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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:07 PM
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Candidates tend to run the country like they ran their campaigns...
Bush played dirty pool (McCain in SC in 2000), used slimy tactics (Rove and the fake "debate tape theft")... and he governed the same way.


Hillary has run a horrendous campaign:

filled with wasteful spending (how do you raise $140 million and then need to BORROW more?), nepotism and cronyism (instead of hiring the best and brightest, hiring close friends and acquaintences - regardless of their skill level), divide-and-conquer strategy (SC and their "southern strategy"), and general sliminess all around (pledging to abide by the DNC in Michigan and Florida, then going back on her word).

Obama has run a fantastic campaign:

efficient money-raising and spending (75% of money coming from small donations, operating in the black), hiring the best-and-brightest (Axelrod et al, not hiring Washington insiders), unite-and-conquer strategy (bringing in millions of new Democratic voters, bringing in Indies and disaffected Republicans), and general truthfulness and positive campaigning (the next negative attack by the Obama campaign will be the first).


It's clear... a Hillary presidency would be a disaster, just like her campaign has been. She took a 99% name recognition, a gigantic money lead, and the good will of most Democrats.... and pissed it away.

That's a good window into how she'd run the country as well.


If you vote for Hillary, you'll get a government run like her campaign.... haphazard, expensive, negative, reactive, and slimy.


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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:37 PM
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1. Well done. K&R
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Altec Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:39 PM
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2. Karl Rove and the Bushies ran
a GREAT campaign. We all know how that worked out.


Plus, the Clintons used nepotism and cronyism? Aren't a lot of the people they know the people that helped them get in the White House the first time? Her campaign has only ended up being a disaster because the Obama campaign has been very successful in painting her as the way you see her.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:49 PM
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3. From what I hear the first campaign manager she had didn't even bother to tell her she was broke,
till it already happened. Think about what kind of jack-holes would be giving her advice in the oval office.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:00 AM
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7. "Think about what kind of jack-holes would be giving her advice in the oval office."
Probably "jack-holes" like Wes Clark, Joe Biden, John Edwards, Joe Wilson, Bill Richardson, Elliott Spitzer.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:18 AM
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10. Sorry I was talking about jobs like; chief of staff, deputy chief, senior advisor's
director of communications, press secretary, you know all those jobs that the people who work on the campaign get.

Your not silly enough to think John Edwards would be her chief of staff are you? That is a job that will be fill be someone who is either working for Obama or Clinton right now. As will many of the rest of those very important positions. If I was a thinking person I wouldn't want the people steering Clinton's campaign steering our country. How did the inevitable more or less incumbent canidate get taken down from the front-runner position by a frosh Senator ask yourself that. One of them has the more effective staff.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:50 PM
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4. He'd better have a stellar response team lined up. Is all I'm saying.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:53 PM
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5. You forgot using the effects of the right-wing machine against Hillary
Not so pretty -- unless you fancy betrayal.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:58 PM
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6. "the best and brightest" ....."not hiring Washington insiders" ....... like Gibbs and Plouffe?
"But influential liberal blogger Markos Moulitsas Zuniga of Daily Kos, who together with Armstrong co-wrote "Crashing the Gates," piled on, calling Gibbs a "smear-meister best known for his work trashing other Democrats.

"Obama clearly dipped into the slimiest corners of DC to pluck out Gibbs," Markos wrote."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2007/02/obama_spo...


"Gibbs, like Obama's national campaign manager David Plouffe, "has experience in the nitty-gritty of Democratic politics, having served as the communications director at the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and as campaign spokesman for Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-S.C.) in 1998."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Robert_Gibbs

"Prior to joining the DCCC, Plouffe served as Democratic leader Richard Gephardt's Deputy Chief of Staff in 1997-1998. He joined Leader Gephardt after managing the successful campaign to fill Bill Bradley's seat in the U.S. Senate for Bob Torricelli, the most hotly contested U.S. Senate race in the 1996 cycle.

Plouffe served as the Campaign Director at the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Director in 1995, joining the DSCC after managing a U.S. Senate race in Delaware in 1994 for Attorney General Charlie Oberly against Senator Bill Roth.

Plouffe also successfully managed Congressman John Olver's first reelection bid in western Massachusetts in 1992 and served as a State Field Director for Senator Tom Harkin's Presidential campaign in the 1992 cycle, after serving as the Deputy Field Director in Harkin's successful 1990 U.S. Senate race."

http://www.akpmedia.com/partners/dplouffe.html
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:03 AM
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8. I must visit this world where Obama supporters seem to live.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:05 AM
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9. Hillary Clinton hasn't pissed my good will away.
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