I've made my decision: I will not vote for Barack Obama in the general election

[Proud2BAmurkin]

All along until now I've said there was no way in hell I would not vote for the Democratic nominee. I've never supported a PUKE candidate even in elections where I thought the Democrat completely SUCKED and would be completely incompetent. Never have, never will.

I've said Barack Obama makes me queasy on foreign policy and national security but my abiding hate for PUKES has always trumped that and I'd rather be endangered by foreign threats than vote for a PUKE.

Well, I still won't vote for a puke. EVER.But I did decide today I would NEVER cast a vote for Barack Obama either.

This isn't about national security and it isn't about Obama's backers here (don't flatter yourselves). I appreciate a candidates's supporters going batshit crazy for their side especially if they think the other candidates "can't win." Fact is, that's what I think about my candidate (I don't think Obama has a chance in hell of beating any of the PUKE candidates except Huckabee,so I'm pretty sure this decision doesn't mean crap in the end)

But one thing I never took into consideration when I said there was NO FUCKING WAY IN HELL I would not vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election is another candidate SPEAKING FOR MY FUCKING VOTE WITHOUT MY PERMISSION.

Obama did that today and I am reacting the only way anyone can which is to take the vote he claimed back by withholding it in the general election in the event he is nominated.

So I've made a liar out of Obama. You ain't getting my vote.

I get the idea that even someone with that level of hubris (and I believe corruption) would be better than any PUKE on tons of issues. I don't agree with that in Obama's case. If he did get elected which he won't, he'd compromise on every issue I care about. Health care? Already sold out 15 million Americans. Gays? BWWAHHAHA. The gun issue as it relates to law enforcement is important for personal reasons but it's dead for the time being. He has no track record on repairing economies, the Clintons do. I don't trust him to be competent there. National security FORGET IT. Electability, forget it again.Corporate corruption? After Rezko, not counting on change there. Abortion, going to the states is the worst it will get.

On Edit: If he retracts his BULLSHIT statement from today I'll change my mind.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Quelle surprise.

I never would have guessed you felt that way. You kept your opinion hidden so well all this time.

:sarcasm:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

17. Actually I never said or thought I'd sit out election day. Leave it to Obama to give me a reason

[earthlover]

150. "So I've made a liar out of Obama"....No you just made a fool of yourself

Picture an 8-1 Repuke Supreme Court. Thanks in part to you.

Picture our foreign policy with the guy who sang "bomb bomb bomb. bomb bomb Iran" at the helm.

Sad thing, you didn't even coherently say WHY you were not going to be a democrat this time around.

[MadBadger]

2. Cant wait till you're gone then.

[AX10]

3. I would vote for him just to keep the GOP out of power.

But I will not give him any money (though it is rare that I do to any politcal type) and will not be working on his campaign.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

7. I was with you there till BO tried to reach out and CLAIM MY VOTE today.

[thunder rising]

27. Somebody call an ambulance ... something is very wrong with Proud.

So there is a limit to how far you will go ... I'm soooo laughing.

[rodeodance]

125. what did he say? I am confused.

[rodeodance]

131. forget it--i saw your comment downstream

[scheming daemons]

4. Fine.....

Barack's pulling in two dozen new voters that have never voted before for each one of you sour old oligarchists who believe that only 2 or 3 families should ever be given the keys to power.

[SammyWinstonJack]

191. Nice!

:eyes:

[JI7]

5. i never thought you would support/vote for him even in GE

[Joe the Revelator]

6. See ya later

Might as well leave now.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

9. Well I'll still fight for the only candidate I think has a chance.

[Joe the Revelator]

13. What happens when the paychecks stop

You admitted it already, so I'm not calling you out.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

15. .

:wtf:

[Joe the Revelator]

18. Sorry, my mistake, I meant to say when the paychecks STOP

silly typos.

[FightTheRight89]

8. That makes sense.

Don't vote for a candidate because he says he's likely to appeal to more middle-ground voters than the other candidate is. There's so much insensitive, uneducated, rambling nonsense in your post I don't even care to respond to it all, so I'll say this:

What the hell is a PUKE?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

23. That's a Republican...

[FightTheRight89]

121. So...

Basically what this poster is saying is...

Obama's a Republican.

And you know, he is, because he's got the most liberal voting record in the Senate. I totally get what you're saying. Thanks for exposing me to the truth. I think I'll support the other candidate. She didn't vote for the war in Iraq, did she? Oh wait, she did? Ummm... well she surely didn't vote for war in IRAN in that case. Oh, you're saying she did that too? Hmmm... there's gotta be something that she's more liberal on than the PUKE candidate.

You know, how about you get back to me on that one.

[bunnies]

35. I like you already.

Welcome to du. :hi:

[water]

10. Are you sure you aren't actually an Obama supporter? ;)

[eyesroll]

11. This would be much more persuasive if it were coherent.

:shrug:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

You must have missed Obama's statement claiming Clinton voters are in the bag for him

[rodeodance]

127. yup i missed that. really. what a little smartypants!

[Little Star]

199. He is one arrogant person.

[cali]

12. who cares what someone like you does?

It's thrilling to think he might get the nomination. I imagine you'll be in very bad shape. In a deep depression even.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

14. sure it would be depressing. I'll read it as the loss of the 08 election

[cali]

34. Excellent!

The thought of your despondency is a tonic to me. And you have zip to base an Obama loss in the general on. He does better against them in the polls than she does, merky. And he's demonstrated that he can draw indies and young people to the polls. How much would it depress you to see him sworn in?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

38. Why would I entertain that question when I think there is zero chance

[cali]

53. how silly of you

to ignore all the evidence that shows he's quite electable. How typically thick headed of you. You've been completely poisoned by either partisanship or some other form or bias. Hmm. wonder what it could be.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

55. I've seen plenty of evidence showing the opposite to anyone who examines it.

[cali]

82. OK, fine. Then it's time for you

to put up or STFU. Provide links and evidence.

[motocicleta]

116. crickets ...

still waiting ...

[lumberjack_jeff]

123. Someone who would like to win elections might.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

143. Not losing is probably more important than winning to Obama from what I've observed.

He'll take the whole party down if he doesn't get it, is the way it read to me.

[K Gardner]

16. Wow! After your 2,000 anti-Obama spam posts I NEVER saw this coming !! This is HUGH11111!!!

[alteredstate]

190. I'm surprised, too!

I'm SERIES!

[mondo joe]

19. You wouldn't be the first Dem to not vote for the Dem candidate - but it makes no sense to me.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

22. You did hear Obama claiming Clinton supporters would back him but his would not back her

[scheming daemons]

29. He was talking about cross-over Republicans and Independents...

...that are leaning toward him right now.

...and he's right... the cross-over Republicans and Independents that are thinking of voting for Obama would never, in a million years, vote for Hillary.


Hillary would get the Democratic votes.... but she would lose badly among indies and Repugs. Just a fact.

Obama wasn't talking about Democratic voters... they will got for Hillary OR Obama in the GE.



But you knew that already... you're just stirring trouble....

[Proud2BAmurkin]

31. I'm a pretty conservative Democrat in some areas so he was speaking for me.

[mondo joe]

30. Yeah. I think anyone who doesn't vote for the Dem candidate is... well. I don't want

to cast an insult. I'll just say I don't think it makes sense.

[Zueda]

37. I've seen DU polls that show exactly what Obama is talking about.

:shrug:

It's no secret that a sizable chunk of Obama's supporters, and Edwards', are anti-Clinton. Sad but true...Sorry that he hurt your feelings.

[rodeodance]

142. guess I have only heard this from hillary haters.

[Zueda]

173. Guess that would be most likely so...

Would expect an apologist to point this fact out.

[stillcool]

88. Are you referring to this?

or something else

Obama: I think there is no doubt that she has higher negatives than any of the remaining democratic candidates. That's just a fact and there are some who will not vote for her. If you look at the results in Nevada, for example, she eked out the popular vote victory over me, but I ended up winning more delegates because she got almost all of her votes from Clark County, Las Vegas and some of the traditional democratic areas. We got votes there, but we also got votes in northern Nevada and rural conservative regions of the state that traditionally don't vote Democratic, but were excited about my campaign.

I have no doubt that once the nomination contest is over, I will get the people who voted for her. Now the question is can she get the people who voted for me? And I think that describes sort of one of the choices that people have, just a practical choice, as they move forward.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

99. yup. "I will get the people who voted for her."

[stillcool]

155. That's from a poltical blog...

from October 2007.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1007/Obama_hits_Hillarys_vote.html

[mitchtv]

195. a couple of votes here that he won't get

We are people Obama has decide to cast aside. Long time Democratic party members/supporters, who are too old and too gay to particpate in his Jesse Ventura / arnold Gropenator "un Democrat" campaign. I thank Obama for not waiting til the convention to eject gays from his campaign. His desire for Nuclear plants is scary, and stupid. He's a rookie.

[rodeodance]

148. my my--so arrogant. whow.

[stillcool]

158. got to hate those indies and young'uns..

[TankLV]

175. No, you fucking LIAR bama - you WON'T be "getting me"...

you can keep your homophobic BIGOTRY to yourself...

you obviously don't WANT and therefore DON'T NEED my vote...

[Warren Stupidity]

188. Thanks - that clears everything up.

The OP could not include Obama's actual words as they make his post seem even stupider than it already is.

[GOPNotForMe]

20. That's just silly. But it's your silly decision to make. nt

[Proud2BAmurkin]

28. I don't like my vote being spoken for especially in the form of a "threat."

[TreasonousBastard]

21. I'm sure there must be somone here who gives a shit...

what you do.

But it's not me.

[ErnestoG]

24. HAHAAHA!! Like this is late breaking news?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

33. It was news to me too

[ErnestoG]

93. You're as phoney as your candidate.

[islandmkl]

25. might as well make up your mind now

...maybe you can just take the rest of the year off.

[saracat]

26. What did he say today? I missed it!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

32. Said Clinton voters would vote for him but his voters won't vote for Clinton

[cali]

40. He did not.

He was talking about the indie and repuke voters who are going for him but never will vote for Clinton.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

50. Conservative Democrats, which I am on some big issues

[cali]

56. What are you conservative on? Which big issues?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

64. Terrorism (I think it's real), a possbile Iran action, I thought pro AND anti IWR votes fine if

the individual believed the intelligence at the time or even thought they would lose their Senate seat in a conservative state.

[cali]

78. oh fuck

you should vote repuke. that's clearly where your heart is no matter what you say. And anyone who thinks it's ok to vote for war because you might lose your seat if you don't, is the worst kind of coward and opportunism.

Here's a true story for you. Almost 10 years ago, in Vermont, dozens of House and Senate members voted for civil unions even though they knew they'd lose their seats. They did. They voted for what they knew was right- not their own pitiful self-interest. those are the ONLY politicians I have respect for.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

83. Why vote PUKE? Clinton represents where I am on those issues

[scheming daemons]

87. Thanks for reminding us that Clinton is close to Bush on the issues....

....that you care about most.

[ErnestoG]

97. ....and the other shoe drops. PERFECT!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

101. Nowhere near. Clinton is close to the first president Clinton on those.

[ErnestoG]

154. Your candidate enabled Bushhole's war.

Did Bill Clinton? I don't think so.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

167. Kerry and Edwards also voted for the IWR and both would make oustanding presidents

[ErnestoG]

174. No one who voted for that piece of shit war and didnt apologize for their vote, would make

a good president.

NO one.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

178. An apology is meaningless in politics as often in life.

[ErnestoG]

186. That's what Bush says, too.

[UALRBSofL]

136. I believe he would fall under the umbrella

of a centrist democrat. I believe there are several factions under the democratic party and we can't exclude anyone. Just my opinion.

[gulliver]

194. You're actually more liberal than the pretenders.

They emote and emote. Don't sweat them. They are basically harmless sound and fury. They are more responsible for the war and its many ill effects than you are. Their lamely expressed opposition to the war creates and confirms war supporters. They feel good about their approach, because they like the approach (scream, accuse, demand), not because it gives results.

On the other hand, of course, it is unethical not to vote against any Republican in any election.

[KoKo]

201. Iran's gonna shoot a big missile our way? A Dirty Bomb...Blow up

our ships in the Gulf? Whaaaa? Why do you think this? Don't you know they said this about Saddam...and what did he have...just a big ego...and rumors he tried to kill Poppy Bush.

[scheming daemons]

62. Conservative Democrat is an oxymoron.... or should be.....

....while you're just simply a moron.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

67. yeah ok

[saracat]

43. I was informed he has said this before.I too was outraged when he said it.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

47. Said it today again

[scheming daemons]

58. Not what he said....

...why can't you just include the quote instead of lying?

The full context:

From msnbc.com:
The lovey-doveyness of last night's debate may have come to an end. This morning, Obama said Clinton supporters would vote for him but the reverse would not be true. He took credit for helping to expand the playing field for Democrats by "attracting new voters and independent voters into the process in a way that Senator Clinton cannot do."

"I don't take all the credit for the enormous upsurge in participation in the Democratic primaries and caucuses over the last four contests," Obama said while taking questions from reporters in Los Angeles. "But I think it's fair to say nobody has done more to engage and bring people in who otherwise would not participate."

Obama and McCain both attract a large number of Independents, while Clinton is stronger among Democrats than Independents. Using Nevada as an example, Obama said while Clinton did well in Clark County where traditional Democrats reside, he did well in Elko, a place without traditional Democratic votes.

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

He's exactly right. He is getting indies and repugs interested in voting on the Dem side for him... these people wouldn't vote for Hillary.

The registered Democrats will vote for Hillary OR Obama.... non-Democrats will not likely vote for Hillary in any significant numbers... but they WOULD for Obama.


......


Please... just stop lying. Make your pro-Hillary posts at least be truthful. You're having the opposite effect that you want... you're turning people OFF to Hillary.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

77. I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee,". "It's not clear she would get (mine)"

[scheming daemons]

92. and in your warped little mind...

"it is not clear she would get mine"

is at threat.


Ok, skippy.

[robbedvoter]

126. In my mind, his assurance he's entitled to my vote - is contempt

And he should be put on notice that he is not entitled. maybe a bit more respect for voters is in order. Now insult me too.

[comradebillyboy]

65. how can you resist his message of the audacity of hope

whatever that means? When he says something like that it tells me he would work against Clinton if she win the nomination. His ego could not tolerate a loss to Hillary.

[robbedvoter]

130. I get the audacity, but not the hope. Arrogance and contempt.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

138. Contempt that's becoming a habit.

[rodeodance]

153. my stomach turned then you said that

[Irishonly]

52. He was talking

about the new voters he has attracted to the democratic party, mainly the youth and the independents. You had to listen to the whole thing.

[robbedvoter]

63. here's the article with the direct quote

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4337785

The lovey-doveyness of last night's debate may have come to an end. This morning, Obama said Clinton supporters would vote for him but the reverse would not be true. He took credit for helping to expand the playing field for Democrats by "attracting new voters and independent voters into the process in a way that Senator Clinton cannot do."

[TheDeathadder]

36. I'm 100% Clinton

and i really want Clinton to win the Primary, but if Obama wins I am so 100% for him in November.

After watching the debates last night, I can tell you, I've heard all the drudge report stories on both Clinton and Obama, as well, argued and debated the contrast that exists between the two, and I have to say, bad blood or not, if it's Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton on the Dem ticket, I will be proud to vote Dem in Nov.

I was also proud as a white male to see the Dems have a black man and a woman as the final two. I think we are going to see change through the two of them.

Remember no one saw what would unfold with FDR, not even those around him. People then thought real change would never happen until out of nowhere a man with polio brought us a New Deal.

I think when Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton take the White House with a Dem controlled House and Senate with most likely John Edwards as AG, we're going to see an out of nowhere NEW DEAL.

The FDR New Deal put the corporations back in their place, and I think Clinton/Obama will do the same. It won't happen though if we decide to stay home in November because we'd rather all not vote and let a Repub have the White House than vote for a Dem we're not crazy about.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

41. He gets my potential vote back if he retracts his idiotic threat

[scheming daemons]

70. Can you even READ?

There was no "threat".

He made a prediction, based on solid evidence, that Indies and repugs might vote for him, but would NEVER vote for Hillary.

Where do you get that as a threat?


Do you ALWAYS lie?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

91. I heard it and just read it again. Perhaps it needs CLARIFICATION

[scheming daemons]

106. Not to those of us with an IQ over 80...

[Danger Mouse]

39. Then you might as well case your vote for McCain or Mittens.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

44. no

[Danger Mouse]

48. btw, mind providing a link to Obama's EXACT words?

[robbedvoter]

72. Here you go - direct quote:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/01/629273.aspx

The lovey-doveyness of last night's debate may have come to an end. This morning, Obama said Clinton supporters would vote for him but the reverse would not be true. He took credit for helping to expand the playing field for Democrats by "attracting new voters and independent voters into the process in a way that Senator Clinton cannot do."

[Danger Mouse]

147. Hmm...yeah, that quote's pretty lame.

It doesn't make me angry, but I do agree that it's an asinine thing of him to say.

[Clinton Crusader]

193. Just from reading that little piece (NBC)

I have to say the Obama camp is doing it's best to rip up the Democratic party, then point the finger at someone else (Bill Clinton, the Clinton campaign). It's like lighting a match, setting a fire, then running in the back door and yelling FIRE! FIRE!

Also, Michelle Obama is the one who said the thing about a wake up call for black America, and Oprah is the one who started the Dr. King saga.

I don't hate anyone, I am trying my best to stay out of this, and observe from the sidelines and simply support my chosen candidate from way back, but as I observe, I see the Obama camp setting these little fires and throwing lighter fluid on them when no one is looking.

I don't think there was any need to say 'Clinton supporters would vote for him but the reverse would not be true'. He knew there would be a strong reaction to that. What if Hillary had said that in reverse? Obama supporters would be vocal and upset, and rightly so.

[alcibiades_mystery]

42. I hope you'll vacate these boards if he wins the nomination

You will be made to leave otherwise, as it stands.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

46. I will, unless he has retracted his comment. In which case I won't be hopeful but

will support and cast a vote.

[robbedvoter]

45. yeah, that arrogance and contempt is making me reconsider too

Not a doormat here, Barak. You have no right to my vote.
And I made/rec-ed plenty of "unity" posts around here .

[emilyg]

102. I join you in your feeling.

[jasmine621]

49. I, too, think it was a big mistake to talk about Hillary not getting votes from

his supporters. It was almost like telling them not to vote for her if she wins the nomination. We don't need Dems like him. I have never heard Hillary come close to such divisiveness. Just think what an outrage Maddow and KO would be saying that kind of hubris was had Hillary pulled a stunt like that. It really makes me angry. There ought to be a backlash from thinking Dems but this new wave of young voters may not understand the political damage of such statements but more seasoned voters should.

[scheming daemons]

76. Another Clinton supporter with a reading comprehension problem...

He said repugs and indies might vote for him, but would never vote for Hillary.

It's a true statement, backed up by polling data.

Hillary is hated among indies and repugs.... Obama is loved by indies and gets a good amount of repugs to cross-over.

He wasn't threatening to pull his support... he was predicting what indies and repugs would do. And he's right.


Learn how to read.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

80. And he was talking about modearate and conservative Dems. Like me.

[scheming daemons]

100. No... he wasn't.... nowhere in the quote does he say that... you're making shit up....

....because your candidate is leaking votes all over the country right now...

...actually "leaking" is kind. She's hemorraging votes all over the country right now.

Two weeks ago she had 25 to 30 point leads in most of these states... now they're all either dead heats or close to it.

Her campaign is beginning to implode... so you're getting desperate... you've been spouting crap about not voting for Obama because he didn't shake her hand for two days, and now you have this new meme of a "threat".


You're pathetic. Hillary Clinton deserves better supporters than you.

[robbedvoter]

***W.O.R.M ALERT*****

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4194873

[BlackVelvet04]

170. And that's still fucking arrogant....

I know of republicans who WILL vote for Hillary and not for him. Polls, as we found out, aren't always the best indicator of what's actually going on.

[DURHAM D]

140. I have never heard a "so called" Dem do anything like this before.

It is not necessary - he gains nothing. He is pushing the strong possibility of fracturing the party. I honestly don't believe that Obama is a Democrat. I know that many of his supporters are not.

I can honestly say that I have never hated any Democrat running for the Presidency before but I am very close in his case. What a lot of people don't realize (because they are not well represented on the internet) is that Democrats over 55 are very disgusted with Obama. Fortunately, since they are not here at DU, they don't know how childish and ugly his supporters are.

If Obama supporters think his deliberate cynical strategy of starting a generational war is not observed and discussed by older Americans they are very wrong. And before some fool Obama supporters suggests it is because they don't want change they can just stick it - our problem with him is that he is too conservative, naive and lacking in gravitas. We are also concerned about his cult of personality. I am so close to hating him and it gets closer everyday.

[angie_love]

184. Too conservative? He was just voted most liberal in the whole senate.

Damn some of you ppl are delusional. That is why you are so "disgusted" with him? I don't understand how people can have so much hate based on so little. It boggles my mind.

[rodeodance]

164. keith and rachel have been off the edge lately

[smoogatz]

51. Well, Coulter says she's voting for Hillary if McCain gets the nom.

So I guess the cosmic balance has been restored.

[Jamastiene]

73. Are you shitting me?

Do you have a link? :wow:

[smoogatz]

114. Raw Story, baby.

So it must be true.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Coulter_Ill_campaign_for_Hillary_if_0201.html

[ErnestoG]

156. I laughed so hard when I saw that....

[VolcanoJen]

54. Enjoy voting for Nader.

I doubt we'll be hearing much from you again after the primaries.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

57. Fuck Nader.

[Tom Rinaldo]

59. I support Hillary but I will work to elect Obama is he becomes our nominee

And I will do so whether or not I come out of this primary season liking Barack Obama. There is no question about it. We must stop global warming, we must keep the Supreme Court from rewriting the Constitution and destroying checks and balences, we must leave Iraq, we must not start a war with Iran, we must move toward universal health care etc. etc etc.

I can't let getting into a snit about something a Democratic candidate does or says at this point obscure the importance of winning in Novemeber.

[robbedvoter]

68. Not if he continues to feel entitled to my vote.

I had enough arrogance with the Bushies. I am fed up.

[Tom Rinaldo]

81. I am perfectly willing to be fed up with a President Obama if it comes to that

Just because we might elect him doesn't mean everyone who votes for him has to like him or give him an easy time of it in office. There would be plenty of time to be fed up later. First kick the Reppublicans out of the White House.

I would rather be fed up with President Obama than fed up with President McCain. Simple as that.

[BootinUp]

213. That is some pretty good logic, lol.

[ErnestoG]

161. Where did he say he was entitled to your vote?

Or is this some feeling you got under a full moon, while throwing salt over your right shoulder?

[Clintonista2]

60. Don't worry about it, Obama won't be the nominee

[emilyg]

110. OK.

[Clintonista2]

61. Don't worry about it, Obama won't be the nominee

[JI7]

66. i would rather someone like you not support Obama anyways

considering how you support Hillary.

[Turn CO Blue]

69. What a disruptive, divisive post - and you think this deserves its

own thread?

This is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. If you won't support the nominee, whomever it will evenutally be, then don't go away mad, just go away!

[robbedvoter]

79. No more than Obama's dismissive, arrogant statement today

The lovey-doveyness of last night's debate may have come to an end. This morning, Obama said Clinton supporters would vote for him but the reverse would not be true. He took credit for helping to expand the playing field for Democrats by "attracting new voters and independent voters into the process in a way that Senator Clinton cannot do."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/01/629273.aspx
I was so unity bent last night - and he undid it with a few words.

[Turn CO Blue]

128. I'm concerned about unity on this board...and frankly

I don't give a shit about various people trying to interpret who is saying who will be attracting supporters from one candidate to the other. As if it matters --- as a matter of course the VAST majority of supporters of one candidate or the other (at least the reasonable TRUE liberals) will go from either of the candidates to the other. Who cares what the candidates themselves want us to do?

I wanted Gore or Edwards. But --- AS IF I would have let Al Gore or John Edwards tell me who next to support? I make my own fucking decisions and I don't worship ANY of these people as though they are gods. They can all kiss my ass on that one front - all I need any of them for is to have a half-way decent foreign policy and to pick decent, qualified people for all the postings and cabinet heads.

I care about kicking Republican ideals in the teeth for the next millenia or longer.

You people are so centered on who will be President. If *Bush has shown us ANYTHING, it's how very unimportant that one office is. Any fucking CHIMP could do it.

What is important then? The fucking cabinet heads, the fucking appointees, the fucking SCOTUS judges - that's what matters. That is where the REAL governing happens.

And all this ignorant back and forth between posters on this board just shows how completely obtuse and cultist the voters can be.

[THUNDER HANDS]

71. frankly, he doesn't need your vote

he'll win in a landslide even if every Hillary supporter on this message board stays home on election day.

[robbedvoter]

84. he also doesn't seem to need Fla, Nevada Mi or Hillary's voters.Voters in general

I'd say. The contempt is overwhelming

[THUNDER HANDS]

107. you get what you give

Hillary has been giving him hell, she shoudln't expect anything better in return.

[robbedvoter]

112. he's giving hell TO THE VOTERS, not to Hillary! Have you noticed?

[THUNDER HANDS]

124. i don't see it that way

he's making a fairly accurate statement. The people he's bringing in to vote for him are people who wouldn't vote for Hillary. But there's no reason to believe that the people who would vote for Hillary won't vote for him.

And people on DU don't count.

[robbedvoter]

139. Saying my vote is locked in conjunction with the other statement means I

am being taken for granted.

[bunnies]

74. You were never ever going to vote for Obama anyway.

In fact... Im still thinking youre a freeper. This statement is not New Today... so pull your head out of your butthole and pay attention to the shit going on around you. This was on here weeks ago, but Im sure you were too busy spamming the board with your little one-line posts to notice.

Anyway... dont come round here bitching about President Republican if youre not Dem enough to vote for the nominee. And if thats the case... do everyone a favor and get the fuck away from us now because you are part of the fucking problem.

:nuke:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

85. I never thought much of him but he never offended me

[bunnies]

95. Give me a break.

Youve been Obama bashing since you joined this board. You want to deny that?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

104. Like I said I never thought much of him but it didn't matter, he had a D next to his name.

[robbedvoter]

89. It's actually a repeat of an old one - which means he persists in dissing us- "this morning"

I was willing to overlook the first one - but after last night - it was a let down.


The lovey-doveyness of last night's debate may have come to an end. This morning, Obama said Clinton supporters would vote for him but the reverse would not be true. He took credit for helping to expand the playing field for Democrats by "attracting new voters and independent voters into the process in a way that Senator Clinton cannot do."

[Schema Thing]

75. There needs to be some kind of comprehension test

before anyone can vote.

That would take the matter out of your hands.

[goldcanyonaz]

86. And many others from the looks of things.

[robbedvoter]

98. ********W.O.R.M ALERT****Ponies, dude!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4194873

[bunnies]

115. OMG that SO funny!!!!!

Oh wait. No its not. Its dumbed down drivel for the non-thinking.

Carry on.

[rodeodance]

168. oh my gawd--i missed thatone--now it is locked!

[robbedvoter]

169. You can still use it - in half of the threads here - fun - and time saving

[TSIAS]

90. This has 12 recs???

:eyes:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

94. Maybe anyone connected to the O campaign needs to do something about it.

[cali]

96. Yes, I'm sure they're deeply, deeply concerned about

what you and 12 other clinton supporters think.

[robbedvoter]

103. Nope. Voters seem to be of little concern to them - strangely enough.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

108. probably right. They couldn't care less.

[Name removed]

133. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bunnies]

171. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Indenturedebtor]

118. Lol

:rofl:

Yer funny


I would vote for your CEO to be pretzle if it comes to that. Better than the 3 other CEO's on offer right now.

He needs a

:grouphug:

[bunnies]

105. Stupid is as stupid does.

Need I say more?

oh yeah... one more thing... GOBAMA! :bounce:

[robbedvoter]

109. Give it time. It's new.

[UALRBSofL]

111. I don't think your making a wise decision

I don't know who you support but even if it's Obama in the GE you should vote for him if for no other reason job security. If McCain gets into office you'll see much of the same as the past 8 years. Deregulation of corporations where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan will continue, expand the Bush tax cuts for the rich while the middle class absorbs the blunt of the tax's. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

[creeksneakers2]

113. I hope you change your mind

We need every vote. It doesn't have to be a vote for Obama. It can be a vote to save America from the GOP or to help all of us. The future is far more important than current offense taken to a statement by Obama.

[scheming daemons]

119. He's a troll....

....probably paid by the HRC campaign.


If he is, they are wasting their investment. Few people have done more on DU to turn voters away from Hillary than this guy.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

132. I will if and when he retracts the comment. I'd be happy to.

[Seen the light]

117. Don't feed the troll n/t

[milkyway]

120. You've worked up a very good hate that you seem to enjoy. This post was only a matter of time.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

160. I've always had one for Repukes and it caused me to support some D's I'm ashamed to admit I did

It's always served the D party but no one ever spoke for my vote while running against a candidate I support.

[Name removed]

122. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Danger Mouse]

165. uppity...man?

what's the word you really wanted to use?

[DUyellow]

I think when he says that its more about Inds and Repubs, not Dems

[Proud2BAmurkin]

137. I'll never change my label but in some races have been closer to I than D. Never voted for

anything but a D however

[DUyellow]

159. do you see what i am saying though?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

166. yes, what I'm saying is I am among that group he thinks he has in the bag.

and he attempted to use my vote to undermine my candidate.

[DUyellow]

176. hear me out on this...

I see what you are saying. I believe what he is saying is that there are some people, not all, but there are some people who will not vote for a Clinton for many reason right or wrong. I think one of the reason that he is able to attract Inds and Repubs is that he has a theme that we can accomplish more for this country if we are all working together. Now that is a debatable statement, but i have personally talk to MANY repubs and inds that have stated they will vote for Obama but will not vote for Hillary.

Obama doesn't always get his message out in that nice sound bite all the time and he is not perfict. Saying that, i have followed this mans message for 4 years now, i can not speak for him, but i think the last thing he wants is to hurt this party. I do think he is speaking the truth becuase i have personally seen these people.

Keep in mind, it works both ways, i am sure there are people who will vote for Clinton but will not for Obama.

I do believe that you have personally been offended by his comment and for what it is worth i am sorry for that.

If you want to know more about Obama, i would be more than happy to talk to you over the phone about the reasons why i support him and believe in him. Keep in mind, i am not anti Hillary, i am pro Obama.

Look forward to talking to you.

[Madam Mossfern]

129. I don't think that was arrogance

I think it was a pragmatic observation.

[robbedvoter]

134. It was offensive to me.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

135. You think Clinton would say it if she thought it was true?

[scheming daemons]

141. No....

...she would have Bill say it for her.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

146. If Michele O said it I'd swat it away like a pesky fly

[Madam Mossfern]

144. I don't know but

since I'm an Edwards supporter, I guess it was alright for some Hillary and or Obama supporters to assume that I would vote for their candidate, How is that different? I'm not insulted.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

149. Did either candidate declare what you would do if your candidate dropped out?

[scheming daemons]

157. Didn't "declare"... what part of "It's not clear" don't you understand?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

163. I know a dog whistle when I hear one.

[HopeforChange]

145. Cry baby Cry

[jefferson_dem]

151. Good. I might seriously worry about my own judgment if we were on the same team.

n/t

[loveangelc]

152. who cares?

[sidwill]

162. You guys should write your own off Braodway play.

Cuz I have never seen a thread with so many cotdam Drama queens in life.

"Wahhh........ I won't vote for the Democratic nominee because I'm upset that my candidate didn't win the nomination.. wahhhhhh!!!!!!!!

Gimme a fuckin break.

[Pawel K]

172. lol

you're nuts.

:rofl:

[book_worm]

177. will you not do anything for attention? start a thread to say something everybody could have

guessed! The only good thing about it is that we won't have to endure a negative Obama post from you every fifteen minutes if Obama is the nominee because it would be against DU rules to attack the Dem nominee. Maybe freeperville will take you.

[Danger Mouse]

180. oh well...he'll always have a home...

where they'll welcome his anti-Obama rhetoric with open arms...

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

179. I will if he's the Dem candidate.

[RiverStone]

181. I don't get these "I'll refuse to vote for Obama or Hillary in the GE" posts

I'm an Obama fan, but if HRC wins the nom - she gets my vote.

Why make these proclamations at all?

It does the party no good - and in the end, if your gonna wimp out and refuse to vote for the Dem nominee - your aiding the pukes.
You want a rightie wacko SCOTUS for the next generation???

Why not just be quiet or go home.

The irony is all your whining does not change a damn thing - and probably no one's mind either. In fact, just the opposite.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

182. My hope is that Obama retracts the statement.

Pundits have said the same thing he said, and they've made electability arguments for Clinton also. When a candidate makes one by speaking for the other candidate's voters, that crosses a line. I've never seen anything like it.

[Political Heretic]

183. Pretty much why America is falling part right now.

If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, as much as I STRONGLY DO NOT WANT HER TO BE THE NOMINEE, I will vote for her. And no spun soundbite she makes, mistake or distorted, will change that.

Why?

Because I am not a child.

[Alexander]

185. Everyone celebrate! The OP will be gone soon!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :applause: :toast:

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Warren Stupidity]

187. "He has no track record on repairing economies, the Clintons do."

The Clinton running for office doesn't have any more of a record on this than Obama.

By the way, you might want to actually include the statement from Obama that set you off. I have no idea what massively insulting thing Obama said and I think perhaps I am not alone. I also suspect that if you did include his offending remark, it would perhaps make your off the wall rant even more ridiculous.

GDP is a cesspool.

[BootinUp]

189. Nah

I don't believe you. ;)

[Vinca]

192. Thanking you in advance for 100 years of war. nt

[Unsane]

196. Does that mean you have to leave now?

:bounce:

[AlFromDem]

197. Good for you. Obama does not even deserve to be running.

He is an uppity, upstart junior Senator who has not waited his time like Hillary has. HOW DARE this little man sit on that stage and insult her.

[Webster Green]

204. Shut up Skippy!

Just go away!

[Milo_Bloom]

198. Don't worry, about 40% of DU won't vote for Clinton...

so it all balances out.

Obama loses 1 paid shill.

Clinton loses a few million voters.

[goldcanyonaz]

209. DU is not the country, if it was Kucinich would have been President.

[LordJFT]

200. haha Obama can win without naive people like you

[David Zephyr]

202. Your hatred for Barack Obama manifested by your many posts here make your "announcement" a joke.

I will vote for Hillary even though I am supporting Obama.

Your many posts here, sometimes crowding out the entire forum, reflected a bitter hatred against a good man that I think reveals something far deeper about you which I will not say here.

You can vote Republican in the General Election if you wish.

You will have no impact on the election anyway.

At least, we now know that you are not on the side of Democrats.

[Webster Green]

203. Interesting to watch a total meltdown on a fucking message board..

You take yourself way too seriously, as evidenced by your numerous and exceedingly lame drive-by posts. :eyes:

[paulk]

205. you are in the wrong.

period.

[bagimin]

206. How the hell will Barack sleep tonight?...

when he gets a load of this.

[Old and In the Way]

214. They are assembling a crisis management team as we speak.

:rofl:

[BringBigDogBack]

207. Well, then, bye.

What a fucking baby.

[no name no slogan]

208. Someone help me: is there ANY part of this rant worth reading?

Or is it just the same "I'm taking my ball and going home if my candidate loses"-type diatribe?

[BringBigDogBack]

211. NO.

That goes for all the OP's posts.

[no name no slogan]

212. Thanks for sacrificing your brain cells for me

I owe you one. :D

[Guaranteed]

210. Yeah you will. I think you're making a liar out of yourself. nt

[AZBlue]

215. The GOP thanks you for your support.

[kid a]

216. P2BA meet hyperbole / hyperbole meet P2BA

this thread is astonishingly immature and sounds like my 13 year old...