How do people do it?

[RestoreGore]

How do you go from one day trashing someone and then the next day you make nice because they are the nominee or vice versa? I have never seen such a phony BS system devoid of principle or showing any sort of mercy to the losers. And I really am not in either the Obama or Clinton camps (although what I am reading about Obama hasn't impressed me much and makes me see that many of his supporters really are trying to hide the fact that he is no different than Clinton) but really, did Clinton make a concession speech and end her campaign yesterday? Until she does or if she does, I think it is really a bit arrogant to gloat. I can see so clearly why Al Gore fell out of love with this nasty vapid process, and maybe that is really why we didn't see any endorsement from him and others. I don't know how Clinton will fare should she stay in and while I have not been a fan of hers, I still don't quite understand the absolute gleeful relish some will take at sticking the knife in her heart, or vice versa. It really does have a "neocon" flavor to it, and as of now, while I will more than likely do my "duty" to keep McCain out, I am done with this.

[displacedtexan]

1. Both Obama and Clinton are Big D Democrats, that's how.

I have fought for and defended Clinton during this primary, but I'm
all for the Big D Democrat in the GE.

No matter which one it is.

That's how I do it.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. making sausage is even worse.

[shenmue]

3. There are plenty of states that haven't done anything yet...

and literally hundreds of delegates to go. Don't forget that only superdelegates have a vote, so most polls and articles et al. have nothing to do with the reality of the electoral process, and I don't care how snappy the headlines are.

It's nice to see someone who's not rubbing their hands and acting snotty about it. Respect for the day-to-day workings of democracy is not common here anymore.

Wonder what they'll do after their cranky little putsch comes to an end and they have to actually do something? Do a lot of these people even understand what a political party even is?

[kurth]

8. Nah, nothing to do. The GOP will 'come to Obama'

just like everyone else.

[RestoreGore]

17. Are you serious?

I just realized you probably weren't... right?

[kurth]

39. Right. Obamites should read David Brooks in today's NYT.

For the record, I hate Brooks.

[RestoreGore]

15. yes, and my concern too...

Is that on the whole people become so obsessed with just winning that we lose sight of how we win, which to me is important. And will all of these "youth" voters rushing to place a vote be back? Or is this just something to do now because it feels exciting? What about when the really hard nitty gritty work of being a concerned citizen and getting your hands dirty and being a part of that change everyday without the balloons, confetti, and media spotlight on that 'change' needs to begin? But yes, there are other contests to go and many other delegates. However, truly watching this process play out as it should without the celebrity endorsements taking up airtime over issues, the media stepping in to skew the results, and the all out attempts to not just beat someone but beat them down have absolutely turned me off to this process.

[zabet]

4. Yeah, that extended olive branch looks more

like a whipping stick than anything else.
Especially after being repeatedly called
a fascist, a Hillbot, a Shrillary/Billary
supporter, a racist, a hate-monger, a war-
monger, a freeper, a troll....
(and those are just the ones I am
not ashamed to repeat). After Obama supporters
have treated Hillary supporters with such hate,
do they really expect Hillary supporters to
believe their 'peace offering' is truly heartfelt
and not just an attempt to get everyone on board
the 'group think' bus?

[adabfree]

9. Please don't use such a broad brush...you can count

this Obama supporter out of that "olive branch" loop...I'm not feeling all fuzzy and warm.....

I'm all for him stomping a mudhole in Hillary chances, just obliterating her in the remaining states and going on to beat McNot like Ike Turner...there's a race to win...

People will either vote for Obama, if he's the nominee, or they won't (same for Hillary)..

[zabet]

18. Broad brush?

Where did I say ALL the Obama supporters
were doing this?

Seems like you are the one dipping in the
paint bucket this morning...and the fumes
are getting to you.

[adabfree]

27. "After Obama supporters"

Sounds all inclusive to me...

You failed to use "some or most!"

Your brush. Your fumes. Own it!

[zabet]

38. "Sounds"

that is the key, I did not
quantify with 'ALL' either.
You must be in excellent physical
shape with all the jumping at nothing
that you do.

"Own it!" Thanks Dr. Phil :eyes:

[adabfree]

40. Ha Ha..Do your dance...

I understand, you're in quite a bit of pain right..but don't worry it will get better...

[zabet]

42. You know nothing about how I feel

so do not even pretend to go there.
I have no pain, I have been a political
junkie for far too many years for stupidity
as this to cause me pain. Sadness, yes but,
not for the reasons you assume.
I want some more predictions out of that
crystal ball seeing as you know things will
get better. Wake up, the next sitting President
will have to deal with a huge economic downfall,
on a national and global level. Don't even think
for a minute that bipartisan posturing will stop
the political games by the republicans. We have
a majority in Congress and cannot control them.
Reaching across the aisle will get us more Liebermans,
something about standing in shit makes you stink.
That is my sadness, the next President, especially a
Dem, has an uphill battle from Hell and I am afraid
they will lose it.

[adabfree]

44. Hmmmm..Okay...call me when you're feeling better..

[zabet]

48. Bwahahaha!

Like I would call you....period.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[adabfree]

49. As Usher said, you don't have call,..but I still wish you

a deep sleep...hopefully while you're dozing, that festering boil lying so heavily on your spirit will burst open and ooze into the sewer positioned just beneath your soul; and as such you will awake to a world of sunshine, warmth, possibility and optimism.


I'm very sympathetic. Truly I am. I shall light a candle for you...a long tapered candle with extended life..

Rest...rest!

[RestoreGore]

46. Yes, as the saying goes, "if you lie down with dogs, you get up with flees"

I share your concern. This is not the time to be singing kumbaya with the very people who are causing the downfall of this country, and I am very wary about the results of doing that now.

[kurth]

5. Winning hearts and minds

Resist UNITY and you're a traitor. Déjà vu, heh?

[RestoreGore]

19. "you're either with us or against us"

yes, sounds really familiar.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

6. It's called putting aside your differences for a greater good. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. I'm Sorry

Once you crapped on me or someone I like you have created a divide that can not be mended...I will neither support or oppose Obama's candidacy in the Fall...

All I have is my vote and it's not for sale, mediation, or bargain...

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

25. How exactly has Obama crapped on you? n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. His Supporters

When you empower a candidate you empower his or her supporters... History is replete with examples of this phenomenon and most of the examples are dark and sorrowful...

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

33. You mean internet discussion forum morons?

Seriously? Seriously? Every candidate has some retards amongst the ranks of their supporters. For every person here who feels like they've been wronged by Obama supporters, there's probably someone else who feels just as strongly that they've been wronged by supporters of some other campaign. I think you take what you read here far too seriously.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. It's Not Unique To Just This Site

Whenever there is a discussion of HRC on the net she is pilloried in the comment section and most of the pillorying comments are coming from one group...

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

43. People saying nasty things on anonymous websites?

Horrors! You may only see this being directed towards Hillary, but I've seen it directed towards every single candidate and their supporters.

[Skittles]

55. no, yibbe

I am 50 and I have never seen such hatred directed towards a single candidate from BOTH REPUKES AND DEMOCRATS. Do not try to tell me this is just politics as usual - IT IS NOT.

[paulk]

37. it's not just here

I've experienced much the same out in the real world with overzealous Obama supporters. There is a certain "feel" to this campaign, an anomosity - that goes beyond anything I've felt in quite some time. There is a real split in the Democratic Party developing.

I think it can and will be overcome by November, but don't just write it off as a reaction to "dicussion forum morons".

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

41. Funny.

This is exactly what some Obama supporters say about the Clinton campaign. So many people on here whine about how their opponent's supporters are Big Meanies. Maybe it's time for everyone to realize that it cuts both ways.

[RestoreGore]

45. But why does it have to cut any way?

is that really the nature of politics?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

50. Nature of politics? It's part of the nature of competition.

You think this is bad? Look at soccer hooligans. People say nasty things about the other side and the other side's supporters during campaigns. There's nothing fundamentally different about Obama supporters vs. Hillary supporters as human beings.

[RestoreGore]

53. Well, I'm glad I'm not that competitive then

And yes, this nastiness is not new. Which tells me it's not about to change anytime soon.

[RestoreGore]

47. or walking in lockstep depending on your perspective.

[Skittles]

7. bunch of juvenile FREAKS on this board

who CLEARLY have forgotten who the enemy is - in my 50 years I have never seen such f***ing IDIOCY and UTTER HATRED from Democrats - NEVER. And it makes me wonder because it just so happens to be the FIRST FEMALE CANDIDATE they are sticking it to.

[JoFerret]

10. Nail on the head there

The level of sexist abuse and so-called "humor" has been disgraceful.

At least the response was not to engage in the racial equivalent.

The double standard is alive and well in DU and the democratic party.

[Skittles]

13. oh, now we will hear it

how it has nothing to do with sexism - yet they will not explain the utter hatred that up until the campaign was DERIDED on DU as so-called MEDIA-INDUCED GARBAGE. It would appear to me their propaganda worked on more than just the sheep. REGARDLESS of how one felt about her positions (I myself despise her support of the war), the level of hatred displayed here could NEVER BE JUSTIFIED. It is absolutely SICKENING.

[RestoreGore]

16. yes, perhaps if Hillary Clinton were a man it might not be so vitriolic towards her

Though I am sure many would deny that for obvious reasons.

[Skittles]

23. I've never seen ANY other candidate turn DUers into f'n FREEPERS

devoid of all logic and reason, just hurling abuse - and NONE of them can explain their level of sheer hatred or why they think "their candidate" can do no wrong. I would never have believed it if I didn't see it with my own eyes. Just sickening.

[Sadie5]

21. It is truly sad

when long time supporters of DU are called names and are attacked if they post pro Hilary or even dare to point out the obvious about BO. Now we are attacked if we mention MO and her problem of spouting off. One poster in another thread wondered when the Obamas would take old Pat out. In the same thread a long time poster mentioned the albatross that will hang around the Obama's torso as time goes on. That remark was taken out of context and was posted as though the long time poster had referred to a noose. This is getting ridiculous and the DU staff needs to weed out the name calling newbies. Those who are oldies and have jumped on the Obama band wagon should be a bit nicer if they expect us to work with them in harmony in November. All of these folks who have participated in the hatred of Hillary are doing nothing but playing into the hands of the GOP who will laugh all the way to a McCain white house. Yes...you heard me correctly, these so called Indys who are moving to the Obama side will likely be voting for McCain in the fall and you can take it to the bank.

[Skittles]

26. so many DUers played straight into the corporate media's hands

it makes me fear for the future of America if so-called Democrats are so easily influenced by GOP garbage, right along with the freepers they DESPISE. :puke:

[RestoreGore]

31. And you can't mention that here either...

if you even suggest that independents and Republicans in part may have just crossed over to vote for Obama because they hate Clinton and want to keep her out you are lambasted. Do some really not understand the hatred of the RW? I don't think many of those crossovers will be back in November either, and we may then have left ourselves open for defeat by alienating Democrats because we catered more to their base than our own. I really hope not, but nothing is written in stone so the cockiness showed by some is not only premature to me, it is downright ignorant.

[paperbag_ princess]

11. all these calls for unity are too late and seem fake

I agree you can't turn a 180 overnight. Obama supporters are seeing the writing on the wall...they need the Hillary supporters....

Since they think this thing is wrapped up, it is time for everyone to step in line...and they are willing to throw a few bones in empty compliments and pleas for unity and think that should be enough.

It is all coming across as very very insincere....and in my book it is far from enough.

It will take a lot of time to forgive my party over this. My vote remains a write in for Hillary until I am convinced that Obama deserves my vote....as a supporter you are a ambassador of your candidate...and I am not impressed.


Edit to add; I just wanted to say that I agree with post 7 and 10....there is going to have to be a serious conversation regarding sexism when all is said and done.

[RestoreGore]

20. yes, I think this should also bring about a discussion of sexism in U.S. politics....

Which is long overdue.

[Skittles]

28. they're painting her as a huge f***ing loser

WHY? I have never been a fan but what she has accomplished is nothing short of AMAZING.

[RestoreGore]

51. I'm not fan either, but if she inspires other young women to run for office that will be amazing

[berni_mccoy]

12. Because DUers are Human. Emotions take over. I've seen you engage in angry rhetoric too

It's easy to be baited into an argument. During the Gore-Will-Run days, while you were right, you still got sucked into the arguing, namecalling and childish crap. But it's all pa5t of being human. We say things we regret. We do things we are not proud of. To judge people for it, frankly, is casting a stone in a glass house.

[Skittles]

14. no

you are describing NORMAL reactions. The level of hatred and abuse hurled at Hillary and her supporters has gone WAY beyond the bounds of decency. And I have not been a fan of EITHER CANDIDATE.

[RestoreGore]

22. No I didn't

I have NEVER sunk to the depths this board has in the last few months. And pointing fingers at me does nothing to discuss the OP.

[berni_mccoy]

32. Ok, when I have the time, I'll go dig up some of your responses and we'll see.

I've bookmarked this thread.

[RestoreGore]

34. Hey, if there is nothing more important for you to do knock yourself out

You just made my point all the clearer. So since you don't seem to have anything else to do today, here: Start with my journal, because for every response you can find to try to make some point that isn't even the point of this OP, I can find TWENTY in response to my opinions, which as you stated were right. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/RestoreGore And the vitriol has even spread to Mr. Gore here when threads are posted about his work. Politics surely is s despicable sport.

[berni_mccoy]

35. You are wrong. I do it out of love for you.

:hug: :pals:

I want to show you the error of you ways because I care.

[SammyWinstonJack]

29. K&R!

[Egnever]

52. Some of us see Clinton as a continuation of everything that is wrong with politics

I started as a Biden supporter. Knowing going in that The only one I really didn't want was Hillary.

By the time Joe dropped out Obama was already my second choice. Yes it gives me pleasure to see the Cluster bomb loving Iran agitating IWR voter go down in flames. I am pro Howard Dean and anti DLC so she is my worst nightmare on the Dem ticket. I get personal satisfaction seeing that wing of the party being stripped of its power.

There are some of us out there who don't want Hillary anywhere near the top of the ticket. For those of us that feel this way seeing her crash and burn gives us great hope in our fellow americans.

When this race started and it looked like Hillary was inevitable. I consoled myself with the fact that at least we would have a woman president. As time has gone on and I have watched her campaign not even that is positive enough to make me want to see her anywhere near the White House.

[RestoreGore]

54. So this primary wasn't about issues, but revenge? Is that it?

I'm no lover of DLC policies either and don't think the war would end if Hillary Clinton was elected, but when you look at Obama's record and his plans there is really no huge difference in them and actually no guarantee that we still will not be in a war with Iran, Syria, or even Pakistan (which he has mentioned in debates numerous times) should he be there. He is also AIPAC approved, so how does that not translate into more of the same regardless of the words or who gets there? And how does that account for the sickening sexist degradation of Clinton beyond what some may think of her "policies" that really sends a strong signal about how strong women are thought of still by a segment of this society? And even though Obama has not yet impressed me with his rhetoric based on little action in the past, I would not stoop to some of the horrible things being said and posted not just here, but elsewhere and the subtle innuendos being passed around. So question: should Obama not be able to end the war in Iraq that he also voted to fund, or we do wind up in Iran or Syria still what will you do then? Will the policies you abhor really have crashed and burned? Will people who support him then say the war is justified? I'm all for debating and speaking truth about candiates' records and asking hard questions of them, but that is not what we have seen on the whole here and it presents a very ugly face to this party that I am not particularly liking right now. You may take great pleasure in sticking the knife in and twisitng it, but you better be sure that what you then support isn't really more of the same. And I'm not so sure about that.

[FlyingSquirrel]

56. I personally did it by not trashing Obama while I was an Edwards supporter

And have not trashed Hillary while supporting Obama (but have certainly posted my points of view as to why I believe she is the wrong choice at this time)