Obama Admits Plagiarism in Press Conference!

[kennetha]

See this report of a press conference held earlier today http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-campaign.html">Obama Campaign On Defensive, Points Plagiarism to Clinton. He basically admits he plagiarized, but tries to brush it off as inconsequential and then tries to say that Clinton does it too.

We'll see how inconsequential it really is, soon.

[ShortnFiery]

1. Gawd! Not this inane shit again?!?

:thumbsdown:

[islandmkl]

4. it's only been about 15 minutes...they gotta keep something ALIVE...

[Danieljay]

10. Howard Wolfson needs to get a life. What a puke. n/t

[Renew Deal]

46. We've seen it before. Reagan, cults, Rezco. In the end Hillary still loses.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

109. its Hillary, trying to "keep hope alive" for her sagging campaign

this is very Clintonesque.

[MethuenProgressive]

17. Yup. The guy who is famous for making flowery speeches - has been dishonest with you.

It'll be OK, SnF. Don't panic. The sun'll come up tomorrow.

[ShortnFiery]

Wrong. HRC is shamelessly taking a page out of KKKarl Rove's "dirty tricks" playbook.

Are you surprised that you still have faces?

[MethuenProgressive]

100. Hillary tells the Boston "We Endorse Obama" Globe what to print, and made Obama confess....

You OK? Should someone check in on you?

[9119495]

88. It Takes a Village.

[Obamanaut]

117. post 115 nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

121. Pathetic. Gov. Patrick endorsed him long ago. who cares?

Pathetic to accuse him of doing anything wrong. He's quoting the Constitution, FDR, JFK, Dr. King...

Gov. Patrick endorsed him long ago. who cares? get over yourself.

[HeraldSquare212]

2. I heard he copped to jaywalking, too.

[Pirate Smile]

3. Here is what he said: “He had suggested that we use these lines…I thought they were good lines. I’m

sure I should have (given him credit), didn’t this time.”

Oh, wow, that will really kill him OR it will kill this little mini-scandal the Clinton campaign tried to create. I think it does the later.

[kennetha]

12. Basically he's admitting that he didn't attribute where he should have.

In my book, that's admitting that he plagiarized. Why didn't he just attribute in the first place? Because he wanted to present Patrick's words as his own. So he intentionally and knowingly plagiarized. And now he's admitted it.

[amborin]

27. failure to atttribute==plagiarism

you can get thrown out of academia for failing to attribute ideas, words, text, etc....

[9119495]

89. It Takes a Village.

[Obamanaut]

115. Didn't someone use these words in print previously? Does that

make the post - what? All together now class.......

[ElsewheresDaughter]

151. ty

[MNDemNY]

41. It would certainly effect a grade on a paper, if one neglects to attribute.

If done intentionally would warrant a Fail, and possibly sanctions.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

51. the source (Patrick) gave him permission to use the lines

so again, that is not plagiarism.

please try again.

[MNDemNY]

57. Sorry that doesn't cut it.

[jenmito]

70. Yes it does. "Plagiarism" is STEALING someone else's words. n/t

[MNDemNY]

73. .

:nopity: :nopity:

[jenmito]

80. I play the violin. Thanks for those! But they have nothing to do with the fact that he didn't

steal Patrick's words.

[amborin]

86. obama committed plagiarism

using another's ideas, words, material, etc...without attributing those ideas, words, etc.....to their author

[jenmito]

90. It would be plagiarism if he used those words without permission.

[MNDemNY]

106. No, it's plagiarism if he uses the words without attribution.

[jenmito]

108. ...and without permission.

[MNDemNY]

112. Sorry, that element is not necessary.

[amborin]

113. no, it's plagiarism to use without attribution

the failure to attribute is what makes it plagiarism

[Guaranteed]

147. Not when the author TELLS you not to attribute it. nt

[iconoclastic cat]

114. Gah! Enough with these stupid high-school definintions of plagiarism!

Please, please quit whipping yourself into a frenzy with this retarded point of view.

[9119495]

93. It Takes a Village.

[MNDemNY]

98. Your point of "She did it ,too" is lost on me.

I don't like her either.

[jenmito]

107. The definition of "plagiarism" is apparently lost on you, too.

[MNDemNY]

110. You should check out the definition.

"Permission " from the originator, does not make it any less plagiarist.

[jenmito]

101. "And that village went for Obama."-Bill Maher

[Obamanaut]

118. post 115 nt

[Scriptor Ignotus]

152. if you lend your neighbor your lawnmower

would you then call the cops to arrest them for stealing it?

[snappyturtle]

74. Do you feel the same way about this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4642517&mesg_id=4642642

Vinca (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-18-08 11:04 AM
Response to Original message
7. Oh, my, lookie what I found -
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 11:31 AM by Vinca
"As president I know I can't kill, jail or occupy every nation we don't agree with and I cannot just wish that all the terrorists be wiped off the face of the Earth." - Hillary Clinton, 2/10/2007

That sure sounds familiar....

"If you got an interdependent world, and you cannot kill, jail or occupy all your adversaries, sooner or later you have to make a deal." - Bill Clinton, 4/16/2005

Wait, wait, I know what you're going to say - IT DOESN'T COUNT!

[islandmkl]

132. you're like Shaft....you a bad MF'er!!

:evilgrin:

[snappyturtle]

134. ? If this is a joke, it's a poor one. If not, shame on you. n/t

[islandmkl]

142. it was an allusion to the depth of your research...

i doubt that many posters, especially on the particular thread, have either the resources or abilities to present such a counter-argument. Not a joke...more of an Isaac Hayes compliment. Nothing evil intended.

[snappyturtle]

144. Sorry....I'm a bit snarky and bucky today. No evil taken. n/t

[tulsakatz]

28. mini-scandal is right!

I wouldn't even have known about this if I didn't come to DU! NO ONE in the media is talking about it....

It just shows that only a few disgruntled people are trying to keep it going.....

[griffi94]

5. good lord

he seems as bad as his supporters.....i was told many times here in this forum...that i shouldn't hold the behavior of the obama minions against the candidate himself.....but here he is pulling the same shit
....i didn't do it...and even if i did it's no bid deal.....hillary does it too....the rap among the obamabots has been that hillary is pure evil...no better than a neocon...but now it's ok to use the excuse that hillary does it too.....what a fuckin copout......let the spinning begin lol

[Danieljay]

6. "It raises questions about the premise of his candidacy," Clinton camp will stop at nothing.

"It raises questions about the premise of his candidacy," Wolfson told reporters in a conference call.

Give me a flippin break. Howard Wolfson has no shame. :puke:

[MNDemNY]

7. Cage match. The only solution.

Maybe they will disable each other, allowing a real DEMOCRAT to win the nomination.

[goldcanyonaz]

14. Or they'll just give him another pass and straighten out his halo.

[MNDemNY]

25. Good point, I'll consult Larry Sinclair.He'll know.

[goldcanyonaz]

34. !!!!

:rofl:

:yourock:

[goclark]

38. It never left his head in my book !

:bounce:
Fired up and ready to Go!

[MNDemNY]

48. What's a "helo"?

Are you sure it's straight? Larry Sinclair begs to differ.

[9119495]

91. It Takes a Village.

[MethuenProgressive]

8. He admits it? But the DUbamas say it never happened!!! Quick! Hide all the sharp utensils!!

Please, stay calm DUbamas, just breath... in... out... in...

[griffi94]

16. ok so he admitted it

it's no big deal...he said so himself.....hillary does it too...whine....whine.....whine
mean old media....lol

[Mags]

18. Don't you know by now that their God can do no wrong?

[Bluerthanblue]

36. hmmm....

you really must not feel very ok about your candidate if this is all you have to offer.

:shrug:

I hope you come to a place where you don't feel the need to tear others down in order to build yourself up.



peace~

[Mags]

125. I feel great about Ms. Clinton and her chances. Don't know

how I'm tearing anyone down with my statement. Explain?

[Bluerthanblue]

137. I don't want to be rude and simply

ignore you- So I'm going to reply and say, your words are all the explanation you need.

"don't you know by now thier God can do no wrong"-

:shrug:

I hope that you will find a candidate who you can support based on discussing their positive qualities- there is far too much negativity in the world already.


peace~

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. you made pepsi come out of my nose

:spray:

[Faygo Kid]

24. Now if only Hillary would admit her vote to enable Bush to go to war was wrong. . .

I would kind of like to have a president that admits a mistake for a change. Sure as hell don't have it now, and won't have it with your candidate.

[Thrill]

9. When Patrick said he told him to use it

The Plagiarism argument goes out the window

[zulchzulu]

43. Ding ding! We have a winner!

If the original author of a phrase says to someone that they can use a phrase, it's called using a phrase.

"Plagiarism is the practice of claiming or implying original authorship of (or incorporating material from) someone else's written or creative work, in whole or in part, into one's own without adequate acknowledgement."

Patrick told Obama he could use his phrase.

[kennetha]

69. Obamaniacs keep repeating this line

But it's silly. Suppose I tell you that you can cheat off my exam or essay? When the teacher wants to bring you up on charges of plagiarism, do you think your defense can be "But he granted me permission to copy. So it's okay."

Of course not.

So the question here is who is analogous to the teacher in this situation. One of Barack/Deval? Or the voters? Obviously, it's the voters. We are the only one's who get to say whether this counts as cheating or not. We're the one who sets the rules of what counts as proper attribution or failure to attribute. Not Barack and Deval!! So please cut that argument from your arsenal. It's an insult to the voters and will get your campaign "suspended."

[amborin]

95. plagiarism is failing to attribute

words, ideas, text, materials, etc.....to their original author

obama committed plagiarism plain and simple

[MNDemNY]

61. No, still a failure to attribute.

Sorry, but you candidate was a bad, bad man. His attempt at deception was exposed.

[Political Heretic]

11. Sorta like when Clinton plagarized her health care plan from Edwards?

:shrug:

[amborin]

22. b.s.

clinton has been pushing healh care since the late 80s

[Political Heretic]

30. Yes, and when edwards better plan came along, she took it and represented it as her own

[Moochy]

13. Check your talking points

Wolfenson is backtracking now. Check your inbox/fax machine before posting. Things are changing rapidly and we must all coordinate our talking points!

[madfloridian]

15. Ed Schultz played his statement over and over and over.

This is so pathetic.

[Yurem2008]

33. Let Hillary waste time

thinking that the Plagiarismgate will stop Obama. The more that they spend time on 5this non-story the better for Obama because it shows to all that the Clintons continue their politics of personal destruction and gives a preview of what a disaster a Clinton restoration would be. It also plays into McLame's hands who is extremely pleased with the bickering in the Dem Party.

[bdamomma]

45. don't we need to focus on other things besides this?

[amborin]

20. Obama tries to brush everything off

like watering down the bill on nuclear waste...

so one of his corporate lobby funders Exelon did not have to suffer too much after contaminating the Illinois ground water with nuclear waste

[Rageneau]

21. Obama accuses Hillary of using his words, "America," "good", "USA" and "tires".

BO has said all those words at one time and if Hillary ever says any of them, she's a plagarist.

Never mind that Obama stole whole paragraphs from and is accusing Hillary of steal short, everyday, very common phrses from him.

[iconoclastic cat]

23. A lot of low-post-count trolls don't seem to see this backfiring on them, do they? nt

[Mags]

37. I have been here a lot longer then you , but you have more post.

I am not a troll, and just how can the truth backfire on us?

[iconoclastic cat]

52. Mags, this ain't truth. It's campaign spin on an inconsequential website.

I hate to break the news to you.

[ProSense]

26. Breaking: Wolfson admits it's not plagiarism

if Hillary does it.

The Clinton Campaign Just Now...

February 18, 2008 11:33 AM

In a conference call just now the Clinton campaign would not guarantee that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, has never used someone else's rhetoric without crediting them.

I asked Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson and Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass, if they could assure the public that neither Clinton nor McGovern has ever done what Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, did when he used the rhetoric of Gov. Deval Patrick without footnoting him.

They would not.

In fact, Wolfson seemed to say it wouldn't be as big a deal if it were discovered that Clinton had "lifted" such language.

"Sen. Clinton is not running on the strength of her rhetoric," Wolfson said.

Hmmmm.

Hillary's campaign phony charge is only a big deal because Obama's "rhetoric" is powerful and appealing to more people.

[madfloridian]

29. Are we having b***ing going on at DU?

From people who may or may not be Hillary supporters? b a i t i n g??

[iconoclastic cat]

39. You may be right! Conflict trolls! nt

[BuyingThyme]

31. Obama claimed "fired up and ready to go" as his own?

What a fucking dumbshit.

Why are politicians so stupid?

[NJmaverick]

32. Congratulations- MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

I will NEVER vote for a Clinton again. You have succeeded in turning me off of them FOREVER.

[Mags]

44. Obama will never get my vote and I'm not the only one.

[NJmaverick]

47. You will be replaced by Republicans of good conscience

and moral fiber as well as scores of independents. So you will not be missed

[GarbagemanLB]

50. Exactly.

[Renew Deal]

49. No loss

The republicans appreciate it.

[NJmaverick]

64. Hillary only has appeal with Democrats

So I don't think you can be cavalier with people from the only group that would consider voting for her.

[iconoclastic cat]

56. Boo frickin' hoo. nt

[NJmaverick]

67. Not sure what you trying to accomplish

but if you are trying to ensure your candidate is as unpopular as George Bush, you are succeeding.

[iconoclastic cat]

104. Nomad, what the hell are you talking about?

Tell me how my mocking this post is going to cause a collapse in Sen. Obama's presidential approval ratings. Go on.

Man, I know you have a rational side. I've seen it. I think it's time you stepped away from your computer and found something to do outdoors.

[NJmaverick]

120. If Hillary attracts these types of people and inspires this sort of behavior

What will she do as president? For more years than I can count, I have faught against the right wing nut jobs and the partisan republican hacks. I would call them on the carpet for the way they conducted themselves. I told them it was wrong and immoral and hurt our Country. Now how after all of that, could I turn around and reward a Democrat for doing the exact same thing? What sort of message does that send to our politicians? Be as bad as possible, it's the only way you will get my vote? I have to stand on moral principles.

[iconoclastic cat]

129. Guilt-by-association, and association with random DUers to boot?

Come on. Listen to yourself. That is neither a logical argument nor intellectually honest. Not only that, but you know damn well that people write all kinds of crap online which they would never act on in real life.

This is not reality. This is a stupid message board.

[NJmaverick]

143. I would agree with what you said, BUT

and it's a big "but". Hillary, Bill and Chelsea are guilty of the same behavior. They seem to be leading by example. You know for years I could never understand why the Clintons inspired such hatred. After all his policies were moderate, the Country did very well during his presidency. So why was there such venom and hate directed at them? Well I guess I am guilty of looking the other way. Consciously or unconsciously I didn't pick up the fact that they were employing the same tactics (be it less refined and not as dishonest) as Karl Rove. I was able to clearly see those refined tactics in Rove. It was something that angered me beyond belief. I felt those tactics were dishonest, unethical and immoral. I honestly felt those tactics hurt the Country and I have publicly stated as much.
Wouldn't I be a major league hyporcrite if I suddenly changed my views on these tactics? How can I have spent years saying how bad these tactics were, and then suddenly turn around and say they are OK because a Democrat is using them? The Clintons and her supporters are acting exactly as Bush and his supporters acted. There is no difference other than the R is now a D. I didn't engage in politics for personal gain or a lust for power. I wanted the Country to be better. I wanted it freed from the right wingers and the way they did things. While there is little doubt Hillary will be more liberal than George Bush, I see little reason she will be any more honest or ethical. These traits matter to me, maybe I am an idealist, but I have to think that my voice matters. It matters enough that I have to send a message to the candidates and their supporters that politics, as usual, is no longer acceptable. It's perhaps the biggest reason I am supporting Obama. He is has Carter's ethics and honesty combined with Reagan's leadership and charisma (even if he led the Country in the wrong direct, there is no arguing his ability to lead). He is what I want in a president.

[CardInAustin]

103. Congratulations!

Way to go! Senator McCain says thank you.

For the record, I support Obama. However, if Hillary wins the nomination I will gladly support her in the general election.

[Mags]

77. You just said you would never vote Clinton again. I have the

same right as you. But BO's followers must come back with nasty arrogant remarks. Hope you are all happy with Republican supporting your man and his close relationship with him. I've been a Democrat for 50 yrs. and it will be the first time I refuse to vote for a Dem. nominee if it is Obama. You people have turned be totally against him and his followers with your actions on DU.

[NJmaverick]

84. I am happy that AMERICANS are supporting my candidate

I am sick and tired of the George Bushes and the Hillary Clintons that think the president should only serve part of the American people. As for people having turned totally against your candidate, you only have yourself and the Clintons to thank for that.

[Mags]

94. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. You could be

totally embarrassed.

[NJmaverick]

102. I am sure Obama will win the popular vote

I am not sure your candidate wont steal the election. If that happens I will not vote for her.

[stillcool]

35. It's "Word-Gate"!!

I think a Congressional Investigation is in order!

[Tarc]

40. Looks like DU's Team Obama is going to have to adjust their talking points

IT ISN'T PLAGIARISM
to
IT WAS, BUT IT IS NO BIG DEAL

(which really means "it is ok, because Obama did it")

[Moochy]

58. Tarc maybe you can help us out

how does your organization get its talking points so royally fucked up?

We can learn from Penn and Wolfenson how not to run a smear campaign.

[Tarc]

66. You're beyond help, I'm afraid

Funny how much Huckabee evangelicals and Obamaniacs have in common lately. Nothing can penetrate the aura, nothing can tip the halo off the anointed one.

Defend, deflect, obfuscate, dismiss.

[Moochy]

78. Ad Hominems... par for the course with HRC shills

Now run back to the fax machine and pick up your next talking point assignment. This next post of yours could be the one that puts the final nail in the coffin of Obamamania. Keep up the great work, Tarc!

[Tarc]

149. I reserve the intelligent responses for the intelligent users

Which explains why this is the level of discourse that you deserve.

Garbage In, Garbage Out.

[1776Forever]

42. At last an honest man running for President - Oh My God!!!!!!!!! Can you believe it?

I look at it like this - Obama can admit he might have made a mistake - can Hillary or Bill??????????? NOT!!!!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4642975

Clinton Stole The Phrase “Fired Up And Ready To Go” From Obama. “We are fired up and we are ready to go because we know America is ready for change and the process starts right here in Iowa.” In Davenport, Iowa, those words escaped the barriers of a tired Hillary Clinton’s teeth. Without irony. That phrase is associated with Barack Obama. Obama borrows it from a woman in South Carolina who helped remind him what was important in life. It’s the signature, in fact, of Obama’s close.

Clinton Stole Rhetoric From Obama And Said She Wanted “Bring Our Country Together” And How She’s Not Running For President Of The Sates That Voted For Democrats. “One other thing about those Clinton events yesterday: The woman is not at all bashful about stealing from her rivals. Between the two events, I counted six rhetorical turns I’ve heard other candidates employ: She talked about goals ‘I hope will bring our country together,’ a la Barack Obama. In response to a question about excessive partisanship, she talked about how she’s not running to be president of the states that voted for Democrats, she’s running to be president of the United States. This closely resembles Obama’s ‘I don’t want to pit red America against blue America. I want to be the President of the United States of America.’”

Clinton, Stealing Obama’s Line, “Yes, We Can” Said That Obama Was The “No We Can’t” Candidate And Said In Contrast, “Yes We Can.” Stealing a line, Clinton casts Obama as the “no we can’t” candidate, and herself as saying “yes, we can.” Obama is the “Yes We Can” candidate of the 2008 presidential race, an Elvis-like presence riding a wave of popular enthusiasm unseen in U.S. politics in many years. Democratic strategist Liz Chadderdon said Obama is sweeping Americans off their feet.”It’s this incredibly moving speech about how it’s time for Americans to turn inward and fix America’s problems. You listen to it and you say ‘Yes.’ Not that what’s coming out of her mouth isn’t solid, it just doesn’t have the same emotional connection that we’re feeling with him,” she said

10/30/07: Clinton Said “We’ve Got To Turn The Page On George Bush And Dick Cheney.” Clinton, speaking about her electability said “In a perverse way, I think that the Republicans and their constant obsession with me demonstrate clearly that they obviously think that I am communicating effectively about what I will do as president. I am trying to do that because it matters greatly. We’ve got to turn the page on George Bush and Dick Cheney. In fact, we have to throw the whole book away.”

5/2/07: Obama Gave “Turn the Page”-Themed Speech To The California Democratic Convention. Speaking to the California Democratic Convention, Obama said, “I’m running for President because the time for the can’t-do, won’t-do, won’t-even-try style of politics is over. It’s time to turn the page…It’s what I learned as a state Senator in Illinois. That you can turn the page on old debates; that it’s possible to compromise so long as you as you never compromise your principles; and that so long as we’re willing to listen to each other, we can assume the best in people instead of the worst…Democrats of California, it’s time to turn the page…It’s time to turn the page on education…It’s time to turn the page on energy…But most of all, we have to turn the page on this disaster in Iraq…We will bring our troops home. It’s time to turn the page…California, if you want a new kind of politics, it’s time to turn the page. If you want an end to the old divisions, and the stale debates, and the score-keeping and the name-calling, it’s time to turn the page…If you want health care for every American and a world-class education for all our children; if you want energy independence and an end to this war in Iraq; if you believe America is still that last, best hope of Earth, then it’s time to turn the page…It’s time to turn the page for hope. It’s time to turn the page for justice. It is time to turn the page and write the next chapter in the great American story. Let’s begin the work. Let’s do this together. Let’s turn that page.”

http://thepage.time.com/obama-release-on-clintons-languge/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rweVOO-fhug

*********************

:nopity:

[MethuenProgressive]

60. Sorry, but Richardson dropped out. Only male left is Rezko Obama.

[Unsane]

82. Richardson's claim to fame is lying about playing minor league baseball.

Nice try.

[MethuenProgressive]

92. In 1967 he pitched in the amateur Cape Cod Baseball League for the Cotuit Kettleers

Stick to stuff you're good at. Your posts on Hillary's panties were the highlight of your DU existence.

[Unsane]

153. He spent 40 years lying about being drafted by the big leagues.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/25/politics/main1075650.shtml

[goodgd_yall]

53. 'nuff said n/t

[JorgeTheGood]

54. I'm sure that when something goes wrong

during his administration, he will blame that on Hillary too. What a disappointment he has turned out to be. No backbone.

[bowens43]

55. It's really sad that this is the best Hillary supporters have.

This is why Hillary doesn't have a chance. America is sick and tired of the politics of personal destruction. Unfortunately, that's all Hillary and her supporters know.

[zulchzulu]

59. Having the original person giving you permission to use a phrase is NOT plagiarism

Plagiarism is the practice of claiming or implying original authorship of (or incorporating material from) someone else's written or creative work, in whole or in part, into one's own without adequate acknowledgement.

Deval Patrick gave Barack Obama permission to use his phrase in his speech.

Of course, we can expect the pathological liars that tend to gravitate to Hillaryworld to make it an "issue". how low can you go...apparently lower than anyone expected...

[amborin]

105. getting permission after you're found out

ha ha ha

obama commmitted plagiarism

using another's words, ideas, materials, etc....and failing to attribute them

this means at the time they're used

obama is now trying---after the fact he's been discovered----to squirm out of this

doesn't matter deval patrick now says it's okay obama used the ideas and words....

this forgiveness cannot go back in time and retroactively redeem obama's act of plagiarism

[MNDemNY]

140. The definition that YOU site, does not support your conclusion.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

62. That ain't plagiarism.

Not that I'd expect Clinton supporters to understand the concept.

[MNDemNY]

65. And "ain't" is not a word.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

68. ...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ain't

[MNDemNY]

72. Dictionary.com? puleeeeeez.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

83. And the American Heritage Dictionary.

Also, "puleeeeeez" is not a word.

Even dictionary.com doesn't have that one.

[MNDemNY]

85. AHD??? Puleeeeeeeez!!!!!!

[thevoiceofreason]

76. You mean ain't ain't a word

Obviously not from Texas.

[MNDemNY]

79. .

:o

[malik flavors]

63. Here's Hillary doing it (link)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rweVOO-fhug

[DJ13]

71. Clinton supporters do their candidate a disservice trying to keep this alive

You're making Hillary seem petty and more divisive than most of us already thought she was.

If thats your intention, then as an Obama supporters I say good job!

[kennetha]

We don't really care what the Obamaniacs Think!

You folks are a lost cause. You've drunk the kool-aid. It would take massive deprogramming to win you back to the good side. The fight is over the still persuadable and the as yet undecided. We're trying to open their eyes to what a phony your messiah really is.

[9119495]

87. It Takes a Village.

[Maribelle]

127. Colinton supporters were bashed all day for saying what Obama has now said.

Obama has stated that he should have credited Patrick.

[Vinca]

75. It truly boggles the mind the phrase "just words" has encompassed

the entire campaign. Deval Patrick finds it amusing. I find it idiotic. There's a war going on in case anyone's forgotten. I can't afford health care and I'm sure others of you are in the same boat. Climate change, genocide, poverty, starvation, a dubious food supply, a dubious drug supply, jobs outsourced, Walmart in every backyard, school shootings on an almost daily basis, a tornado in Alabama, New Orleans still a mess . . . and the earth is in the balance over "just words?" He stole from Deval, Hillary stole from Obama and round and round it goes. We deserve whatever kind of lousy government we get.

[cottonseed]

81. Hillary Truthers

No matter the amount of evidence against this minor-league smear, the truthers just keep wanting to push it.

[hisownpetard]

96. OK, so who's gonna lock up McCain for saying, on nat'l tv, that he's "all fired up and ready to go,"

when he looked like he'd need help to make it down off the stage?

[GarbagemanLB]

97. BREAKING NEWS: OBAMA ADMITS MISTAKES. Wish the same could be said for Hillary!

[MNDemNY]

116. They are really piling up, now.

[Barack_America]

123. Fortunately(?), not as fast as deaths in Iraq are piling up...

Some mistakes just keep on giving.

[GarbagemanLB]

126. Excellent point. It is sad that these Hillary supporters dismiss her responsibility in this.

[MNDemNY]

131. Does He have any? seeing as he has voted to fund this war right along.

Does that make him less culpable than HRC? Given the fact that he said he did not know how he would have VOTED as to the IWR, I think I can safely assume, given his ensuing record that he would have made the same, bad, vote.

[Barack_America]

133. The soliders Hillary helped send to Iraq deserve to be armed and paid. n/t

[MNDemNY]

136. And you think that if congress voted to cut off funding

that they would be left unarmed and unpaid? That is an idiotic assumption. Do you REALLY think that a Senator Obama would have bucked the trend, and the leadership and voted against the IWR?C'mon, even your candidate sheds doubt on that.

[Barack_America]

139. Considering even with full funding, armoring vehicles was grossly overlooked...

Yes, I feel that protections such as that would be among the first to go, as Bush cut corners to try to keep as many troops in Iraq for as long as possible.

[MNDemNY]

141. Or maybe, they would have been forced to bring them home.

[Barack_America]

146. Eventually, yes. But, in the meantime, the safety and lives of many soldiers...

...would be put at unnecessary risk. If you cut funding before you have an exit plan, there's just no way this would not happen.

It's better to draft a withdrawal plan and to make sure that our forces are fully funded during that withdrawal.

[MNDemNY]

128. Oh, I forgot about Obama'sfight to bring troops home, and stop funding this war.

[catgirl]

99. Your title is misleading- you should change it

it's a lie. Obama admitted borrowing some ideas, not plagiarizing Patrick.
Fyi, they are friends and Patrick has been campaigning for Obama.

[kennetha]

122. Doesn't matter

Even if Patrick gave Obama permission to use his words as his own, that doesn't mean that Obama is thereby absolved of charges of plagiarism. Consider the following analogy. Suppose there are two students. One of whom has written an A+ paper for a certain class. The other of whom is taking the class in a subsequent semester. The first student gives the second student permission to copy from his paper without attribution. Does that mean the second student didn't plagiarized the first student? Try selling that to the professor.

Now the only question is who is analogous to the professor in this case. Is it Deval or Obama? Can Deval just say that since I gave him permission to use my words without attribution, nobody else has a right to complain.

I don't think so. I think it' s us -- the voters -- who are analogous to the professor. We get to decide whether this was unauthorized or authorized non-attribution. Not Patrick and not Obama. If that's right, it is irrelevant whether Patrick permitted Obama to do this or not.

[catgirl]

138. this professor analogy is ridiculous

this isn't a term paper. And I have a feeling that the voters are going to
decide that the Clinton campaign is desperate and full of it. Wisconsin
will be interesting.

[Straight Shooter]

111. Just another "boneheaded" mistake, I'm sure.

Many more to be highlighted by the MSM in the months ahead, now that McCain is the GOP nominee and the MSM can aim their ammunition at their favorite targets ... Democrats.

[Maribelle]

119. So all day we've heard his supporters scream it wasn't plagiarism, and bash Hillary

and now Obama says it was, he should have credited Patrick.

Good for Hillary!!!!!

[GarbagemanLB]

124. I'd love to hear a single mistake Hillary has admitted too, other than 'caring too much'.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Seeking Serenity]

130. The GOP is enjoying all of this, I'm sure

Let's just keep that circular firing squad going now, y'heah?

Memo to the quartermaster: GD-P needs more ammo!

The more I look at this, the more I see the insight of Will Rogers.

[islandmkl]

135. I guess all these speeches should be formatted as such:

"As my good friend_______ always says" and "As Dr. Martin Luther King said" and "as John F. Kennedy said" and "as Thomas Jefferson said" and "as Franklin D. Roosevelt said" and "as my husband Bill said"...oops, might just leave that last one out. Anyway, the F****** speeches would take forever noting the originator of every idea about how a democracy should operate. IT'S THE MESSAGE, IDIOTS!! It's pathetic to attack the source of the thought when you can't attack the nature of the message.

[Celebration]

145. So, if they use speech writers

That is plagiarizing?

I am not getting this at all. A speech is not an academic exercise. People hire speech writers all the time. Naturally the academic world would not allow you to hire someone to write a paper. Academia and giving political speeches are two very different things. His friend gave him some ideas for a speech, just like a speech writer would.

It just isn't a frigging' PhD dissertation.

So what?

[robbedvoter]

148. Wasn't speechmaking his forte? Always thought it funny as others were writing them

for him any way...Kinda like W was suddenly anointed competent after 9.11 - because of a speech...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

150. well this should put an end to it