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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:13 PM
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A simple list of why Wes is best for VP
Let me first state that I think Kerry will be a great President, but he is going to attacked no matter what, so the holes that he needs filled are only holes because this is where he will be attacked.

A simple list of why Wes is best for VP

 National Security.  This is the easiest case to make for Wes and is the most important case for John Kerry to make when facing George Bush.  A recent poll finds that Americans trust Kerry more with domestic issues and Bush more with defense.  Wesley Clark was the Supreme Commander of NATO, won a war, and already has respectful relationships with world leaders.  As Clark himself said "I've forgotten more about National Security than George Bush can remember". That being said, Clark fills Kerry's first hole.

 Faith and Values.  Wesley Clark was the only candidate in the primaries who could naturally talk about how Republicans think they own faith and values.  Wesley Clark put the most beautiful speech together about the importance of family values by valuing families with so much sincerity that reached out to the core of what many people feel.  Clark is also the only one that naturally talked about the fact that the republicans want to make you believe that you can't be religious and a democrat, and that is completely false.  John Kerry hasn't really an approached this topic that many people hold near and dear to him, Clark could fill in this hole for him.

 Swing Votes.  People are throwing names like Edwards or Gephardt out there as VP prospects, but these are typical politicians.  Not to put these guys down, but they don't fill in any holes for Kerry (in fact, there resumes are very similar).  People who would vote for a Kerry/Edwards or Kerry/Gephardt ticket would vote for Kerry no matter who the VP choice was.  Wesley Clark has the ability to bring in a large independent and disenfranchised republican vote.  During the primary people came down on Clark for having voted republican in the past, but guess what, we need people who voted republican in the past. Wesley Clark came from a modest beginning and served his country his who life, forget what the pundits blab about, anyone I speak to is impressed and many people that I know who voted for Bush in the last election were going to vote for Clark if he were the nominee, while none of them are going to vote for a Kerry/Edwards ticket (I disagree with them of course, but they are under the "weak on defense" spell). This covers two holes at once (a southern candidate with independent appeal).  

 Clark is the only armor that can shield Kerry from his "holes" and while if this were a pundit popularity contest Edwards would clearly be the winner, I hope that Kerry uses more thought to help him remove Bush from office. Anybody who wants Edwards, Gephart, Clinton, ect... is going to vote for Kerry no matter who the VP is, Clark can bring people in!
 
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:20 PM
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1. Amen!
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:22 PM
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2. I don't think you would have to convince Kerry to..
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 01:23 PM by Kahuna
ignore the pundits---and polls.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:21 PM
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15. So obviously true!
Kerry is definitely captain of his own ship!
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clark4ever Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 03:46 PM
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44. I know
but I hope he doesn't get bullied into it!
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SoonerShankle Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:26 PM
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3. I couldn't have said it better myself...
This is an awesome way to approach the question of the VEEPstakes. I agree that the Vice President should complement the President by balancing the President's weaknesses with his/her strengths.

Also in Clark's favor -- he has campaigned, so he has grassroots organizations in place that Kerry does not. Clark was a grassroots candidate from the beginning with the Draft Clark movement. Neither Gep nor Edwards have the broad grassroots support or infrastructure in place that General Clark has (only Dean does better on this). Kerry's grassroots organization is nonexistent, so this is another gap that the General can fill in....

:7

Also, you may want to write a letter to the Kerry campaign saying exactly this. Visit their website to lobby for our VEEP choice. My local Clark group has been organizing letter writing (via email) precisely for this purpose.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:27 PM
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4. Yep. there's no way around it
he's the best choice.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:28 PM
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5. If we're going to go with a repug
let's go with McCain.
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:35 PM
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6. That's the problem with labels.....inmy eyes, the more the merrier!
Clark is not a Republican, but in the past he voted for the best leader not the party. One of the problems in politics today is that people treat things like an inclusive club. I welcome everyone over to the democratic party, and think Clark is a wonderful DEMOCRAT!!!
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SoonerShankle Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:37 PM
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18. Yes, I agree - He is a DEMOCRAT!
Clark did not declare a party during his 34 years in the service because he didn't want to seem partisan when his boss, the Commander-in-Chief could come from either party. Clark is really quite liberal on social issues, while being fiscally conservative. A good mix....
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:39 PM
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19. On Tax policy
Clark was the most progressive of all the leading candidates. I think that counts as fiscal.
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:14 PM
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37. He's a proud liberal!
and he's the only one who is comfortable with calling himself a liberal (everyone else runs from it like it's a dirty word!)
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:42 PM
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8. Well, at least there were four whole replies before the crap showed up n/t
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clark4ever Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:57 PM
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10. McCain wouldn't do it.....even though he hates Bush
I don't think McCain is up for the job.
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:21 PM
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25. Actually, I think he would!
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clark4ever Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:46 PM
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26. Yes, but would we want him?? I wouldn't
Your right......but would we really want a pro-life VP???
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:56 PM
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27. He won't be VP
Well, he's out of the running....just heard on cnn!
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:59 PM
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28. Julia, who said what on CNN, do a new post
:hi:
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:04 PM
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30. McCain staffers put out a statement that Mccain would not be VP
McCain staffers put out a statement that Mccain would not be VP
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:01 PM
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11. how predictable
bowens
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:51 PM
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20. *sigh*
Repeat after me "Wesley Clark is a Democrat"

See, it wasn't hard to say. The truth usually is very easy to say. And the truth is that Clark is a Democrat. Period, end of statement
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:54 PM
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22. Say it again, Sam
:thumbsdown:
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clark4ever Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:41 PM
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7. Clark is the best choice for VP!!!
This was not written by me, it was taken off the Clark blog, where someone took it off the Kerry blog. It's great and I hope the author doesn't mind!

Over on the Kerry forum, someone was wondering why there are so many Clark posts.  Well one person answered why Clark was so qualified.  His rather long discourse is just great reading.  I would think that he wouldn't mind it be posted here:

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WHY CLARK?

First of all, no one here really believes for a second that a few posts on any web forum will actually influence the nominee of the Democratic Party for President of the United States to pick one potential VP candidate over another, do you? That's crazy talk. One man will make this decision ultimately, with some help from his closest and most trusted advisor's. That's all.

Having said that, now a disclaimer;

My name is Paul Roth. Between October of 2003 and February of 2004 I held dual positions as both Northern New Jersey Regional Coordinator and a member of the Committee for Media/PR in New Jersey for the General Wesley Clark for President campaign. Both positions were unpaid and voluntary in nature (check out when NJ's primary is held!), I never received a dime from the campaign.

Wesley K. Clark is the finest individual and most respectable human being to run for higher office of any kind in my lifetime. Unfortunately, the finest person does not always win elections ( see Bush V McCain 2000 for further evidence on this topic, for that matter, see W Bush V anyone he ever ran against in his life as evidence of this). During my too short stint with the Clark campaign I met the General and his Wife, Gert, several times. In addition, I got to know his closest family advisor, Brother-in-Law Gene Caulfield and his family very well (the Caulfields are from NJ). In all that time and exposure, I never saw any evidence whatsoever that the Gen. Wesley Clark the political media in Washington portrayed even existed, at all!

I feel certain that after the 2000 election, any Democrat will feel very comfortable with the theory that the press, especially the over-cynical Washington press, is capable of misrepresenting a Presidential candidate just a bit, right? Remember Al Gore the pathological liar? Anyone? George W Bush the real down-home, straight-shooter and all-around likable fuzzy kinda' guy? You haven't forgotten those two now have you? With that said, I'd like to break down a few popular media myths about Wes Clark if I may:

#1. Clark was a novice who waffled on just about every issue.

It is true that Wes Clark was a political novice, who, on the first day of his campaign gave an answer to a loaded and hypothetical question about the war which was too detailed and thoughtful for the political press. So, as is their way, they jumped on it as an endorsement of the war, which it was most definitely not. Later in the campaign, they raised questions about things he had written in the British media which praised the military effort in Iraq and said Blair and Bush should be proud. At the time, Wes Clark was a private citizen, a former four-star Army General with no political ambition whatsoever, who was very proud of our military, which he had helped to shape into what it is today. As a patriot first, he would never have written anything critical of our armed forces or even their commander-in-chief for a publication in a foreign country.

Ditto on the question of saying supportive things of the Bush administration in 2001, he had no political ambition at the time and expected better of the people in this administration, even though he didn't vote for it (more later on this). If you have any questions about his overall opinion of the war, I refer you to his book "Winning Modern Wars". In it, he makes very clear that while military strategy for the offensive push to Baghdad was excellent (conceived years before Bush 2 ever even took office, by the way). Not enough was done to prevent a war from the beginning and not enough consideration was given to what would happen after the offensive phase ended. After this read, you will understand his comment that "I know more about National Security than George Bush could ever learn in his lifetime."


#2. Clark, being a former General, has a huge and unwieldy ego.

This one is so far off base I'd laugh if it didn't make me want to cry. In fact, I have never, ever met a more humble individual running for any office in my life. Throughout his military career he was known for speaking his mind candidly but also for including other's opinions and for making anyone of any rank or background feel important rather than dominating them. He led, first and foremost, by example. This was no George C. Scott playing Patton.

This was a very different kind of General (which will be the title of an upcoming biography of Wes Clark). A General who looked after the housing, well being and health care of his troops. Questioned the Pentagon when he felt his officer corps lacked diversity and as NATO Supreme Allied Commander in Europe along with his wife made certain that school curriculum for military children were updated and sufficient. Furthermore, a General who took on the Pentagon, which resisted military action in Kosovo, to promote the short but successful campaign which brought down war criminal Slobodon Milosevic and saved over a million ethnic Albanians from slaughter.

In December of '03, a few Clark campaign workers walked into a pizzeria in Manhattan, not realizing that the restaurant was owned by former Kosovar Albanians. The reception they received was nothing short of breathtaking. The owners saw their campaign buttons and signs and immediately served them, refused any payment and told them with tears in their eyes that, "This man saved our people, when no one else would help, he was there."

Throughout his career, like Sen. Kerry, there are ample testimonies to his selflessness and bravery. As a four-star General in Europe, NATO Supreme Allied Commander, he was in a convoy traveling along a dangerous mountain road when one of the trucks in front flipped over and careened down the mountainside. The first soldier in the convoy scaling down that hillside to try and rescue any survivors was none other than the convoy's ranking member, it's reason for existing, General Wesley Clark. This is indeed, a "Different kind of General".


#3. Clark is really a Republican.

Thanks for this one, Gov. Dean. Easy to see why Clarkies and Deanies don't get along so well! This was hardly the only time in the campaign that the good doctor opened his trap when he probably should have kept it shut. However, for us, it was one of the more obnoxious examples. Wesley Clark was, in fact, very up front about his political history from the beginning. Voting for Nixon, Reagan and Bush Sr. as a career US Army officer during the cold war when these candidates clearly touted Nat'l. Security as their major focus seems fairly logical. As does returning to conscience after the cold war with votes for Clinton and Gore.

As a former Army officer, he did not have to reveal these votes but he was honest anyway. His father was an attorney for the Democratic Party in Illinois. His social leanings were always with the Democrats. Proof of this can be clearly seen in his career (see the above paragraphs). Once retired from military life, he returned to his home state of Arkansas, where something like 97% of voters are not affiliated with either party because it is not required to vote in a primary. Therefore, when asked, by us (more on this later), to run for President as a Democrat, he needed to register that way in order to do so. All this makes him nothing more than exactly the kind of "Reagan Democrat" that we need to continue bringing back to the fold if we want to beat Bush and take back the Congress. If you actually listened to him once during the campaign, there would be no question as to his politics.


#4. The Clinton's wanted him to run in order to help further Hillary's career.

One of the more bizarre ones to emerge from the Republican spin machine. A clear signal of how much they feared his candidacy. Theory was, that Clark would lose to Bush, thus clearing the path for Hillary to run in 2008. Where to start picking this one apart? Hmm. How about here, what did Bill Clinton or Hillary have to do with the "Draft Clark" movement which actually got Clark to run, nothing. And if Bill and Hillary really hate each other as much as the Neocons say, then why would Bill support a candidate who would help Hillary, who's really a lesbian who killed Vince Foster and after all Bill is such a sexist womanizer why would he ever want to return, as a former President, to the White House as the first ever "First Man" or "First Husband" or whatever they would call him anyway? My head's starting to hurt so I'm going to stop trying to figure this out now.


#5. What makes a General believe he would be a good President?

Answer: WE DID!!!!!

One of the most frustrating elements of this campaign was that, after talking about the Draft Clark movement quite a lot before Clark announced he was running, the political media had what seemed to be the most sudden attack of Amnesia in history after he announced his candidacy, when they NEVER ONCE MENTIONED IT AGAIN! I defy anyone to find me an example that proves this wrong. It's not as though it was an important angle to the story, after all it was only a little over two-hundred years ago the last time this took place. What was that guy's name again....oh, yeah, WASHINGTON!

You see, a real grassroots movement took hold on the Internet after two brothers living in separate states started a web forum about this former General who was consulting on CNN during the Iraq war and what a great President he would make. The more folks researched him, the more they liked the idea and came to realize how outstandingly qualified he would be. Suddenly it wasn't such a crazy idea anymore! The media got wind of this and started talking a little about it and now folks from all over America were coming on board and agreeing this was the kind of President we'd always wished for, hoped for. Then Bill Clinton described him as a "rising star" and it was off to the races in terms of grassroots support.

But Clark himself, owing to his humility, stayed quiet on the subject. He consulted with family, friends and politicians as to what this would mean to his life and that of his family. Inevitably, he accepted the challenge to serve his country again, in the most ultimate fashion. As of Sept. 17th, 2003 he was a candidate for President of the United States. At this precise moment, the entire political media completely forgot the preceding six months. At many points, they actually asked him why he had "entered the race so late"?



I'll save the post-mortem on the campaign for another time and forum. Suffice to say that the media's poor treatment of the Clark campaign didn't help any. Did anyone ever think of pressing Gen. Hugh Shelton when he made his "character and integrity" statement? Did anyone ask what might have motivated a fellow General, with a personal axe to grind going back to the kosovo war, to make such a damning and irresponsible comment without offering any detail as to why he felt that way? No, instead the media relentlessly dumped the question back in Clark's lap as though he should offer the explanation. In doing so honestly, he would have made Gen. Shelton and others look very bad publicly. So instead, he humbly suggested that they ask Shelton for the details, they never did.

As for the question of Clark as VP nominee, well, as a biased individual, I think he would be an excellent choice. Especially when you consider the most important criteria; Is the VP qualified to take over the nation if, god forbid, something happens to the President. None of the other candidates for this role hold a candle to him in this capacity. Again, ultimately this choice is not ours and it should not be. It belongs to John Kerry and he has to live or die with the choice he makes.

In closing, I'll make one more important point. Most of Sen. Kerry's support, the vast majority in fact, has been mobilized in the last six weeks. Prior to that, it did not exist. It is predicated almost solely on the recent notion that he can beat Bush. This is in stark contrast to Gen. Clark's support. Which, though now smaller than Kerry's, was based from the beginning on Wesley Clark himself and what kind of individual he was. The fact that we believed he could beat Bush was simply an added bonus. If the Kerry campaign would like to capture some of the politically untraditional intensity seen in the Dean and Clark campaigns. Intensity which led Wes Clark's campaign, after entering in September, a full year after most others, to raise more money than any other candidate from October 1, 2003 thru the end of January 2004. Then Clark makes an excellent choice. You would all be quite shocked at the immediate injection of energy and enthusiasm this choice would bring back to the campaign. I can think of tens of thousands of reasons! Thanks for putting up with my long-windedness.

Pro-America
Anti-Bush
Kerry's Wes Wing

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Just amazing stuff!
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:07 PM
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12. Very nice repost, thanks!
I too would love to vote for a Kerry-Clark ticket. These are two honorable men whose public service has been guided by conscience, and they make an inspiring combination.

The best argument - in fact the only good argument - against Clark as VP is Clark as AG. I would be just as happy having Clark's experience utilized in that position, and leave the VP slot open for a younger candidate who can run in 2012.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:10 PM
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13. AG?
Clark is not an attorney AFAIK.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:19 PM
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14. Then I'm a dope, which wouldn't be the first time. But why
have I seen others extoll Clark for the same? (Not asking you necessarily, just wondering.)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:28 PM
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16. Not to worry
Clark has been mentioned here at least as possible Sec of State quite a bit. He is not eligible to be Sec of Defense, he has not been out of the service long enough for that.

On Clarks age, he is 59 and is in excellent health and very active for a 59 yr old. It is likely that he would in fine health at 67 to run for Prez in 2012.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:35 PM
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38. I agree with you Jim
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 06:38 PM by crunchyfrog
I think he will be an extremely youthful, energetic and healthy 67 year old who would have no problem running for President.

He will be approx. the same age that Gary Hart is now, and many people were seriously wanting him to run this year. He would be close to the age that Bob Graham is now, and much healthier and more energetic.

I honestly don't think that age would be a serious impediment to his running and winning in 2012.

I also still nurse the hope that somehow we can still have this extraordinary man as our president someday.

Edited to add: Active for a 59 year old? He's more active and fit than the vast majority of people half his age.:)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:41 PM
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39. Crunchy!
Yes quite right, that was a big understatement.

:hi:
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:36 PM
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17. extoll? I'm not qite sure what that means
extoll? I'm not qite sure what that means
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SoonerShankle Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:57 PM
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24. I think he meant...
Sec State.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:56 PM
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29. Thank you
I did mean Sec of State.

Brain fart.
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SoonerShankle Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:54 PM
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21. Thanks...
for posting this first rate account. Paul speaks for why I voted for Clark in the CA primary on Super Tuesday. Clark is such an inspirational figure.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 04:05 PM
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45. Beautifully Said!
Thanks so much for posting that.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:57 PM
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9. Nicely put
The points you bring up are all strong ones, and I think that there isn't any other veep choices I have heard of that fill all of these holes. Clark is the way to complete the ticket.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:56 PM
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23. Reminder: Wes Debt (OT)
A $43 donation would bring us to $10,000 on the Wes Debt.

Status Date
3/10/2004 11:12 AM

Wes Debt Relief
$9,957.74
124 donors

1-Donate here:

https://secure.clark04.com/

2-Log the amount here:

http://www.wesclarkdemocrats.com/index.asp
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:24 PM
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42. Always a good reminder!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:27 PM
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31. My take
We all want to win this one.

I dare not opine as to what will happen once Kerry is President....
My only obsession, for the time being, is actually winning.....
Everything else after is just pure bonus.

My reasoning and my case for Clark as VP follows that path..... in addition to Clark offering the broadest and most guaranteed geographical strategy (south, southwest, west--and everywhere else for that matter) combined with stellar fundraising skills and energetic charisma, plus attracting the male demographics that Kerry is lagging with, such as the Nascar Dads who will respect a General more that Yale Skull and Boners (Bush/Kerry). The obvious appeal of a self made man of humble origins and non-partisan offering on the ticket would also increase interest from various uncommitted voting blocks, ....but the main fact is that

With Clark as Veep on the ticket, the Democrats gain a Pit Bull attacker and the Democratic Ticket becomes bulletproof in reference to runnning against an Incumbent WARTIME President (as Bush, Republicans and the media is calling Bush). The fact that the Republicans' convention will be in New York right before the 9/11 anniversary is not lost on us....is it?

Bush's "steady leadership theme" has already begun....and will continue like a steady drum roll that gets louder and louder.

Even as Republicans were floating rumors that Bush might replace Cheney with Guliani or Colin Powell...and although those rumors for the moment are said to be off the table (but I would caution to never say never)...why do you think these are the names being floated about?....a former Vet/4 star General/SOS and a "proclaimed" New York Hero of 9/11?...both with reasonable bipartisan appeal (some certainly will disagree with my description...but we are talking about middle America here).

Republicans are already Questioning Kerry's votes cast in reference to weapons programs and his actions shortly after Vietnam. There is also an old book that Kerry penned which has a picture on the cover showing Kerry with an upside down American Flag. (Maybe I shouldn't mention this, but If I know about it..and if I have seen this cover, then I know that Karl Roves knows about it too...and I am sure they are saving it, and will bring it out much closer to the actual vote, so that there will not be adequate time to explain it away....we must be prepared for it at all cost....don't blame me for bringing it up...it's out there, trust me. If it's a hoax, then give me the evidence of that...that would settle that dread that I have in the back of my head). It this is real, it will be very difficult to explain this picture away to Middle America without Clark on the ticket (who has said that he would not encourage, but he would support a ban on flag desecration. Regardless of how distateful this may sound to Democrats.....it could be a very useful stance....Kerry is on record of being against it...the mix is a good thing).

Also, for those who believe that Clark's experience are a needless duplication of Kerry's....this is not an accurate perception. It's simplistic, but not factual. Kerry's experience in reference to Foreign Relations and National Security as a Senator does not in any way mirror what Clark did as head of Southern Command and Allied Supreme Commander of NATO.

The National Security (which is not another label for Foreign policy...as is it a different skill set) knowledge that Clark has is executive in nature and he is considered an expert by most (even Republicans know this). John Kerry is currently polling lowest in that area and Clark would shore it up. Add the deep and expansive Foreign negotiating experience that Clark has, such as the Dayton Peace Accords for Bosnia, and the managing and substaining of the 19 nations coalision together during Kosovo. This is not experience that Kerry shares. Further, running an entire war and not losing a single American life is not what Kerry experience represents. The experience of these two war heroes, however, compliments the entire array of legislative/executive qualities of what may be the Presidential Election theme of 2004. There are not holes left in the ticket.

Take that theme away from Bush, and what is there left?

Gay Marriage and a proposed amendment? I also think that this issue would be easier for Democrats to deflect with two macho war Veterans heroes running on one ticket. The country would be made to understand, with these two voices speaking the same message....that the real issue is Human Rights and the need to recognize the issue as such, and not to temper with the constitution by adding descrimination to it. Coming from two patriots, discussion of the constitution and what it should represent, as opposed to what the Republicans want to turn it into would be effective.

If Americans know that the Military/War on Terror/War in Iraq/National & Homeland security issues can be handled effectively and more than satisfactorily by the Democratic ticket and that a transition could be easily maneuvered (Bush's theme again is ....STEADY Leadership), the election will then be about what it should be about....the economy, jobs, health care and the future of America. That is Kerry's forte and Americans would listen without the other background noise (fear, fear, fear, war, war, war, terror, terror, terror, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11).

That is why I believe that the Democratic Ticket should be the "Heavy Medal" ticket...... We must not just neutralize...but we must neuter BushCo. on the entire enchilada.....give them no room to move, not room to tinker.

Heroes vs. Zeros.....now, that's priceless!

Note: Clark appointed as SOS would mean going through a set of confirmation hearings. I don't know if we want to give the (most likely) Republican majority Senate a chance to "pay back" Clark...considering how he has spoken out against the Iraq War, PNAC, 9/11, etc...

And of course, that appointment could only be considered if we won.

That's my take....

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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:34 PM
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32. Right on!!!
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clark4ever Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:41 PM
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33. BRING IT ON!
This is the best way of really saying to Bush: So, you want to run on National Security, BRING IT ON!!
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:53 PM
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43. Bush would need a new plan
Bush would need a new strategyif Clark were VP!
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:44 PM
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34. I agree
The only bad thing about Clark is that Arkansas only has 6 electoral votes, but on the plus side, they are definitely winnable.

But Heavy Medal seems like an excellent strategy to me.
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:58 PM
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36. He has wide appeal
Clark isn't an elected official so I think his appeal would be different and would;d help in many different states rather than focusing on one!
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:57 PM
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35. Preach on Sister Frenchie!
Exactly what I was thinking!
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:52 PM
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40. Frenchie, if your not already posting
on the Kerry blog, I hope you will start. You're one of the best people out there at making the case for Clark as VP, and it is possible that what you say on that blog could have a real impact.

I hope you will think about it, if you aren't already.:)
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clark4ever Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:07 PM
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41. Nail on the head
"I've forgotten more about National Security than George Bush can remember"-Wesley Clark
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 04:30 PM
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46. I got that line wrong
I've forgotten more about national security than George Bush will ever know." - Wes Clark
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 09:31 PM
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47. Add: Arkansas. Chimp can "win" everything he won last time includuding FL
Edited on Thu Mar-11-04 09:31 PM by John_H
but if Arkansas flips Kerry is President.
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 09:56 PM
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48. Another 55 Reasons Clark should be VP ...
Little Rock - Fifty-five former U.S. ambassadors and diplomats, women and men who have served in some 36 countries during the last four administrations, believe that Wesley K. Clark is the right choice to lead America at this critical time in the world.

"Serving as representatives of the United States has allowed each of us to meet with world leaders and see what terrific leadership looks like," said Cynthia Schneider, Ambassador to theNetherlands and co-chair of Ambassadors for Clark. "We know that the world is more interconnected than ever before, and so the impact of good and bad leadership impacts America and the world more than ever before. Wes Clark appreciates that and ambassadors understand the interconnectedness of the world and the critical need for a new leader to repair and strengthen our global ties."

"I am thrilled by the endorsement of those that have the respect of world leaders on every continent," Wesley Clark said. "They understand the importance of rebuilding America's alliances and restoring our country to a position of leadership based on cooperation and respect."

Ambassadors and Diplomats for Clark grew out of the unique phenomena of the Draft Wesley Clark movement. Not only did Wes Clark receive encouragement to run from thousands of individuals from across the U.S., the letters of support came from people, both U.S. citizens and citizens of many other nations, who understand that Wes Clark is the person we need to lead America at this crucial moment in history. The full list of ambassadors and diplomats is below.

1. Morton Abramowitz, Ambassador to Turkey and Thailand, Assistant Secretary of State
2. Brady Anderson, Ambassador to Tanzania.
3. Christopher Ashby, Ambassador to Uruguay.
4. Jeff Bader, Ambassador to Namibia, Senior Director National Security Agency
5. Robert Barry, Administrator, Agency for International Development; Head, OSCE
6. J.D. Bindenagel, Special Envoy for Holocaust Issues.
7. Donald Blinken, Ambassador to Hungary
8. Amy Bondurant, Ambassador to OECD
9. Avis Bohlen, Ambassador to Bulgaria, Assistant Secretary of State
10. George Bruno, Ambassador to Belize
11. Paul Cejas, Ambassador to Belgium
12. Tim Chorba, Ambassador to Singapore
13. Bonnie Cohen, Under Secretary of State
14. Nancy Ely-Raphel, Ambassador to Slovenia
15. Ralph Earle, Deputy Director of State, Chief U.S. Negotiator, SALT II Treaty
16. Thomas H. Fox, Assistant Administrator, U.S. Agency for International Development
17. Mary Mel French, Chief of Protocol
18. Edward Gabriel, Ambassador to Morocco
19. Richard Gardner, Ambassador to Italy & Spain
20. Robert Gelbard, Ambassador to Indonesia & Bolivia, Assistant Secretary of State
21. Gordon Giffin, Ambassador to Canada
22. Lincoln Gordon, Ambassador to Brazil, Assistant Secretary of State
23. Anthony Harrington, Ambassador to Brazil
24. John Holum, Under Secretary of State
25. William J. Hughes, Ambassador to Panama
26. Swanee Hunt, Ambassador to Austria
27. James Joseph, Ambassador to South Africa
28. Rodney Minott, Ambassador to Sweden
29. John McDonald, Ambassador to the United Nations
30. Stan McLelland, Ambassador to Jamaica
31. Gerald McGowan, Ambassador to Portugal
32. Arthur Mudge, Mission Director for Agency for International Development
33. Lyndon Olson, Ambassador to Sweden
34. Donald Petterson, Ambassador to the Sudan, Tanzania & Somalia
35. Kathryn Proffitt, Ambassador to Malta
36. Edward Romero, Ambassador to Spain & Andorra
37. James Rosapepe, Ambassador to Romania
38. Nancy Rubin, United Nations Commission on Human Rights
39. James Rubin, Assistant Secretary of State
40. David Sandalow, Assistant Secretary of State
41. Howard Schaffer, Ambassador to Bangladesh, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
42. Teresita Schaffer, Ambassador to Sri Lanka & Maldives
43. David Scheffer, Ambassador at Large for War Crimes
44. Cynthia Schneider, Ambassador to the Netherlands.
45. Derek Shearer, Ambassador to Finland
46. Richard Schifter, Assistant Secretary of State
47. Thomas Siebert, Ambassador to Sweden
48. Richard Sklar, Ambassador to the United Nations
49. Peter Tarnoff, Under Secretary of State
50. Peter Tufo, Ambassador to Hungary
51. Arturo Valenzuela, Senior Director, National Security Council
52. William Walker, Ambassador to El Salvador & Argentina, Head, Kosovo VerificationMission
53. Vernon Weaver, Ambassador to the European Union
54. Phoebe L. Yang, Special Coordinator for China Rule of Law, State Department
55. Andrew Young, Ambassador to the United Nations
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clark4ever Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 12:24 PM
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49. and this!
Little Rock - General Wesley Clark had strong words in response to a memo by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, voicing deep concern about this Administration's missing strategy for the war on terror and in Iraq. "I'm concerned to read that Secretary Rumsfeld is only now acknowledging what we've known for some time - that this Administration has no plan for Iraq and no long-term strategy for fighting terrorism," Clark said today.

In Rumsfeld's own words, "The US is putting relatively little effort into a long-range plan, but we are putting a great deal of effort into trying to stop terrorists. The cost-benefit ratio is against us!" Rumsfeld also describes the future of US involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq as a "long, hard slog."

"I find it incomprehensible that we entered into a war in Iraq with no plan," Clark said. "Somehow, this administration took all the lessons we learned over the past decade, especially in Bosnia and Kosovo - and even the first Gulf War - and did the exact opposite. No clear definition of success, no international mandate, no integrated political-military strategy to win the peace, and no exit strategy."

According to a Pentagon spokesman, Rumsfeld wrote this memo to "keep a sense of urgency alive." Urgency? Clark has been expressing a sense of urgency for months. "Attacks on our troops in Iraq are spiking," Clark said. "We're seeing the violence spread from the Sunni triangle into Shi'ite areas that should be our bastion of support. If that doesn't impart a sense of urgency, I don't see how a memo is going to do it."
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