I suggest a cease fire toward Hillary supporters at this point.

[joshcryer]

I mean, what's the point. The math is obvious. Some of the most prolific Hillary supporters are finally recognizing it. So I suggest a cease fire and just let Hillary supporters be in their own world.

[Frances]

1. I agree it's time for a cease fire

I think Obama supporters should be gracious to Hillary supporters because those supporters will need to work hard for Obama in the fall.

[AX10]

2. The most Obama may get from me is my vote.

Not one cent and not one second of my time working on his campaign.

[Bicoastal]

4. OK....I guess that means I'll have to work twice as hard.

:hi:

[psychopomp]

29. ...and I'll have to send some more $$$

Goodness knows I want to see Sen. Obama throw a right cross that will put the GOP on the mat in '08!

[stillrockin]

8. Why so bitter?

[joshcryer]

13. AX10's response is drastically different from their position a few days ago. Don't be silly.

That's not bitterness.

[stillrockin]

17. I have no idea what you mean. Sorry.

[joshcryer]

30. AX10 was very angry, upset, and distraught to the point of not wanting to vote for Obama.

Period. No vote. In the GE. Ever.

[stillrockin]

50. How the heck was I supposed to know that?

[joshcryer]

10. Thank you AX10. I'm proud of you for saying that.

I know people were very hard on you here in the past, but that takes strength to be said.

As my sig would say (if we weren't at defcon 2):

"It takes strength to be gentle and kind."

[AX10]

19. You do understand that I do not like Obama.

And I am dead serious about "may vote for Obama but will give not one cent nor one second of my time".
I gave money and time to Al Gore because I had great respect for him and knew that he was the right person for the job. I have the same beliefs about HRC.

I am tired of seeing the media bash HRC 24/7 and praising Obama. I see this as a replay of Gore/Bush 2000, where Gore is HRC and Obama is Bush. I am not liking it one bit. I will have to give great consideration whether I will vote for Obama or write-in someone else (should Obama get the nomination).
We will see what happens in TX/OH.
If Obama gets the nomination, I am out of DU.
I will keep in contact with a few posters I know well via email.

For the record, I sent Kerry money but did not volunteer for him.

The Clinton's did great work for many only to be cast aside and smeared. It makes me wonder whether it is worth it or not to go out and protest.

[joshcryer]

25. I'm just glad you're not being hardline and claiming you won't vote for him ever.

This is incredible given how you've been treated here, to be honest.

[AX10]

40. If Obama gets this thing, I will be out of here..

because there is no need for me to be wasting time around here.

I will come back and let you know how I voted across the board in November though.

[joshcryer]

44. I'll be out of here, too, actually.

After March 5th I'm done until election day.

[AX10]

51. ...

:hi:
:bye:

[CreekDog]

58. You could stick around and hang out in the lounge

We do copycat threads
We do kitties and puppies
We make fun of Delaware Tollbooths

We don't do politics :pals:

[comradebillyboy]

47. I pretty much agree.

I don't like or trust Obama at all but he is probably better than McCain. Any way I sure as hell hope so. But his cult of personality leaves me cold. he will get my unenthusiastic vote if he wins the nomination.

[AX10]

52. I voted FOR Al Gore in 2000 and FOR John Kerry in 2004.

This year will be a vote against the GOP.

[susankh4]

79. I am now reserving the right.....

to vote "present" in November.

If this kind of rhetoric doesn't stop:

blogs.abcnews.com/political...ton-d.html

blogs.abcnews.com/political...ntons.html

Mr. Obama needs to understand something. We, the "older" more established base of the Dem party have our opinions too. He is bashing, not only the Clintons... but those of us who voted for Bill and will vote for Hillary. Those who he thinks are "in the bag" to vote for him.

Mr. Obama can expect to get less in the General Election, than the 47% he thinks Hillary can get, if he doesn't knock this off. And NOW.

I am fed up.

[susankh4]

89. Ooops... here's the link.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/obama-clinton-d.html

The second link is within.

[AX10]

104. Thanks!

I saved the picture!

[musicblind]

59. oops double post

sorry

[musicblind]

60. I understand how you feel!

The Clintons did so much for us, and so many here take great delight in tearing them down and the p*ssing on their grave.

I'll never fully understand the human condition.

[AX10]

61. I would not take to the streets to help others. I have learned that...

it does not matter. If people are going to turn on you "on a dime" as the saying goes, it is not worth it.

[AX10]

28. If the media turns on Obama and beats him down...

I may pity him enough to do more than just vote.
Of course I will come back here and say "I told you so" to Obama's militant supporters who are convinced the media has finnally seen the light, just as they though the media saw the light in 2004 with Dean.

[joshcryer]

35. No doubt the media is going to be very hard on him.

But I don't consider McCain a worthy opponent to either of our candidates.

[AX10]

42. I may not do more for him even if the media beats him.

I will have to say that he should have seen this coming and should have prepared for it.
As I said, the possibility of my vote for him is still there, but that is all.
I don't want to be around his core supporters, because they are just to frightening for me.
I've met some of them and they can be just as bad as many posters around here.

[robbedvoter]

87. You mean. you won't hold "FREE SCHUSTER" vigils?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

11. I feel the same way about Clinton

Except, the thing is, Insane McCain is my Senator. I know what he's all about in ways that those of you not in close proximity don't. I personally know people who have worked closely with him and they tell me how unhinged he is. So while I'm not inclined to help Sen. Clinton right now, chances are good that I'll be knocking on doors this summer for her if she's the nominee.

[Crunchy Frog]

32. Well, for you that's progress.

:)

[quakerboy]

73. Thank you.

Ive noticed your posts as i've lurked on DU for the past few months. I wouldn't ask more, and I at least consider that very fair. I wish you the best.

[rodeodance]

75. :-)

[Voltaire99]

81. Sour grapes?

You didn't seriously think an old hack like Clark would have a chance, did you?

[lse7581011]

99. For the first time!

I donated to a campaign and am very proud to have done so! I will also work dilligently for Obama in the GE!

[NastyRiffraff]

3. Well, for some people gloating is half the fun...

..or even ALL the fun. Notice I said There are some very good Obama supporters who went out of their way to cheer us up, and others who chastised the gloaters.

Gloating is okay for a football game, but this ain't a game, as much as the media makes it seem like one.

[cjmastaw]

5. You guys have been gloating all along.

Let us enjoy our moment. It will be over soon, and we'll all be one happy little forum once again.

[joshcryer]

18. If the crap continues until Hillary steps down, then I think a lot of bad blood...

...will result in the blogosphere and forums around the internet splitting on the issue.

[AX10]

20. "This crap" is in the MSM constantly.

I do not like seeing it. It can even be seen on so-called "progressive radio". Schultz has turned out to be a real bastard. His hate of the Clinton's rival's that of Sean Hannity.
Maddow can't help but be giddy at any news that points to Clinton's demise. She will be the perfect left wing version of Tucker Carlson (blowhard pundit).
Kos, Huffpost, TPM are also in the same boat as far as I am concerned.
This is why I call myself an independent/moderate. Afterall, many of my views don't fit with either party.

[NastyRiffraff]

21. Happy to let you enjoy your moment

And I never gloated. I was originally an Edwards supporter. Enjoying a moment isn't the same as gloating and being a sore winner.

[musicblind]

62. How true

[Voltaire99]

82. "This ain't a game"

This ain't no party, this ain't no disco,
this ain't no fooling around!
No time for dancing, or lovey dovey,
I ain't got time for that now!

There -- a little Talking Heads to cheer you up. (Do Hillary fans like the Talking Heads, or even know who they are?)

[demokatgurrl]

101. Yeah, we're old enough to know the Talking Heads

from CBGBs. do Obama supporters know what CBGBs was?

[Indenturedebtor]

6. No doubt

[CoffeeCat]

7. I do agree...

I see no reason for gloating.

I've had my candidate lose and it is heartbreaking.

I think the vast majority of Hillary supporters on DU now, are
decent people. I'm sorry, but it appears that some of the
questionable Hillary supporters have bolted, with the new
DU post limits--and other things changing. I will always
feel that most HRC supporters who have now bolted, were working for her campaign.

I don't think that's the case anymore.

Although I didn't support Hillary, I do support being
gracious and sensitive to her supporters who are
disappointed.

[musicblind]

64. Thank you

It really does hurt horribly to see someone you believe in with such passion, and who you feel has so much to offer, go down in flames.

So thank you,

I know that you have disliked Clinton since Iowa, so I appreciate your sentiment. It means something.

[JVS]

9. The issue has not been decisively decided. If people have criticism of her they should fire away

[joshcryer]

15. The math doesn't add up. More people are seeing it now.

You don't have to actually do the math, it's just obvious.

[BluegrassDem]

12. I agree, but Josh, you were never the problem

Tellurian, SaveElmer, Proud2beAmurkin, and durrty libby really made it easy for Obama folks to gloat on here. They haven't been posting much at all, so that's good. But yeah, we Obama folks will celebrate though, but no need in killing the Hillary folks with it.

[joshcryer]

14. I've gotten some bad words from many people here.

I even posted in a few P2BA threads every now and again. Hell, I got some hateful commentary when I predicted Hillary's mathematical loss a few days (about a week) ago, from Obama supporters no less (they actually thought I was trying to dumb down her "winning" in order to dissuade people from voting!).

And now all I see, 3-4 posts alone about this, is how Hillary is going to fight tooth and nail to the convention. It's just so unrealistic it's a joke. The only way she's still in this is a miracle.

[JI7]

24. yes, without some of the posters , many who are tombstoned

or not posting now, i don't feel like gloating.

more like just being happy with other Obama people. but the Clinton people on here have mostly been kind tonight.

[ZinZen]

38. What Bluegrass said.

[corkhead]

78. 'murkin was tombstoned a couple days ago and everyone of the others you listed I have on ignore

so I don't see them anyway, but if they are no longer around, maybe the pay-per-post sockpuppet budget they were drawing from has dried up.

[griffi94]

16. thanks

i wish i could still support obama....but i just can't...i will vote straight democrat down ticket....as i can't stand cornyn....but i have to leave the for president space blank

[AX10]

22. I am considering Al Gore as a write-in/protest vote.

I don't really want to leave that spot blank.

[Webster Green]

26. Vote for McCain

That will be the real anti-Obama vote

[griffi94]

34. i might vote for mccain

i live in texas so mccain will carry this state no matter what

[AX10]

36. If he were the McCain of 2000.

then he'd be acceptable.

[Frances]

54. AX10, I empathize with you

I think Bill Clinton was a very good President. I think Hillary would make an excellent President.

To someone like me who never even considered voting for Reagan, it hurts that Obama doesn't speak highly of those of us who voted and worked for Dems when the tide was against us.

And I agree that some of Obama's supporters on DU sound a lot like W's supporters in the early days of the Bush administration: arrogant and dismissive.

But Obama's positions are better than McCain's positions. And if Obama succeeds in getting as many supporters as the evil Reagan did, then maybe Obama can turn the country around for the better just as Reagan turned it around for the worse.

[Voltaire99]

83. Torture Boy has always been a nut case.

Never met a war he didn't like. You'd vote for that Dr. Strangelove?

[Webster Green]

48. Right on man!

Brilliant!}(

[joshcryer]

27. Hey, we may yet get a nice brokered convention.

:hi: :bounce:

[AX10]

43. And I may not vote for Obama either wayt

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4567926

I would like to see a Gore/Edwards ticket.

..

[Webster Green]

23. Just vote for McCain..

WTF?!

[joshcryer]

31. Don't trash my thread, people.

[Occam Bandage]

33. It isn't over yet.

[joshcryer]

37. You just like celebrating, don't you?

:hi:

[Occam Bandage]

41. No, I just don't believe that it's over. Hillary is taking this to the convention.

[joshcryer]

46. No she won't. Want to bet? $200

[Ken Burch]

39. Shouldn't that be "a cease fire WITH Hillary supporters"?

It's a bit of a Freudian slip as currently written.

[joshcryer]

49. Hillary supporters won't stop still supporting her.

Wouldn't "cease fire with" mean that they also should stop their stuff?

[Ken Burch]

53. Maybe "ceasefire TOWARDS", then.

n/t.

[joshcryer]

56. Thanks, I'll try to edit if it's not past the time.

[ellisonz]

45. When she drops out.

[Laelth]

55. I agree. Time to come together.

Any further bloodletting is unnecessary. We need to allow people to save face and come together for the good of the country.

:dem:

-Laelth

[McCamy Taylor]

57. I agree. Obama is going to beat McCain the general, We need to unite the party.

Shiela Jackson Lee and Al Green were on MSNBC setting the right tone. Cordiality. The only thing that can defeat us at thing point is ourselves.

:dem:

[Buzz cook]

68. I think it's a little late for that.

Obama and his supporters should have started to think of unity before they called Clinton and her supporters racist.

[Auntie Bush]

63. How about you stop attacking Hillary and we'd happily be

in our own little world. 98% of my posts have been defending Hillary...not bashing Obama. It was disgusting around here.

Yes, I guess the math is obvious...but tonight is the first time they have said that in spite of knowing she'd lose these three primaries. Why did they all say...she'd be back in the ballgame after March 4th and have more delegates and it would be up to the super delegates to decide who gets the nomination? Before tonight there was suppose to be a chance. Now I think they knew it all along and just wanted a horse race. It was all a sham...damn MSM! And we all fell for it! Even way back when they were saying she was inevitable. they knew the hatred was out there for the Clintons and the sh** would hit the fan. But they lied...as usual.

[joshcryer]

65. I'm not attacking her.

And I've been ardently defending her since day one.

[joshcryer]

66. BTW, I've been talking about the MSM horse race crap forever.

It's so utterly obvious that they wanted a horse race. So obvious that it's not even funny. They got it. And they got the guy with the most "interesting" stories to tell when we get to the GE. Bank on it.

[AX10]

67. His "interesting" stories will get all the coverage.

[Auntie Bush]

94. I can't be on here much lately to get the low down

What does one mean by "interesting" stories? Have I missed something?
I've been putting music on TV rather than listening to our bias MSM.
Maybe I'm out of the loop. Or do you just mean interesting crap in general that the right wing and MSM is going to start flinging at our candidate?.

[AX10]

69. I will not be forgiving...

to many so called "progressives" who have assaulted the Clintons.
Kos, Huffpost, Josh Marshall, left wing hate radio, etc....
I have no need for them.
I will never "kiss the ring" of Kos like the left wing elites do.

[joshcryer]

70. Me either.

I'm glad I never was a big supporter of those talking heads.

[girl gone mad]

71. Long past due.

There was never any need for the endless derision and nothing came of it except for making Obama supporters look like complete asses.

You fought like a pack of rabid dogs. Please, have a little dignity in victory.

[candymarl]

72. I suggest that you might be

just a little condescending here. Don't gloat. I said this on another thread: I was taught to be gracious in both victory and defeat. Don't kick people when they're down. They just may get up swinging.
Another thought: can Obama win without the support of the Hillary voters? I don't think so. The Repubs aren't gone yet. Rove has been reanimated. What Hillary has thrown at Obama will look story time compared to the Repubs. Rove & Co. have plenty of time to gear up the Obama slime machine. Remember, in 2004, we all thought the swift boat thing would go nowhere. After all, it wasn't true. True or not, in the end, it damaged Kerry badly. It cost him a large chunk of the veteran vote. As close as the election was that may have made the difference.
The same may be true of Hillary supporters this time. They could make that difference that keeps the Repubs from stealing this one. No candidate is perfect. Everybody has at least one skeleton in their closet. If the MSM haven't found anything on Obama you can bet Rove will. Even if he has to, as usual, make it up. People say they don't like negative campaigning. Well it's worked for the Repubs so far. At least at the presidential level. Just saying.

[rodeodance]

74. I agree to cease fire but not because of your reasons. "our own world" is insulting!

Is your world better -more correct? Why?--because we differ with you?

You ASSume you can know the outcome?

[NMMNG]

76. "Their own world"?

What might that mean? Just asking for clarification.

[OzarkDem]

77. That's a pretty strong statement

I don't think anything is over yet. Anyone willing to accept that also needs to accept that Dems have lost the race for the WH again.

Wake up, step back, think about what is really going on and what the odds would actually be against Obama winning the GE.

Are we conceding the next 4 years? I'm certainly not ready to go there.

[susankh4]

80. There is hope!

Take a look at what history tells us about candidates announced "frontrunners" before OH votes!

Barack has tried hard to evade that label. He knows...... about the potential backlash.

[Perry Logan]

84. It's time for the Obamites start sucking up to the Hillary people. This is gonna be fun.

[NMMNG]

100. I've seen their "sucking up". It's pretty pathetic

:eyes:

[Voltaire99]

85. You really ought to wait. The dirty tricks may be coming next.

Before declaring victory, you might first see whether Team Hillary doesn't decide on a scorched earth policy.

Remember: she's been "tested." Anything is possible.

[robbedvoter]

86. Oh, wow! How very generous of you! Let the sympathy cards flow!

See,I promised myself to always vote democrat since 2000. But now, I have an out:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4560756&mesg_id=4560756
So, don't try to butter me. I'll vote ONLY Democrat in GE - no matter what.

[AX10]

102. Good catch!

[Adelante]

88. Are Clinton supporters agreeing to a cease fire?

Or is this a one way ticket?

[terrya]

90. "Their own world"?

We're supposed to be committed to electing a Democratic President next November. Or did I misunderstand the whole purpose of Democratic Underground?

[harun]

91. Agreed. (n/t)

[H2O Man]

92. Yes.

I agree.

[NashVegas]

93. What An Interesting Post

Your use of language is very revealing.

Cease fire on Clinton *supporters,* indeed.

[Kahuna]

95. Agreed. Gloating is bad. However, when they tell lies about Obama..

all bets are off.

[bigtree]

96. gee, even THat was a slap

couldn't resist, could you?

[calico1]

97. Interesting olive branch....

:eyes:

[Catherine Vincent]

98. Well, you Obama supporters do seem to be in the gun nut category. nt

[shayes51]

103. Please, spare me the pity.