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BlueStater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:37 AM Original message |
What's the big deal about Obama opposing the war from beginning? |
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blitzen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
1. Hillary knew that we were right but was too cowardly... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
2. Look at his district, though. As Joe Wilson noted it was the most liberal in the state |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. And you can bet that if Bush had succeeded.... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Yup and the speech is the only reason he is where he is today |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. You got that right |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. He didn't have a district...he was running for U.S. Senate..... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. He was running two years before the election? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Yep. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Yep what? You think he was running for senate when... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. He was running for the Senate..... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:28 AM Response to Reply #40 |
51. He's running for 2004 race in 2002.... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. The AUMF was in 2002 |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. The AUMF was in 2002 |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Oh, and that was quite a difficult run! |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. More difficult than Hillary against Lazo in New York. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Yeah, beating Alan Keyes in IL must have been really rough |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. That and some speeches written by some hipsters delivered baritone |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. I stand corrected |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
57. Compared to Hillary's courage in.. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. So what it is considered when you vote for the war in EVEN BIGGER BLUE STATE NY? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
23. Joe Wilson set the record straight today |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. He didn't do shit but secured his position as Sec of State in her |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Hans Blix was lying for Hillary in 2002 too? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Then maybe she should have voted for the Levin Amendment! hey? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Maybe she voted against it for the same reason Feingold voted against it? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:26 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Link....... |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Kitchen cabinet? Grow up. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:12 AM Response to Reply #33 |
48. What makes your think he wants a job? |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
42. BECAUSE BLUE STATE NY got hit by planes hijacked by terrorists. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:37 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I'm Sorry, I was under the assumption that Iraq had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11 |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:10 AM Response to Reply #42 |
58. New Yorkers were opposed to the IWR. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:37 AM Response to Reply #42 |
66. You still don't get it. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. New York Senator should have also known better...... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. 80% of her constituents supported the war |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. 100%... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. You're kidding yourself if you think Obama would have voted no |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:11 AM Response to Reply #7 |
59. No they did not. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
85. Provide proof for that assertion or stop saying it. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
88. Not true. Proof please. I'll wait. nt |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
5. It's not going to mean a hill of beans come Nov |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Especially if Hillary is the nominee.....since she walked in lock steps with McCain..... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. If security is not an issue we win Hillary neutralizes McCain on security and beats her domestically |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
6. Hillary had the safest state, still caved, still sold out. That's the problem. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. 80% of her constituents supported the war |
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johnnydrama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:33 AM Response to Reply #8 |
45. what? |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:35 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. So you buy into the Bush bullshit |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
60. Hillary's constituents opposed the IWR. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
89. Nonsense. You can post it a million time more and it still won't |
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JimGinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
9. The Point Is - Hillary Was WRONG!!! |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Actually the point is Bush lied |
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JimGinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. And He Had The Courage To Admit His Vote Was Wrong!!! |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Not before you voted for him in 2004 he didn't |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
78. Really that is the only point. If she had just said I should not |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
14. He also called out the Wolfowitz/Perle ideology |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Actually neither did he |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
31. The big deal is we are Democrats, and Hillary votes Republican on key issues. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
52. Like raising SS taxes that won't be used on SS |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
37. If You Can't Get An Issue Like An Illegal War Right, |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Cause she's ready to vote for more war, this time with Iran, |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
46. It shows Obama is not a Flip Flopper, the favorite GOP smear tactic |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:17 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. O.=1. O.said NO, 2, then said he did not know,3, then funded, 4, decided to run for pres and said NO |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:31 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Now that is SOME flip flopping |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:21 AM Response to Original message |
50. Judgment. |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:48 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Obama's judgement of his pal Rezko was put on hold until after the goods were delivered. |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #56 |
71. Hillary's judgement of her adultering Big Dog was put on hold until after the goods were delivered. |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. You're welcome to re-run what ever Clinton flaw comes in to your head... |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. How about the War in Iraq? |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:12 AM Response to Reply #81 |
90. Hillary won't need to "capitulate" because she'll be running the show. Get it? |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:31 AM Response to Original message |
53. Sizzle. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
61. You don't have to be so brave when your opponent is Alan Keyes |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
62. it was very difficult |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:51 AM Response to Original message |
63. It seems GDP has taken a very NEGATIVE turn, even for here in the last day or so. New FUD strategy. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:40 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. At least the seem to have been told to drop the cult bullshit. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:54 AM Response to Original message |
64. Let's just say Obama people are easily pleased. |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
65. Nuttin' ...just great judgement. |
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BlueStater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
77. No one gave a damn about Barack Obama in 2002 or knew who he was |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. So it was hard, so what? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
67. It's rare these days to stand up for truth when it's unpopular. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
69. Hillay is DLC, they supported it from the start, still support it |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
70. Your arguement only makes Hillary look worse |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
72. Great point. This one issue doesn't hold up especially since Obama vacilated in 02. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
73. BLUE STATE Illinois? as opposed to what RED STATE New York?!?! keep spinning. |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
74. Obama: "I got it right" |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
76. He had nothing to gain by being against the war. |
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mrgorth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
79. Dumb |
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BlueStater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Thanks for that substantial and well-written response |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
82. Perhaps you should address your question to them: |
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Moh96 (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
84. it matters because it means you are not going with the popular vote just to help yourself |
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Moh96 (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. remember freedom fries? |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
87. Hel-loo! New York is just as blue as Illinois. Duh. |
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BlueStater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. I like it how everyone in this thread assumes I support Hillary Clinton |
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TheDonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:17 AM Response to Original message |
91. At the time nearly 80% of America was for the war and those against it were being called traitors |
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BlueStater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. But not in Illinois. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
94. So, how did he and Hillary vote on the funding of the slaughter? |
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