Is Obama going to join Clinton fight for Florida voters to count or will he disenfranchise?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

What will Obama do? Fuck over Florida voters or try to disenfranchise them?

It would be a real shame if Obama fights against the people.

Clinton is way ahead in Florida. Poor Obama is really in a rough spot here. Especially after all the complaining about "disenfranchisement."

I don't see that he has any choice but to agree with Clinton.

How does that happen to a candidate, that he's left with two bad choices?

[DJ13]

1. Unlike the duplicitous Clinton campaign, Obama will play it straight

Florida is not supposed to be counted in delegates, so why try to cheat?

[jackson_dem]

4. Why is Obama running ads in Florida then?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

8. After a SIGNED pledge not to. Kind of like pushing the wrong button "accidentally"

[ccpup]

12. those damn buttons!

you know that's not what he meant to do, right? :eyes:

[Hippo_Tron]

14. They are NATIONAL ads not Florida ads

Obama is running national ads and on the cable news channels and he specifically asked them if he could exclude Florida. They told him that it was physically impossible.

He then went to the South Carolina Party Chariman and got his approval before running the national ads.

Obama is not even on the ballot in Florida last I checked.

[leftynyc]

19. The explalin please

how Clinton and Edwards specifically only ran state ads in order not to break the pledge. That dog wont hunt anymore. It's bullshit and you know it.

[Hippo_Tron]

24. Obama wants to run national ads and they don't

It's part of his strategy and apparently not part of theirs. And frankly Edwards doesn't even have the money to run national ads.

Obama got it approved before he went ahead with the ads.

[LittleClarkie]

32. We could all put that phrase in our sigs and it would do no good

Because they're not listening, and if they do understand the difference, they pretend not to, because it helps their candidate.

Fuck it.

[Little Star]

36. How come he's the only Dem who chose to run national adds?

Is he just dumb or is there more than meets the lie? Clinton and Edwards knew they could only run state adds to stay within the rules. hummmmmmmm

[cali]

28. He got permission to run those ads on national cable and YOU know it

because you posted in some of the threads that explained it.

[jackson_dem]

29. Permission from who? He broke the spirit of the agreement. Hillary and Edwards aren't doing it

[Armstead]

2. You mean like Hillary f'd them over earlier?

Where was this great concern for Florida voters by Hillary earlier? Why didn't she stand up for them before?

BTW, I think Florida disenfranchised itself by trying to get around the accepted rules.



New York Times, Sept. 1

PORTSMOUTH, N.H., Sept. 1 — Three of the major Democratic presidential candidates on Saturday pledged not to campaign in Florida, Michigan and other states trying to leapfrog the 2008 primary calendar, a move that solidified the importance of the opening contests of Iowa and New Hampshire.


Hours after Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina agreed to sign a loyalty pledge put forward by party officials in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York followed suit. The decision seemed to dash any hopes of Mrs. Clinton relying on a strong showing in Florida as a springboard to the nomination.

“We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process,” Patti Solis Doyle, the Clinton campaign manager, said in a statement.

[napi21]

3. I suspect he'll join Hillary in the request to seat the Fl. delegates.

Several weeks ago I heard that the candidates can call to have ALL delegates seated at the convention, and everyone was fairly sure that's what would happen.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

5. That would be his best choice out of the two bad ones

[NJSecularist]

6. Why would he join Hillary in that request?

He has nothing to gain and everything to lose by lobbying to seat the Florida delegates.

[ccpup]

9. is FL a winner-take-all delegate State?

edited to add that FL awards delegates proportionately for the Dems, so Barack could pick up some delegates with his second place finish.

[NJSecularist]

16. I believe that is the case only on the GOP side

[ccpup]

17. yes, you're right. I looked it up and it's proportionately for the Dems

[Proud2BAmurkin]

11. Because she'll expose him as an anti voter whiner

[ccpup]

7. nope. he won't do it.

It's all about Barack.

If he's willing to stomp his foot, pout and force CNN to censor who and who can't speak about the election -- and perhaps hurt his feelings by not supporting him --, then he sure as hell won't allow FL to assign delegates, the majority of which probably won't be his.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

10. Good point

[ccpup]

23. according to his statement

he's being as petulant and whiny as usual. And, beings how he's not on the ballot, I can understand why.

It's All About Barack and the FL Voters can kiss his crybaby patooty.

[bluedog]

13. the Obama campaign sent a memo to national media reporters saying

the Obama campaign sent a memo to national media reporters saying that the Jan. 29 Florida primary has "no bearing on the nomination contest." The wording was terse, almost angry, and received quick rebuttals from the Florida Democratic Party and the Clinton campaign.

"It's one thing to honor the pledge. It's something else to explicitly blow off a state you're going to need to win in November," University of Florida political scientist Stephen Craig said Wednesday. "To blow off people in your party who are going to have a chance to vote for you or against you in a couple weeks doesn't make much sense."

Local Obama supporters were reluctant to discuss the memo. "We're an independent grass roots organization," said Johnny Bardine, who helps Foster lead the Tampa Bay Obama group, the Tampa Bay O Train.


http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/17/Hillsborough/Campaign...



he can kiss my ass in the GE also!

[ccpup]

18. so when did the Keystone Cops take over Barack's campaign?

wait, it can't be them. The Keystone Cops are a bit more organized than this. :eyes:

[ccpup]

21. just realized that anger is because he's not on the ballot

and, therefore, won't receive delegates.

So, yeah, it looks like it's All About Barack and the FL Voters can kiss his patooty.

[sunonmars]

34. wrong darling, Obama and edwards are both on the ballot in Florida

[ccpup]

37. thank you for the correction

[leftynyc]

22. Great job Barak

Dissing the voters in such an important state. That'll help him in November.

[Skwmom]

15. After 8 years of crap like this from Bush/Rove, this country is so

ready for a change.

[Occam Bandage]

20. He'll do neither. Hillary will push her delegate grab by herself; Obama will declare (rightly)

that it's an issue between the DNC and the state parties.

[AtomicKitten]

25. Barack follows the rules -- Hillary not so much with her anything goes strategy.

[Rock_Garden]

26. We need every possible vote in every possible state in November.

[Tarc]

27. Let em rot

Florida chose self-interest over the good of the party, so they can take a backseat next to Michigan.

[LittleClarkie]

30. It is the DNC's decision

It is not in Obama's power to do jack shit to the voters of Florida.

[sunonmars]

38. I can't understand why its not in his interest to support Florida voters

From a PR point of view, Hillary's boxed him in again.

Its like the legislation question in the Debate, the only thing he coukld say was "YES". She did it again

She said, why wont you support the voters right to to be seated at the convention and he is fucking it up by backing the DNC and not the voters. People here may gripe but in the end all the voters will see the Democrats denying their right to vote and we all know the protests that happened in Florida in 2000 when they thought they were disenfrachised.

The campaign in the first 4 is over. So why not go to Florida now.

Its in his interest to say now, Yes Floridas does matter, they are just as important. Don't underestimate this to be a huge problem if states are ignored. Hillary's worked it out. He obviously hasnt.

[MoonRiver]

31. He'll disenfranchise. ANYTHING TO WIN.

That's Obama.

[NJSecularist]

33. That's sweet irony coming from a Clinton supporter

And I'm not even an Obama supporter.

[demo dutch]

35. Join this thread to hear the truth

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4198468&mesg_id=4198468