are trying to find out who did what. No one in the Hill campaign had anything to do with this. If they did, they will be fired, they do highly suspect it was rethugery dirt machine.

[Occam Bandage]

20. A database search takes like 30 seconds.

[RememberWellstone]

25. Exactly

No one has done this from the Hill campaign.

[Occam Bandage]

34. Then why did they issue a non-denial statement? They knew five minutes after it broke

whether they were responsible or not.

[RememberWellstone]

43. I already addressed that

They are still looking "internal", as far as those who are doing their jobs day to day with the campaign, no one had anything to do with this. They do suspect the rethugs and are trying to prove that. That is all I know. I thought it might have been a loose cannon, who would be fired immediately.

[Occam Bandage]

45. You're full of shit. They would know exactly who was responsible within five minutes.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

48. Hillary needed this huge distraction, see below

Don't Look at How Badly Hillary's campaign is sinking

look at this instead:

There have been 12 duplicate threads posted about the Clinton campaign circulating a photo of Obama in "muslim" garb
6 duplicates trying to defend Hillary Clinton for this, and 6 duplicates condemning this smear campaign.

Absolutely NO PROOF anyone from Clinton camp connected in anyway to 'the photo' Mon Feb-25-08 11:02 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758267&mesg_id=4758267

There's NO proof the Clinton campaign approved of the Drudge pic. So, he's a legitimate source now?? Mon Feb-25-08 11:18 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758517

*WHY* is it a "smear photo"? Mon Feb-25-08 11:30 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758733&mesg_id=4758733

To address the recent Drudge photo...Mon Feb-25-08 11:49 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4759060

Hillary doesn't mind pictures of her in traditional clothing being published. Why is Obama so upset? Mon Feb-25-08 11:26 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758646

RETHUGS sent the Photo! Mon Feb-25-08 11:57 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4759207&mesg_id=4759207

rebuttal

Politico: Obama slams smear photo Mon Feb-25-08 10:11 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4757652&mesg_id=4757652

The Clinton goes ON RECORD re: PHOTO SMEAR and DOES NOT DENY, just change subject Mon Feb-25-08 11:18 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758523&mesg_id=4758523

in addition to being a low political move, distributing that photo would be an offense to muslims Mon Feb-25-08 11:37 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758867

Hillary's use of Islamophobia against Obama, will hurt our Democratic candidate for Congress Mon Feb-25-08 11:21 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758564

As long as Clinton supporters can blame Drudge the HRC camp will never be called on race baiting Mon Feb-25-08 10:10 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4757636&mesg_id=4757636

Why is there so much spectulation as to where the photo came from? Mon Feb-25-08 11:41 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758939

People should be worried to hear of the connections between the Clinton and McCain campaign advisors, or the fact that Obama has won 25 contests, Hillary only 11. This cute distraction seems to be working.

[Debi]

31. Like * fired everyone involved in the Plame leak?

:rofl:

[Kaylee]

35. Which is why she used the opportunity to "shame" him for

being "offended" by the photo smear? :eyes:

If she were furious about the picture and knew her campaign wasn't the source, I'm sure they would've released a statement saying so.

[CoffeeCat]

50. Oh please. We've heard this before...

I'm in Iowa and I've seen this Hillary shtick played out before.

One of Hillary's campaign directors was fired for sending out "Obama is a Muslim"
emails. Oh, the feigned outrage from the Hillary was was worthy of an Oscar!
Sooooo upset they were!

Never mind that within 24 hours of these emails being released, the Hillary
campaign orchestrated Bob Kerrey's endorsement of Hillary by saying, "I can't
wait for Hillary to run against Barack Hussein Obama!". Kerrey apologized for
the remark and laid very low after that.

Clinton also planted questions in two Iowa audiences, and LIED about it, and actually
claimed that they didn't plant questions. Never mind that two Iowans came forward
to reveal that Hillary staffers asked them both to ask planted questions.

Of course they're lying!! Are we expecting that dirty-tactic snakes are going to be truthtellers????

This is all part of the Clinton campaign drama.

Throw out the dirt, then lie about it and cover it up.

I'm sick to death of the Clinton bullshit!

Get this debris out of our party!

[RandomKoolzip]

2. Not buying it. Is your friend Roger Stone?

[RememberWellstone]

19. No

It is a friend of mine working in the Southern offices..she said this has upset everyone. They know for sure it was not a staffer...even Drudge peeps cannot confirm, will not confirm. This will be played out.

[HeraldSquare212]

3. The fact that it was already posted somewhere else doesn't mean they didn't circulate it

Perhaps they're trolling Rethug websites for their talking points?

I have no idea if they sent it or not, though the the non-denial is meaningful, but I don't think your reasoning is sound.

[Kaylee]

4. Then I expect a denial from her campaign. nt

[BlackVelvet04]

7. Just like Obama denied the claims Larry Sinclair made?

Of course not. You guys are being stupid.

[CitizenRob]

12. Larry Sinclair is obviously insane.

Hillary Clinton is just vile.

[Kaylee]

Responding to that filth would have only given him the

attention he sought. Drudge has in big, bold letters that the Clinton Camp is the source of the email, and they don't deny it.

[BlackVelvet04]

66. So is Drudge...

Drudge is a liar and a vile asshole.

[Occam Bandage]

22. Obama didn't issue a non-denial statement on Sinclair, either. Sinclair was obviously nuts.

[BlackVelvet04]

67. So is Drudge. n/t

[loveangelc]

44. btw Larry Sinclair failed his 2 polygraph test fwiw.

[BlackVelvet04]

65. Yes, I know. n/t

[dkf]

8. Yup. Just tell us you weren't responsible and you will fire any

campaign worker if they were circulating it.

End of Story.

[arewenotdemo]

32. No problemo. We already got Maggie Williams' denial.

Well, her non-denial denial suggesting that Obama should "be ashamed". You know, that one.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

5. Nobody knows who sent Drudge the photo.

Not you, not me, not anybody on DU. The person who knows who sent the photo to Drudge is the person who sent it to Drudge. It could have been a freeper. It could have been a Clinton staffer. Hell, it could have been an Obama staffer who wanted it out of the way now rather than later, or to make Hillary look desperate. WE DON'T KNOW.

[Mezzo]

6. They don't have to prove a thing, unless that's doctored photo.

He should not be ashamed. If he is, it says more about him for being ashamed than it ever did about her *IF* she leaked it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

10. Obama supporters can't 'hear' you.

:evilgrin:

[stillcool]

49. I wonder why anyone...

would think the Clinton's were responsible?

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

[Yael]

9. Then why aren't they denying it?

[RememberWellstone]

24. They are confirming

So far, no one has any knowledge of this and they have some reliable people on board. This is not a mutiny or desperation move. They felt like they making headway with the Texas debate and did not need this type of dirty trick to play. Hillary is livid and I don't blame her.

[RaleighNCDUer]

36. Now THAT is curious.

If it really is a non-issue, as so many in the Hillary camp are claiming, why is she LIVID about it?

[RememberWellstone]

46. Texas debate

They are sticking to the issues and felt they made major headway..this just throws out another dirty trick adnauseum, she is trying to focus the country back on her experience...this has nothing to do with that.

[Unsane]

11. OMG R U SERIES111! JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE!!!! HUGH

Hillary planted it and you know it. Even if she didn't, she's trying to benefit from its circulation, which is just as bad.

[RememberWellstone]

29. I have a friend that is active.

She has been from the getgo..she is reading this right now. This is'nt a grandstand or lie, I told her I was posting on DU. She said good, get the word out if I wanted to. I do.

[alcibiades_mystery]

53. Bullshit

[Ian David]

14. I automatically assumed Nader had sent it. But you're right, it was probably the Repukes. n/t

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

15. Clinton Campaign's ties to McCain Campaign - Penn's firm

Sun Feb 24, 9:10 PM | Permalink
Mark Penn's lobbying shop is headed by John McCain's top adviser
http://www.obamaiswinning.com/2008/02/mark-penns-lobb.html

[NDambi]

16. It would be sad if Hillary's camp did send it...

According to Dems there’s nothing to fear of muslim people.

[MoonRiver]

17. I'm glad you're helping to set the record straight, RememberWellstone,

but Obama folk here will never let this go. It's just one more bogus smear they can try to pin on Clintons. I've totally given up on these people and their rock star.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

18. Well the friend I just got off the phone with said

That her brother's sister-in-law's second cousin saw Hillary Clinton send the email herself. :eyes:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. You're Probably Right, Which Would Make Many Here Look Pretty Stupid. But Who Cares?

It's just an innocent and benign photo. Nothing in it to be outraged about whatsoever.

Yup. Obama flubbed this one. Let's hope he uses better strategy in the GE as it relates to responding to attack. I hope he considers this a lesson learned from the more politically experienced. Hillary's campaign has handled this brilliantly so far.

[Occam Bandage]

37. You know, I've noticed something.

After every attack exchange, Hillary supporters praise how "experienced" and "brilliant" her response was. And yet, after every attack exchange, Obama rises in the polls, and Hillary drops.

[cali]

41. that all depends. the photo is innocent. the intent behind circulating it

is blatantly not innocent. And sorry, but Obama's campaign is the one handling this well. If hillary's campaign staffers did not distribute the photo, they need to make an unequivocal denial and soon. You are not, btw, even a little bit good at hiding your biases. You proclaim that you like both candidates and yet you criticize Obama constantly. And anyone with more than a couple of functioning brain cells can see that Obama's campaign has been far more effective than Clinton's. Obama is winning.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

59. Hillary's Campaign Handled It Better. If You Open Your Mind Objectively And Look At It From

a political viewpoint, I think you'd be able to see that.

And I absolutely support Obama. I also absolutely consider Obama to have run the more effective campaign. I'm also aware Obama is winning. I also am objective enough to know that in this episode, Hillary did better.

[cali]

62. We'll see. It's too early to assess whether she did handle this well

You can claim objectivity, but there's no way to say that this was well handled by the Clinton camaign at this point. And if staffers did mail that photo out, it shows an incredible lack of discipline within the ranks. To date, he's outfoxed her almost every time. We'll see if this damages Clinton. I don't see how it damages Obama.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

69. Not Sure It Will Or Won't Damage Either. Also Not Necessary To Know.

The logic inherent from both of their replies is already known. Her logical argument and position was far better, period. I don't need poll numbers to dictate competence of logic. Logically speaking, her response was brilliant.

It totally sets the stage for later, when it is found to have not come from her, for her to be able to turn it back around on Obama even further.

[cali]

72. well, we disagree. I thought the Clinton response was less than intelligable

and my bet is that it will get her more bad press. And that's what counts- not your oinion or mine. And how do you know it didn't come from her campaign? You can't possibly know that.

[TeamJordan23]

23. Hillary camp would have denied it right away. nm

[Lerkfish]

26. wow! I should believe an anonymous poster on the web who was just USING A PHONE!

OMFGWTFBBQ!

your unnamed friend told you what happened?


well, that settles it.

:sarcasm:

[meow mix]

27. oh bs.. its pretty obvious. whos the one currently in flip mode?

hillary

[milkyway]

28. Well, that ends it. We'll take your word for it. btw, Drudge says the Clinton campaign was

"circulated a photo over the weekend of a 'dressed' Barack Obama." You didn't say anything to refute that. The photo came out a few weeks ago, but that doesn't mean the Clinton campaign wasn't pushing it this weekend.

[Debi]

30. Is your friend Matt Drudge?

Otherwise I'll wait to hear.

Thanks all the same :hi:

[enid602]

33. photo

I must be out of it, because I can't think of anything incriminating in that photo. He's half Kenyan for chrissake, and I can't think of a more fitting tribute than to wear some ancestral garb. I can't believe anyone would distribute such a photo to discredit anyone.

[SammyWinstonJack]

42. I don't get the 'false' outrage either.

:shrug:

[enid602]

73. empathy

In Mexico City, there's a monument to 'Los Infantes,' the student-cadets that were killed (supposedly by accident) by US Marines during the US invasion of Mexico. It brought tears to all Mexicans' eyes when Bill Clinton became the first US President to visit and lay a wreath at the base of this monument; sometimes a leader can make an impression by showing empathy while abroad. Then you have Bush wearing the cowboy hat and boots during his first European visit. Oh, well.

[Maribelle]

38. And this is only the begging of the republican onslaught against Obama.

And seeing that most of his supporters here in gd-p have shriveled into hissyfit melt down #287 over this, it would be an inexplicable odyssey of the mind to believe these cry babies and cowards will hold up under the grueling swift-boating Obama has in store.

[BigDDem]

63. You're right, it's not going to be pretty if he gets the nomination

The victim card is worn out already.

[carlotta]

39. I'd like to know if the Obama campaign spread the rapist story

The one dredged up from 30 years ago. Is the Obama camp denying they're the ones behind it?

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

40. why didn't H say so

[Maribelle]

56. Trying to prove a negative in this explosive hate-mosphere Obama has created is useless.

We merely move from one hate rant to the next hate rant from Obama supporters here.

Next?

[npincus]

47. Just got off the phone with a friend of mine,

He said the Hillary campaign went dumpster-diving and pulled out a funny picture of their opponent to send to well-trafficed RW web site.

[oviedodem]

51. If Hillary is spreading it and it came from the republicans first it is even

more pathetic and horrible on her part.

[greguganus]

54. i think we got the same friend. n/t

[BuyingThyme]

52. "Truth" from Hillary supporters just doesn't go as far as it used to.

[Maribelle]

58. Truth from Hillary supporters goes as far as the wall-of-hate Obama supporters have built.

And when the truth smashes into that wall-of-hate, Obama supporters become even more irrational.

[BuyingThyme]

61. Team Hillary mounts a racist attack and you respond

with "wall-of-hate" nonsense.

Look what Hillary has made of you. Is this what you want to be?

[Maribelle]

64. Racist?

You couldn't have done a better job of proving my point. Thanks!

[BuyingThyme]

68. It's not racist for Team Hillary to issue a press release

asking why there's a difference between Barack Obama wearing traditional African garb and Hillary Clinton wearing traditional African garb?

Why do you suppose they would say such a thing in response to the latest development? Just spitballin' it?

[Maribelle]

70. Actauly, David Plouffe has circulated the freakin picture more than anyone else, as he lied

blaming Hillary.

[meow mix]

55. hold on a sec, im gonna give hill a jingle on the cell..

ok just got off the phone with "hill" she said she didnt do it :rofl:

[BringBigDogBack]

57. You're friend?

Awesome. Thanks for clearing that up. :sarcasm:

[busymom]

60. My repug dad is laughing his ass off over this...

and he confirms the Drudge thing....This is all just part and parcel and he told me "ha...if she manages to stay in after TX and OH, then just wait and see what happens."

Obama people need to step back and think about all of this for a minute...seriously... I'm in no way implying that Obama is ahead because of repug antics, however, the repugs are trying for very personal reasons to pull Clinton down. In a few months, when Obama is the nominee and we've all lined up and are ready to support him, are you going to be willing to see that there WAS a smear campaign against Clinton by the republicans that attempted to paint her in the worst light possible?

[GOTV]

71. Well, they're idiots for sending it around now....

... but then again, they are Republicans so, you know....

[MethuenProgressive]

74. It was in the National Enquirer (3 million readers) weeks ago. Why blame Clinton??

[anigbrowl]

75. What's your evidence?

Drudge hasn't revealed who sent the photo, but since he doesn't want to get sued or discredited, it's reasonable to assume he looked at the originating email address before crediting it to a campaign staffer.

So what's your evidence for saying it came from the Republicans, other than your friend's opinion?