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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:04 AM Original message |
Why was Bill Clinton's comment on Jesse Jackson wrong?Where is the insult? |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
1. Because Bill insinuated race into it, again, when that wasn't the question. nt |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:10 AM Original message |
What an idiotic comment. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
11. Correct. |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:16 AM Response to Original message |
14. So answer, was there anything in the question about race? nm |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
17. You haven't been paying attention. Many people have noticed this, |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
22. Not Bush - but Rove, yes. |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. Why Jackson? Why not say Edwards won in 2004? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Because Edwards didn't win this time and Obama did??? |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. So he was race baiting, when no one was even asking such a question. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:19 AM Original message |
No. Bill was making a "point" and it was duly noticed by a lot of people. nt |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
28. Did Edwards blow out a caucus before he won SC? Jackson did. |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:29 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. You know it was race baiting. Why are you even making excuses. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:35 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. I am not making excuses. You are telling me that you don't know your recent history |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #35 |
97. It has nothing to do with homework. It was a comment meant to play the race card |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
3. In chosing to highlight the wins by the only other Black to win SC, he was implying .... |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Good post |
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water (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:09 AM Response to Original message |
4. In my eyes, here is what he was doing: |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:09 AM Response to Original message |
5. Insinuation is a delicate art, saracat. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
24. And Bill isn't the only consummate politician, because other people |
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Tulkas (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
7. Because Jesse Jackson never had a chance to win, due to his race and...... |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Wow! |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. "This is what Obama supporters do..." |
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Tulkas (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:37 AM Response to Reply #20 |
41. We tell the truth |
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Tulkas (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
37. yes WOW |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. No, you are misremembering. For a short time, Jackson led the delegate count. |
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Tulkas (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Caucuses he did well |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:30 AM Response to Reply #44 |
70. He won a dozen contests. He came in SECOND. |
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geiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
99. right you are; and the Clintons have jumped the shark on this one. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
9. The insult is noticing Obama is vaguely the same color as Jackson. |
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water (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. No, you can't call someone racist for bringing up race! |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Correct... However. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. How pathetic and disingenuous |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
36. Memo Released by Hillary's Campaign? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. How ridiculous! Are we not supposed to "notice" Barack is black? |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:26 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Nothin for nothin, but some numbnuts did squawk about Kerry and |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
53. If you are insinuating that Bill is too stupid to realize what he was saying, well, |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:12 AM Response to Reply #18 |
93. Was it demeaning to notice Dukakis was Greek? |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. He didn't just "notice" Obama was vaguely the same color as Jackson. |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:53 AM Response to Reply #21 |
92. Is there room in Bill Clinton's head for the two of you? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
10. it has nothing to do with liking Jesse |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
16. it was patronizing because |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
23. Because Jesse Jackson's home state was South Carolina...... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
32. No--both won CAUCUSES before they took SC. And Jackson led in the |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
42. sorry but jackson did not lead the delegater count in 88 when SC came around |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:10 AM Response to Reply #42 |
58. Jackson came in SECOND overall. He won five primaries on Super Tuesday. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:38 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. But since South Carolina is not Barack's home state........ |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:11 AM Response to Reply #43 |
59. It didn't hurt that Jesse was born there, but Jesse was coming out of Chicago. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:43 AM Response to Reply #59 |
78. Jesse Jackson was a Senator from Illinois? I didn't know that! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:10 AM Response to Reply #78 |
86. No, he was running RAINBOW PUSH out of Chicago. He CAME out of IL. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:26 AM Response to Original message |
27. They had similar wins, IIRC... THAT is the point that seems to go missing. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. You and Clinton both got it wrong. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
54. Uh, he is WRONG. Jackson had no 'mo' in 84 at all ... but he DID in 88 |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:34 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. South Carolina was Jesse's home state. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #34 |
65. It was NOT his "home state"--it was his "birth state." He was living in Illinois--like Obama. |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:40 AM Response to Reply #27 |
45. From wiki |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:48 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. And so.....? |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:21 AM Response to Reply #50 |
63. Obama currenly has the lead in delegates. As did Jackson for a time in 88. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:27 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. There is a valid comparison--it is almost as though Jackson paved the way. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:40 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. It is not a valid comparison, unless one wants to compare two Black men |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:15 AM Response to Reply #76 |
88. The rest is not bullshit, and no, I don't know it. What I do know is that you are bound and |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:42 AM Response to Reply #67 |
77. There may be another candidate with a large percentage of the SC black voter who ALSO had |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:08 AM Response to Reply #77 |
85. It did get press and comedy coverage, too--SNL had a field day with that contest. It was a big deal |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:15 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. The Lovitz line sounds familiar. I probably saw it in a clip show. |
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Knox Harrington (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
33. Do you honestly think |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:45 AM Response to Reply #33 |
91. Why shut my mouth! Of course not ... |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
38. There was no logical reason for him to bring up Jesse Jackson. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
39. Come on, really, are you serious? |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:40 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Thank you so much for this, Meldread. For a lot of reasons. But |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:42 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Great post; I wish I could recommend this. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:37 AM Response to Original message |
40. There was no insult whatsoever |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:43 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. And there are similarities |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:54 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. I don't see the similarities...... |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:29 AM Response to Reply #51 |
69. The similarities are that both Obama and Jackson had SC wins and delegate count leads during. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:38 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. But Jackson didn't even place in the first three primaries |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:47 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. It isn't a state by state comparison. It's about the fact that both Jackson and Obama |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:01 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Didn't Edwards win the state 4 years ago? Why wasn't he mentioned? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:08 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Jackson was a better example |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:13 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Jackson had the delegate lead at one point. As Obama does at the moment. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:17 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Nice attempt at a save, but no dice. Bill made a pointed reference |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:19 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. now why would you put quotes around |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Put any two other politicians in the equation and you'll see it is just a relevant example. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. If there's no 'there' there, why will all the talking heads be talking about |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:30 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. So it's now your contention |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:33 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. They will be talking about it because they get to make BIG TV and get ratings. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:48 AM Response to Reply #57 |
80. Jackson ran twice, Edwards ran Twice.....both were sons of SC |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:01 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. My 'shit' |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:46 AM Response to Reply #40 |
49. No. People don't see what is there |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:56 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. The Clinton camp frequently reminds us Obama is black. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:07 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. This will not be easily forgotten...... |
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Seeker30 (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #52 |
64. Why would they feel a need to remind us he's black? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:36 AM Response to Reply #64 |
74. Overstatement much? |
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Seeker30 (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:59 AM Response to Reply #74 |
83. Slavery would have ended with or without Lincoln |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:53 AM Response to Reply #64 |
81. How about JFK and LBJ? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:31 AM Response to Reply #49 |
72. NO |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:54 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. As Bill would say........ |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:39 AM Response to Original message |
89. you're catching on; the clintons are damned if they do, damned if they don't. obamabots better |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:11 AM Response to Original message |
90. I got it immediately. But if you don't...the print media does: |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
94. The Question is Moot. |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
95. It was universally taken for what it was...Smarmy at best and one last |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:50 AM Response to Original message |
96. I Hear Obama Is a Great Football Player Like OJ Simpson |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
98. Because MSM can interpret it any way they want, & they just happen to have a vendetta against Bill |
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