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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:19 AM
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Did You Ever Imagine You Would See "Billary" All Over DU?
I can't say that I did, yet there it is, plastered all over DU, along with just about every other right wing slogan from the 90's kulturkampf, mouthed this time by pious Democrats.

If this is the new politics of hope, it looks an awful lot like the old politics of hate.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:20 AM
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1. I don't necessarily
see it as a negative term. They are campaigning as a team and at times the merged name seems to fit. I am sure some are using it as a negative term though.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:22 AM
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5. The GOP crotchsniffers of the 90's certainly saw it as a negative.
Of course, all that is ancient history, I guess.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:59 AM
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15. Yes, it is neg. term-very NEG!
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:20 AM
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2. some Dems never got over the Monica thing or other issues
...and haven't let the stink of the 7 years under Bush cloud their memories.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:23 AM
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6. And they call themselves Democrats? nt
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:34 AM
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18. I think a lot of the party was disappointed in his Presidency
NAFTA, DADT, DOMA, welfare gutting... er... reform, losing both chambers of Congress, the feel-good but do-nothing-except-piss-people-off AWB, and the relentless, relentless nudging of the party to the right. The relentless expansion of globalization and the utter marginalization of those of us who were trying to warn about its dark side (which turns out to be pretty much all of it). A soaring stock market when real wages were stagnant. Obviously I hate what the right-wing attack machine did, but I also didn't like the Carville/Morris governance-as-perpetual-campaigning mode. When I look back at 1990's politics I'm forced to compare it to the Battle of Verdun and it doesn't make me less of a Democrat to wonder if there's not a better way.

It was nowhere near as bad as *'s administration, but that's not saying much, is it? Nader was wrong to say there's no difference in the parties (which was why I voted for Gore), but his message only got traction because the previous 8 years had seen the Democratic party move so far to the right.

On a personal level, I love and admire the guy*, and obviously he did a lot better than GHWB or Dole would have, but the 1990's were hardly a good time for liberalism in this country.

* but, yes, my respect for him went down a lot when he lied about the affair with Lewinsky. It just did, and I don't feel any need to apologize for that, and I don't feel like it makes me less of a Democrat. I feel like he squandered a lot of opportunities.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:51 AM
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13. I never gave a crap about Monica.
NAFTA? That's a different story. Welfare reform. DOMA. Refusing to pursue BCCI, Iran/Contra, CIA drugrunning...

Why WOULD I give a crap about Monica?
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:21 AM
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3. AND every RW Clinton smear rehashed
Politics of hope my ass. They're even posting Drudge. I feel like I'm in Freeperville.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:24 AM
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8. Not just Drudge. One posted Charles Krauthammer the other day.
Krauthammer! And another posted Frank Luntz!
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:22 AM
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4. "the change it had to come"
"The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the foe, that' all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!"

Won't Get Fooled Again
by The Who

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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:24 AM
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7. Sometimes, you gotta wonder if this is still DEMOCRATIC Underground for sure. nt
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:29 AM
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9. I'm wondering when the Mena cocaine stories will resurface.
And the Haitian manboobs.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:31 AM
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10. Yes you criticize the Clintons, and you're automatically a right wing Republican
I think a new tune is needed. That one is really old and stale.

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:20 AM
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25. I'm not a Clinton fan.
But I can't help but be a bit disgusted with people here rerunning all the freeper golden oldies.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:17 AM
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43. So its fine with you if Clinton supporters start using RW name
calling for Obama. Not saying I would, but is that what you want DU to be like?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:24 AM
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52. Frankly, often the stuff flung at Obama is in the same spirit
"cultlike" Messiah" "coke user" "Too far left" "Utopian" etc.

Any of those words often used to describe Obama and his supporters could come just as easily out of the mouth of Rush or his ilk.

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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:31 AM
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11. First thread I've seen it in all day. Thanks.
Cuz we didn't have enough bs on here today.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:32 AM
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12. I missed the 90's
Billary just seems like a funny play on their names, similar to Bennifer or Brangelina. Not really a political thing.

That being said, I don't buy Hillary's claim that she's more electable because people have already used these anti-Clinton memes in the 90's. They are still going to be part of the arsenal as far as the vast right-wing conspiracy is concerned.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:49 AM
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14. Obviously, DUers can say whatever they want about Dems
They can lie, they can divide, they can outright troll by supporting a candidate in one post and trashing him/her in the next, and nothing will happen to them. Because every registration represents a real or potential donation, and that's all that matters here any more.

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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:59 AM
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16. I know. It's ridiculous.
Next thing you know, there will be Vince Foster threads.
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:21 AM
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17. I don't like it
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:12 AM
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19. Some stuff is disgusting for sure
I have seen posts here about Chapaquadtic (spelling ?) and calling Teddy a drunk & killer....DISGUSTING. :wtf: I don't care if you're disappointed that he endorsed Obama or not. It's just plain repulsive & hateful seeing that kind of shit here in the DU. Leave that shit in the freak republic where it belongs. :grr:
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:20 AM
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20. Since the Clinton campaign started to use Bill in a big way, it's legitimate.
The Clinton campaign took a big risk having Bill play such a big part in this campaign. Headlining his own events and speaking to reporters. He is not just your typical candidate's spouse. He was President for 8 of the past 15 years. No wonder folks start to get confused if this is all about Hillary or if it is about the Spirit of 1992 and "putting the Clintons back in the Whitehouse".
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:41 AM
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47. Really?
Do you think Michelle Obama is campaigning any less for her spouse than Bill is for his?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:22 AM
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21. or a fitting name for a two-headed (and two-faced) political
doppelganger
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:25 AM
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22. The only thing that surprises me...
...is that we haven't been seeing "hitlery." I guess that's too freeperish even for the rabid anti-Clinton crowd.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:19 AM
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23. Yeah, I'm expecting Hitlery Klintoon to pop up any minute.
Along with someone defending it as legitimate.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:12 AM
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41. I haven't seen that yet
But "Hildabeast" popped up a few days ago.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:20 AM
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24. Plenty of 90's Freeper Smears have been posted here. Some DUers are much more fickle
than I imagined.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:23 AM
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26. Americans tend to have a STRONG dislike for "royalty" = even of the political variety.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 08:24 AM by ShortnFiery
We're SICK of both "The Clinton" and "The Bush" families monopolizing our Executive Branch. Perhaps "Billary" is a little harsh, but to me it is REPRESENTATIVE of what would be a THIRD (x3) DLC staffed Executive Branch within 20 years!

Say no to Political Royal Families!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:32 AM
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27. I never thought I would see pictures of nooses on DU
Inviting black people to step up :shrug:

I don't know where I am anymore.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:36 AM
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28. That's disgusting!
I hope whoever posted that is gone now.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:41 AM
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32. I don't know
I was so horrified I alerted and moved on. I don't know what became of it. But I would think the poster received the tombstone immediately.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:51 AM
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50. If that was today, I did see somebody get TS'd after 2 posts. Now that thread on Chelsea should be
next. The OP is a painfully obvious Repuke troll. Claims to support Kucinich but can't even spell the mans name. Answers every post with * in an obvious poke towards how we at DU address Bush. I can't believe that thread's been allowed to stand either.

Oh, and it's pure, unadulterated flame-bait. No serious discussion intended or possible.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:37 AM
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29. I never say Billary but to be honest, Bill and Hillary asked for it...
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:14 AM
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42. Oh Yes, I heard them ask for it too .sarcasm
What a dumbass thing to say. :thumbsdown:
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:12 AM
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45. It is they that brought up the idea of a co-presidency back in the 90's
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:40 AM
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30. No.
Or "Shillary" or any of the names Freepers usually use. Nor did I ever expect people on DU to claim she is close friends with everyone from Karl Rove to the Bushs or that she is no different from any of them.

Yeah, politics of hope all right.

It has all been a true eye opener, for sure.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:41 AM
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31. The Obamatons have joined forces with the freepi.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 08:45 AM by Yossariant
Lotta freepi posting here.

"Reaching out."

And I never thought I'd see the day when Democrats crow over an Andrew Sullivan endorsement, but I saw it here from the Obamatons or freepi.

It's hard to tell which is who.

:shrug:
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:42 AM
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33. Your post is the only place I see it.

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:48 AM
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36. Then you should look around a bit. Search pulls up 19 threads.
Takes me back to the 90s.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:42 AM
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34. No, but I never imagined that a racist piece of crap from frontpage.com would not be locked either.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 08:45 AM by Mass
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:46 AM
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35. no, and it will never come from my keyboard-
That is one thing I can say for certain.

I don't believe it serves anyone to play childish, stupid insulting games.


peace~
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:50 AM
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37. Don't use it myself, but considering that she has Bill front and center it's to be expected
She's running as the "Continue the Clinton years of the 90's" campaign. Sure, those were great times, but things are different now and he had his turn in office. I want to vote for a candidate who stands on their own, not coasts on the back of Bill's record (which is mixed, in my opinion).

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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:57 AM
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38. There is that....

...live by the sword...
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:00 AM
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39. Some of the gloss is off the Clinton machine...
...now that we've had a few years of perspective in which to watch her actual performance, and to reflect on his.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:01 AM
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40. I agree....
and I think there is more of this 'superior' attitude to come from the O supporters and it won't be good for this country, despite what they say.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:17 AM
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44. Free Republic has taken over GDP.
:grr:
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:37 AM
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46. Lee Atwater is doing a jig in his grave.
And his understudy, Karl Rove, probably pisses himself with glee reading this trash.

DU has become the repository of all the right wing talking points and they are
slung around by pretend Dems hoping to drag the place down to the lowest
possible level of discussion.

What makes me sick is that they have been so successful. This place is a sewer
of useless, derogatory, infantile remarks.

All of DU is diminished by allowing right wing talking points and tactics to
become acceptable means of discussion.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:41 AM
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48. Lifted right from William Kristol. n/t
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:44 AM
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49. And pure flamebait attacks on Chelsea being allowed to stand by the mods?
Posted by an obvious Republican troll who claims to support Kucinich but can't even spell the mans name? And to have that thread piled on with vicious, ugly abandon by the denizens of the politics of hope and a change in tone?

Fuck no.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:54 AM
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51. As long as she keeps saying "we" when referring to the 90's, then it's appropriate.
eom
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:26 AM
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53. No, or mention of Monica, blue dresses, Vince Foster
Drudge, et al, being used as legit sources.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:26 AM
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54. No, or mention of Monica, blue dresses, Vince Foster
Drudge, et al, being used as legit sources.
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