Evan Bayh is Pro-Choice--stop lying about him.

[TheBigDemo]

I am so sick of people saying that Bayh is pro life. HE IS NOT. I will Repeat, he is NOT. I think it sad people are so immature as to lie about someone like that. Or any other Democrat just to get one up on them.

He voted for Partial Birth Abortion, as did 75% of Congress. If that is your standard for a VP nominee, swear in Bush now.

Here is his voting record on the issue:

http://www.ike2004.org/issues/evan_bayh_record.html

SO STOP LYING. BUSH IS SUPPOSE TO BE THE LIAR.

Thank you.

[trumad]

1. It is my standard

sorry... BTW: What gives this guy the right to decide what's best for a woman?

[tedoll78]

2. I'm willing to compromise on the VP choice if..

it can be shown that this person will most probably deliver victory.

It's the top of the ticket that appoints Supreme Court nominees.
It's the top of the ticket that signs and vetoes bills.
It's the top of the ticket that issues and rescinds executive orders.

The bottom of the ticket is there to help us win and to have a pulse. That's all. Should, by some freak coincidence, Kerry die in office, oh well. I'm willing to take that risk, given what the alternative is. Give me Bayh. Or McCain. Or Breaux. I want to win; Kerry would be phenomenal.

Now, there can be a good debate on both sides about about whether Person X can help the ticket..

[DaveSZ]

4. Can Bayh

even carry his own state?

Indiana is so conservative, I don't think they'd vote for Kerry in a million years.

[salin]

20. This hoosier (and many others) say... No. He is very popular.. BUT

not MORE popular than Bush. Bush has been to the capitol of the state three times to do heavy fundraising and promote Mitch Daniels for Governor. The draw has been huge. Don't underestimate Bayh in a statewide office - he will win. Heck Sen. Dan Coats "retired" so that he wouldn't have the infamy of LOSING to Gov. Bayh. However - hoosiers don't vote blue at the top of the ticket.. and for what ever strange reason - they love bush. Bayh wouldn't bring the state.

Worse - Indiana is a state that doesn't fit with its neighbors. That is we don't act like a typical farm nor rustbelt state. Our political races don't follow patterns to our north (Michigan), East (Ohio), west (Illinois) nor south (Kentucky.) Likewise they don't follow us. Bayh has no pull beyond Indiana.

End of story - no electoral votes would be brought to the ticket with Bayh. But we lose a senate seat - unless Bayh were to run for both Senate and VP simultaneouslly, and Kernan beats Daniels.

[mstrsplinter326]

3. evan bayh is a republican

His dad 'politically disowned' him. His dad was a great senator, evan is good sometimes, sometimes not. But he is very republican, you'd have to be to get elected to the Senate in Indiana. Trust me, I live here.

[TomSeaver]

6. Do your research

he voted YES on banning partial birth abortions

[TheBigDemo]

9. I said that, geez, read the freaking post before you hit send. . .

And 80% of the Senate did too.

[TheBigDemo]

7. Sorry, you are Wrong, He is a MODERATE, what you need to win

[salin]

22. Are you a Hoosier? Has he been one of your elected

officials for the better part of the last 20 years? Because you are getting a great deal of different input per impressions from the various Hoosier voters responding to your multiple threads promoting Bayh.

[TheBigDemo]

25. Well, he won 3 Gubernatorial elections in Indiana. Do you suppose that is

because Democrats and Moderates like him? Or is it that he rigged all the elections?

[salin]

26. Not related to my question

nor to anything I have written on these threads. Had tried to explain the dynamics in this state. This silly response demonstrates that point (no where have I ever suggested rigged elections.) My point is that you do not seem interested in the realities on the ground in Indiana (where Bush is more popular than a pretty popular Bayh), nor on the ground in Ohio which was cited by one of your threads on a topic as likely to be 'taken' by Bayh thus to rationalize this choice.

[dolstein]

8. Please direct me to your source for the statement that Evan's

father politically disowned him.

[TheBigDemo]

12. He is just talking out his . . .

!@#$% he don't know what he is talking about. His voting record is about the same as Edwards and to the left of Warner who is on Kerry's short list.

[NNN0LHI]

14. I lived there for many years. Indiana is the bible belt and never forget it

And I lived in "metropolitan" Indianapolis where I could spend a lot of time at the better places to hang out like the gin mills at Union Station and near the Circle and such. But it was still the bible belt.

Don

[mstrsplinter326]

28. Tell me what you know about the man

Thanks, Don

The rest of you:
Tell me what you know about the man when he's governed you for all most your entire life.

[shindig]

30. forget evan bayh,

his message is not what's going on right now. We don't need a democrat on the ticket who talks like a republican. Input from Evan Bayh is for when we are in appeasement mode.

Winning this election requires a fight and for us to remain in beat their ass down mode right through November.

Unless Evan Bayh has another routine besides the one he uses whenever I have heard him talk, I think he would clash with, not help our cause, IMHO. Please forgive me for saying so, but I'd take Lieberman over Evan Bayh.

I will admit, however, that republicans like Bayh. He ain't no James Carville, that's for sure. He's "reasonable," according to them. I think that means he agrees with Bush much too much to be of any use in this election.

[dolstein]

5. DU'ers lie about Joe Lieberman's abortion record too

It is part of the DU playbook to lie about the voting records of DLC Democrats. Why? Because the truth of the matter is that the voting records of DLC Democrats aren't all that different from non-DLC Democrats. Once that fact is revealed, it becomes hard to blame the DLC for the Democratic Party's problems.

[TheBigDemo]

10. It is like they want to make sure that we lose by choosing a far-left

Liberal.

[dolstein]

15. The simple explanation

is that many DU'ers don't realize just how far outside the political mainstream they really are. Part of this may be due to the fact that so many of them choose to associate only with people who have political views similar to theirs. If the only people you interact with are ultraliberals, pretty soon you begin to assume that the entire country is ultraliberal, and you start relying on conspiracy theories to explain just why it is that liberals have been shut out of political power.

It's funny -- I'm considered a right winger around here, yet I am far more liberal than the typical voter. I'm in favor of gay marriage, am solidly pro-choice, favor stricter gun control measures, and want to make the income tax more progressive. Yet somehow that qualifies me for the DINO label around here.

[TheBigDemo]

17. I hear you, what is funny is they also like McCain, some talk even of a

Kerry/McCain Ticket. I do agree that DU is moving to far to the left. How many in here were even for Kerry to start with. I wasn't.

[arcos]

35. DU is not moving to the left...

if anything, it is moving to the center.

[PassingFair]

21. I hate to be the one to break it to you, BigDemo

...but "liberal" is not exactly a dirty word around these parts. Why don't you suggest he run with Zell Miller? Can't get to "centrist" for the DLC, can we?

[shindig]

33. wrong!

there's a lot in between far-left and Evan Bayh.

[TheBigDemo]

34. Humm, a moderate/Conservative against two leftists, who do you think is

going to win that one? Geez, just give up now if that is your thinking.

[Darth_Kitten]

36. Kerry's a liberal by the way.........

:D If you don't want liberals in the party, then should they go elsewhere and let the democratic party become republican lite? :D

I'm just a little tired of liberals being portrayed as screaming, out-of-touch radicals and right wingers as "moderates".

[salin]

37. You are calling Kerry a "leftist"

nice use of rightwing lingo against the democratic candidate.

[cosmicdot]

11. who is considered non-DLC vs. DLC? is there a list?

thank you

[TheBigDemo]

16. Bayh heads the DLC council in the Senate. That is why they hate him.

And attack him. Plain and simple. I could care less about Bayh personally. But he is loaded with Campaign Cash. He has also won the state 3 times.

[salin]

23. right

I have written many responses to your threads pushing my senator. Not once have I refered to the DLC. Not once have you responded on point to anything that I have raised about the dynamic of the state nor the dynamic of the state upon other states (the idea that being a Hoosier would win Ohio is, superficial at best, and was denied by many Ohioans). Perhaps this thread indicates the opposite... a blind pushing for a politician who brings NOTHING towards winning the ticket and ignores commentary that puts the lie to the assertion that Bayh is good for the number two slot.

[shindig]

32. Bayh

sickened me whenever I heard him speak during the lead-up to the phony Iraq war. For example, Faux News used him several times during the rah-rah, shish koom bah, we're going to kill Iraq, yeeha days!

He was put on TV to scold democrats who refused to support Bush's war. He was practically stating the GOP line.

Moderate is fine with me. But I don't believe an almost completely republican sound-alike is what we need to beat Bush in this election.

But who knows, I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. That said, I really don't think Kerry will go with him. I sure hope not.

[NewJerseyDem]

24. Here's a list of members of the Senate New Democratic Coalition

http://www.ndol.org/new_dem_dir_action.cfm

Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator, IN
John Breaux, U.S. Senator, LA
Maria Cantwell, U.S. Senator, WA
Tom Carper, U.S. Senator, DE
Kent Conrad, U.S. Senator, ND
John Edwards, U.S. Senator, NC
Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA
Bob Graham, U.S. Senator, FL
Tim Johnson, U.S. Senator, SD
John Kerry, U.S. Senator, MA
Herb Kohl, U.S. Senator, WI
Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator, LA
Joe Lieberman, U.S. Senator, CT
Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator, AR
Zell Miller, U.S. Senator, GA
Bill Nelson, U.S. Senator, FL
Ben Nelson, U.S. Senator, NE
Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator, AR
Debbie Stabenow, U.S. Senator, MI


Also, here's a link to a list of members of the House New Democratic Coaltion

http://www.ndol.org/new_dem_dir_action.cfm

[dsc]

13. This one is at worst a quibble

by the standard of several pro choice groups, including Emily's list, he isn't pro choice for having voted for that ban. I don't agree with that, BTW, but it is not a lie if some pro choicers actualy adhere to that standard.

[Khephra]

18. I'm afraid that link of yours left out a few of his other abortion votes

Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life.
S. 3 As Amended; Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as "partial-birth" abortion. Those who performed this procedure would then face fines and up to two years in prison, the women to whom this procedure is performed on are not held criminally liable. This bill would make the exception for cases in which a women's life is in danger, not for cases where a women's health is in danger.
Bill S.3 ; vote number 2003-51 on Mar 12, 2003

Voted NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions.
Vote on a motion to table an amendment that would repeal the ban on privately funded abortions at overseas military facilities.
Bill S 2549 ; vote number 2000-134 on Jun 20, 2000

Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions.
This legislation, if enacted, would ban the abortion procedure in which the physician partially delivers the fetus before completing the abortion. .
Status: Bill Passed Y)63; N)34; NV)3
Reference: Partial Birth Abortion Ban; Bill S. 1692 ; vote number 1999-340 on Oct 21, 1999

Voted NO on disallowing overseas military abortions.
The Murray amdt would have repealed current laws prohibiting overseas U.S. military hospitals and medical facilities from performing privately funded abortions for U.S. service members and their dependents.
Status: Motion to Table Agreed to Y)51; N)49

http://www.issues2000.org/Social/Evan_Bayh_Abortion.htm

[TheBigDemo]

19. Yes, he voted NO on banning Abortions, that is YES for them, please read

I also mentioned this in my post that he voted for banning partial birth abortion. Most of Congress Banned it. Period.

[IndianaGreen]

27. Your knowledge about Evan Bayh's record is lacking...

As Governor, Evan Bayh signed into law a bill that required women seeking abortion to attend pro-life counseling that included seeing pictures of aborted fetuses.

Bayh could have vetoed the bill, and his veto would have easily been sustained. Bayh chose to sign the bill. It took a court challenge to stop that provision of the law from coming into effect, no thanks to Bayh.

As US Senator, Evan Bayh voted for additional restrictions on abortion rights when he supported the so-called "partial-birth" abortion ban, the same law that Ashcroft is now using to request abortion records from hospitals.

Evan Bayh is not pro-choice!

[mstrsplinter326]

29. You rock

Indiana sucks. (for the most part, bloomington's cool)

[ludwigb]

31. That's a right-wing source

You're citing. I can hardly have much faith in a cite that claims Bayh "voted repeatedly in 2003 to block President Bush's highly-qualified judicial nominees"

Obviously, this site is not going to cite Bayh's pro-life votes, so it's hardly an objective source.

It's seems you're pretty desperate to convince us to support Bayh. Why? Here's the juice. The less democratic activists know about Bayh, the better. That way, if Kerry picks Bayh (and I hope to God he doesn't and think it's highly unlikely, but I can't rule it out), less democrat activists will feel betrayed and go 3rd-party. If people don't know anything about him, people will just see a pretty face and won't get pissed off right away.

Furthermore, arguments about Bayh and the resulting "would I go 3rd party scenarios" is a waste of time, although it is kind of fun.