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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:57 PM
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Hillary's misleading messages!
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 12:21 AM by ProSense
"We have not, are not, and will not pursue the pledged delegates of Barack Obama," Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson said in a conference call with reporters, in which the Clinton camp was discussing the upcoming contests in Texas and Ohio.

link


Yet they are, coerce every delegate:


Paid for by Hillary Clinton for President



Clinton: ‘I’m in, and I’m in to win’

Plagiarized


On plagiarism charge:

"Look, it's not us making this charge. It's the media. You know, the media is finally examining my opponent which I think is important because we're trying to pick a president, someone for the toughest job in the world <...> So, I think the media is going to be putting forth whatever facts and information it has for voters to assess on their own." -- Hillary

Another lie


On Obama's record:

The reality is, since Sen. Obama joined the Senate (applying the same standard the email applies to Hillary) he has sponsored two bills that have become law

link

Not true



Clinton attacks Obama as all talk, little substance

specifics



(PDF)




edited typo.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:27 AM
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1. Hillary's misleading history
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:31 AM
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2. I guess you're forgetting Obama's "Harry and Louise" mailer. Silly me, He can do no wrong.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:45 AM
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3. Are you seriously trying to equate this despicable demagoguery claim to that ad?
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 12:46 AM by ProSense
Harry & Louise Again?


According to news reports, the Clinton campaign lashed out at the use of the mailer in a conference call with selected reporters, complaining that the mail piece bears a resemblance to the "Harry and Louise" TV spots of 1993 and 1994 (pictured here).

One person on the call emotionally said the Obama mail piece was "outrageous as having Nazis march through Skokie, Illinois." That outburst was quickly disavowed during the call by Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson, who said it is "not a comparison that (the campaign) would make." The unpaid health care adviser who made the remark, Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, later apologized. He sent an e-mail to reporters saying, "My passions overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate."

We agree that there is a resemblance between the photo on the Obama mailer and the TV spots. In those ads actors portraying a white, middle-class couple expressed grave concerns about how the Clinton administration's health care plan would affect them. The ads were part of a $17 million campaign by the insurance industry that was widely credited – rightly or wrongly – with contributing to the defeat of the Clinton plan, and the ads still anger many advocates of broader government efforts to provide health insurance. But so far as we can see, Obama's choice of images in his mailer has nothing whatever to do with the accuracy of the claims it makes, or the accuracy of what "Harry and Louise" said, for that matter.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:38 AM
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4. This is Hillary's entire campaign: distort. n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:40 AM
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5. Thank you.
Nominated.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:42 AM
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6. thanks.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:46 AM
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7. Thank GOD for the three thread limit. No, not Thank Obama - thank GOD.
Yeah, yeah, we know Pro. Jesus has selected Obama and we should all just bow down before Him Almighty.
Obama campaign has developed troubling feel of a cult
Candidate fills the air with empty promises


There's no better path to success than getting people to buy a free commodity. Like the genius who figured out how to get people to pay for water: bottle it (Aquafina was revealed to be nothing more than reprocessed tap water) and charge more than they pay for gasoline. Or consider how Google found a way to sell dictionary nouns - boat, shoe, clock - by charging advertisers zillions to be listed whenever the word is searched.

And now, in the most amazing trick of all, a silver-tongued freshman senator has found a way to sell hope. To get it, you need only give him your vote. Barack Obama is getting millions.

This kind of sale is hardly new. Organized religion has been offering a similar commodity - salvation - for millennia. Which is why the Obama campaign has the feel of a religious revival with, as writer James Wolcott observed, a "salvational fervor" and "idealistic zeal divorced from any particular policy or cause and chariot-driven by pure euphoria."

"We are the hope of the future," sayeth Obama. We can "remake this world as it should be." Believe in me and I shall redeem not just you but your country - nay, we can become "a hymn that will heal this nation, repair this world, and make this time different than all the rest."




http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080215/OPINION/802150348/1322/NEWS97


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:49 AM
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8. You're quoting Charles Krauthammer?
Damn, that's extreme desperation!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:52 PM
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12. "Obama campaign has developed troubling feel of a cult "
Krauthammer echoes Hillary? Or is the other way around?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:26 PM
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9. Obama on plagiarism: "this is where we start getting into silly season"
SEN. OBAMA: Well, look, the -- first of all, it's not a lot of speeches. There are two lines in speeches that I've been giving over the last couple of weeks. I've been campaigning now for the last two years. Deval is a national co-chairman of my campaign and suggested an argument that I share, that words are important, words matter, and the implication that they don't, I think, diminishes how important it is to speak to the American people directly about making America as good as its promise. And Barbara Jordan understood this as well as anybody.

Now, the notion that I had plagiarized from somebody who's one of my national co-chairs -- (laughter) -- who gave me the line and suggested that I use it, I think is silly. (Cheers, applause.)

And -- you know, but -- but -- but this is where we start getting into silly season in politics, and I think people start getting discouraged about it. (Cheers, applause.) They don't want -- what they want is, how are we going to create good jobs at good wages? How are we going to provide health care to the American people? How are we going to make sure that college is affordable?

So what I have been talking about in these speeches -- and I got to admit, some of them are pretty good -- (laughter, cheers, applause) -- what I've been talking about is not just hope and not just inspiration; it's a $4,000 tuition credit for every student every year -- (cheers, applause) -- in exchange for national service so that college becomes more affordable. I've been talking about making sure that we change our tax code so that working families actually get relief. I have been talking about making sure that we bring an end to this war in Iraq so that we can start bringing our troops home and invest money here in the United States. (Applause.)

And so just to finish up, these are very specific, concrete, detailed proposals, many of them which I've been working on for years now. Senator Clinton has a fine record.

So do I. And I'm happy to have a debate on the issues, but what we shouldn't be spending time doing is tearing each other down. We should be spending time lifting the country up. (Cheers, applause.)

MS. BROWN: Senator Clinton, is it the silly season?

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LOL!

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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:30 PM
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10. that was such a fantastic comeback.
the man is smart as anything.
;)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:39 AM
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11. Agree! Hillary's "plagiarism" rule doesn't apply to her:
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 08:48 AM by ProSense
http://www.dailykos.com">Hillary Clinton Borrows Edwards Finishing Line

Hillary Channels Bill
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