How "tactical" was Hillary's rant?

[State the Obvious]

..very tactical....very contrived..... Probably enough planning went into it to have a TV ad ready by Monday.

1) Notice the Hillary "photo op" at the end of the Texas debate. She kept saying.... (3 times)..... that she was honored to be with Barack. She KEPT SAYING IT until she got him to shake her hand. "Click" ....there is the photo op.

2) Hillary's contrived "shame-on-you, Barack" rant. As Obama stated later..... it seemed "tactical"....these mailers were mailed as far back as 2 weeks ago.....why the parental reprimand now? (My question is why wasn't NAFTA brought up in the Texas debate on Tuesday when clearly that is a priority issue with most Texans? Did Hillary's team object?)

3) Put the two together and expect a new TV ad to appear soon. Just combine the clip of the Hillary's surprise "gushing" over Obama at the debate with her righteous and indignant rant given on Saturday and there you go.....another example of Hillary's bogus "authenticity".

[bigtree]

1. politics???

oh, my!

[KittyWampus]

4. yes, political theater where it's best to stick with one persona, especially if you're a bad actor

[State the Obvious]

5. Yes, it is obvious. n/t

[Ravy]

2. You ever watch Pro-wrestling on TV?

About as tactical as that.

[u2spirit]

6. Reminds me of Larry Hagman in Primary Colors

Saying that politics had become like pro wrestling.

[hisownpetard]

22. And just as authentic.

[Ravy]

29. I think she made a good point, generally. But the "meet me in Ohio" was

was a bit over the top.

[galadrium]

3. She seems bipolar...

That plays into every bad stereotype about women. One minute she's attacking Obama for "Xeroxing" his whole campaign, then she tries to act like they are just great friends and everything is fine.

[MaineDem]

15. It's politics

And desperation politics at that.

It's nothing about her personality. Jeez!

[galadrium]

20. I agree

But, appearances matter in politics, and your average Joe voter will perceive it as a personality flaw.

[UALRBSofL]

25. She seems bipolar?

I suppose if she were a man it would just go over as fighting words. But, being a woman she's bipolar. Your misogyny is showing.

[galadrium]

30. Just an observation

I don't think she actually is, but appearances matter in politics and you are kidding yourself if you ignore it.

The average Joe voter who isn't following politics as closely as some of us, perceives this. Hell, all of the Democratic women I know agree.

[babylonsister]

31. Three days ago she was praising Obama, yesterday she attacked him.

Misogyny has nothing to do with it; her Sybil-like transformation does.

[catgirl]

37. LOL

She'll do anything at this point. She needs to win in Ohio. I think
her "rant" will hurt her.

[Forkboy]

54. No, she does seem bipolar in some ways.

I am, my father is, my best friend is. She probably isn't, but it does come across that way a little. If Obama was doing that I'd wonder the same thing about him.

[skipos]

7. Couple that with Hillary's statement from a few years ago...

"I think on balance NAFTA has been good for New York and America."

[cali]

8. it'll just backfire

she can't afford to come off as mean and angry. She's screwed herself again.

[MannyGoldstein]

9. She Keeps Throwing Hand Grenades Straight Up

And they come down on her head.

[City Lights]

52. LOL! eom

[u2spirit]

11. Cali, she doesn't care anymore

She is going to getreal nasty on Tuesday with Obama. He will take it with a smile and be calm, cool and collected. She WILL successfully ruin her campaign Tuesday night.She has made the decision to take the low road and get her political ass kicked rather than take the high road and lose by a field goal.

[bigtree]

35. I don't think the clips which nade the news look that mean at all

Only those folks who are content with the positions of their choices in this primary are in the state of blissful arrogance that many Obama supporters here express with their boasting and taunting. There are still many voters out there who expect their candidate to FIGHT against those who would try and stand in the way of universal health coverage with lies and fearmongering, like Hillary Clinton did in regard to the mailer. Sure, Obama supporters want the election to end now and have us crown him king, despite the fact that he can't reach the required number of delegates necessary to nominate on votes cast alone.

The Obama campaign doesn't respect the voters in the states ahead. They'd rather they didn't have a chance to cast their preference at the ballot box. Hillary Clinton respects them. So do her supporters, unequivocally.

I think the Obama campaign is 'screwing' themselves in their arrogant umbrage in response to the politics Clinton is dishing out. There's always going to be SOMEONE who thinks one attack or the other is 'silly' or self-destructive, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the effect of the Clinton campaign's political maneuvering just because YOU think it's out of line or detrimental. You're in the catbird seat, or so you believe. All you can really do now is 'holler down the drainpipe' as you watch Clinton's campaign fight on.

Didn't you recently 'predict' Clinton wouldn't even contest Texas and would drop out before then?

[cali]

48. sorry, I think you're off. Every time she's gone negative it's backfired

Every single time. Of course you can't see it. You're too vested in her candidacy. It's nonsense to say that Obama doesn't respect the voters in the states to come, particularly as it's been Hillary's campaign that has dissed every state she's lost. As kos says, it's the "insult 40 states strategy". And yes, I do believe it's over for Clinton, barring a political miracle. And you're mischaracterizing what I said: I said that if her internals show her losing Texas and Ohio the way she lost Wisconsin, I think it's possible that she'll drop out. And I still think that's possible. Even high profile supporters of hers are saying it's over.

[canadian_is_cold]

10. very tactical, she may be a bitch but she is not an idiot. n/t

[galadrium]

13. No, the people running her campaign are idiots

Hubris at its finest, now they are paying the price.

[u2spirit]

18. And if she knowingly takes idiots advice?

What does that make her?

[galadrium]

24. It will be a lesson for everyone running in primaries to come

Americans don't like the idea of dynasty, and automatic nominations. Not having a plan for post super Tuesday lost her this primary.

[Jawja]

43. That's the POINT.

After the automatic nomination of George W. Bush and the rigging of the 2000 election in Florida by his brother Jeb, and how the result of DYNASTY has played out over the last 8 years, Americans don't want Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton.

Because of Hillary running for President in 2008, the voters have a chance to decide between another dynasty or someone new. They are choosing someone new.

If John McCain can successfully be connected with the failed Bush dynasty in the GE, I believe the voters at large will again choose someone new.

[galadrium]

45. Unless some unexpected scandal comes out, Obama will win

I can't wait for the debates between McCain and Obama. McCain is running for the next Bush term. Obama won't have a problem winning those debates.

[Forkboy]

56. Great, another fine addition to DU.

:eyes:

[TexasObserver]

12. She looked like a parent bitching out a teenage child who came in 4 hours late.

And it will have about the same effect, which is to say, nothing.

[jazzjunkysue]

44. Very well said. Plus, it was over a few mailers. Not nukes, not Iran, not china.

That kind of indignation might be useful against serious military threats ot treaty infractions. But a few mailers?

She can't take him down on policy, so she's going after the rules of order. It's like when McEnroe was losing, and he'd attack the ref.

[monmouth]

49. I tell ya she sure reminded me of my mother standing there punching

her friggin watch and asking me if I knew how to tell time...Geebus...

[Cha]

58. She came off like a psycho boss,

I had years ago, who went off when we got really busy and started railing and flailing at anyone in his path.

[Blarch]

14. WTF is she talking about ?

What exactly did Obama 'lie' about ?

[canadian_is_cold]

34. He did not lie about anything

He responded to her nasty mailers with his own, weeks ago, the one she is waving around is over 3 weeks old.
What she is doing is the same thing she did when she released the Obama is a plagiarist story, demonstrating her mastery of media manipulation.

[rucky]

16. Tough enough to take on McCain

is the narrative she's trying to push.

[NashVegas]

17. Tactics Are Only Bad When They Are Ineffective

If Hillary going negative is the only way for the Obama campaign to get called on its shit, then Hillary must go negative.

[liberalnurse]

19. If you really want to know the answer to that question.

Listen to this TV new interview when Hillary was here in Dayton, Ohio yesterday. Listen to the people speak, they who are suffering! Ohio is suffering.

She was indeed sincere.

http://www.whiotv.com/news/15389097/detail.html

[u2spirit]

21. The difference between Hill and Bill

is that he can make it look sincere. She can't.

[liberalnurse]

23. It was sincere.

I was there.....I see the suffering of my neighbors.

[u2spirit]

28. That is my point

Even if she is sincere, it comes off the opposite.

[Political Heretic]

33. The suffering of your neighbors has no bearing on her sincerity in attacking Obama.

Suffering is real. Her concern over that suffering is real. Her politically staged, schizophrenic, tactically timed, over reactionary tirade was utterly predictable, and the third and long hail mary pass anyone with a brain expected.

It's her only option left, and its going to fail. She's gotten terrible advice from some campaign advisor's who I think HILLARY supporters ought to be describing as miserable failures. Despite my wholehearted support for my candidate, I think its a damn shame how totally out of touch they have been - I wanted Obama to win, I didn't want to watch Hillary end up being the candidate representing one of the worst run campaign is modern history. :(

[State the Obvious]

40. "She's gotten terrible advice from some campaign advisor"..that's a thread in itself.

I agree about the advice issue. There is a tragic element to watching this unfold....the June Cleaver "shame on you, Barack" comment....using the word "Xerox" instead of Fax or texting....and of course the rant itself. She is unintentionally proving to Americans that this political approach to her "debate" is old and tiresome. (And I think some of her advisors are old and tired as well)

[liberalnurse]

42. It most certainly does.

The flyers of intentional misinformation was sent to me and fellow Ohio Democrats. I got mine a few days ago and was so devastated by another Democrat, sabotaging health care reform!

Hillary was speaking for me and all Ohio voters.

[Political Heretic]

50. Not according to fact checking.

The Obama mailings do no more and no less than what Clinton mailings do, or any other political mailings do: present information in ways that most benefit their candidate. Both sides omit facts, both sides interpret information and draw conclusions from facts beyond the facts themselves.

Lies? Nope, not according to factcheck.org Misleading? No more than Hillary Clinton's direct mail and statements about Obama.

Hillary doesn't speak for all of anyone. Neither does Obama.

[dailykoff]

26. Not quite tactical enough.

The ploy was real but so was the hate. She let her inner Hillary show and it wasn't a pretty picture. If she wasn't a Clinton and the great white hope of the media goons and the rest of the corruptocracy, this would have been her Dean scream IMHO.

[UALRBSofL]

38. That is not fair I hate that phrase"Dean Scream"

Made up by the rethugs. Same with Hillary. She was just being matter-of-fact, to the point, and direct. How many of you supported and fought for Dean when that was floating around? Now, how many of you will fight for Hillary if the rethugs start that again against her???

[JTFrog]

27. Just building up momentum to unveil her new campaign logo:

[From The Left]

32. Hillary Can Still Cry at the Alamo

Nothing else has worked.

[OzarkDem]

36. Why is Obama so rude?

He reminds me of Bush with his petulance when things don't go his way. Its very immature.

[galadrium]

39. Rude? Are you kidding?

This guy is smooth, calm, and well spoken. Everything people look for in a president.

Hillary is the one that just went off like a scolding mother.

[K Gardner]

47. Its OPPOSITE DAY for Ozark Dem !! Ya gotta admire the desperation.

[ORDem]

51. No, it's just a normal day for OzarkDem. n/t

[Vinca]

41. If it was tactical, it was a very bad tactic.

How many millions did she pay Mark Penn for this advice?

[Jacobin]

46. Tactical? Like Napoleon's Waterloo?

Why yes, I think you are onto something there.

[RememberWellstone]

53. Contrived??

Honest Obama.....right.

Maybe the next time he lifts a speech, he actually give credit BEFORE/DURING his lifting?

[Muzza]

55. It's politics

Tactical or not, who cares. This is politics. Her anger and outrage was entirely justifiable given the shamelessness in which the Obama campaign has been run. Maybe at that moment she connected with the RAGE that many people are experiencing watching this man getting a totally FREE RIDE from all criticism and serious analysis. Hell, I'd be darn angry as well! Infact, I am!

People's emotions are constantly changing. You can feel warmly about someone at one moment and than angry at them the next day. This is HUMAN NATURE. Learn about your own psyches and you will stop resorting to these pathetically weak attacks on a woman who has the courage to express her real opinions without pandering to every single voter in the country. I have no idea about what Barack Obama thinks about anything because his opinions flip/flop depending on which voting group he is trying to seduce. He is a pathetically weak politician in this regard.

[NastyRiffraff]

57. Politics! In a primary race!!!

I'm shocked. Just shocked! Nothing like this has ever happened before! :sarcasm:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

59. She is a smart women.

[FrenchieCat]

60. She did come up with the politics of NOPE, didn't she......

How brilliant was that? :shrug:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

61. did you call your doctor to up your meds, sweety?...............

[Forkboy]

62. What's with the home pics on DU today?

[FrenchieCat]

64. I don't need meds!

Sweetheart!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

65. ya know what Frenchie..if it wasn't the Primary I would probably like you immensely

[Medusa]

63. 100%

hell, 500%