The Clintonian Delusion

[cali]

is that Americans have heard it all about the Clintons and won't buy it. Bzzzt. Close to 50% of voters HATE the Clintons, and if you don't think they'll lap it up, and that the MSM won't feed them red meat, you're living in a fantasy world. And even people on the fence can be effected by it.

You think there's no such thing as Clinton fatigue and that the nation is just dying to relive the glorious days of Clinton? The opposition from a good hunk of the dem party itself should demonstrate that that's not true. And let's not even begin to talk about how energized the repukes will be by Hlll as the nominee.

Up until recently I thought any dem could beat any repug, but now it's looking more and more like the dem party is in danger of being torn asunder. And it's much, much harder to put back together than it is to tear into shreds.

Good ol' dems. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[russian33]

1. "Close to 50% of voters HATE the Clintons"

is that from a poll of voters?

[Occam Bandage]

7. Yes.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/favorables/election_2008_democratic_candidates_running_in_2008_presidential_election

[russian33]

22. where in there does it say HATE?

50% gave her 'unfav' rating...47% gave that to Obama, so?

[Occam Bandage]

23. Looking at the "vote against" figures. Those are people who have already decided

that they will not, under any foreseeable circumstances, be voting for her. Her for/against split is atrocious; it would require 20 out of 23%--or 87%--of people who have not yet made up their minds to break in her direction for her to avoid losing. That is possible, but extremely unlikely.

[KennedyGuy]

2. That leaves 50 per cent who don't

thats all you need..since when do we base our nominations on who the other side hates more..

[Occam Bandage]

5. 47% will never vote for her. 30% will certainly vote for her. If just 4% out of the remaining 23%

vote Republican, we lose.

[Mythsaje]

3. Just goes to show, there's only one rational choice left to us.

Go Johnny!

:evilgrin:

[Riverman]

19. Right ON!

[Dogmudgeon]

4. Bill still polls at over 65% favorable -- with 50% Republicans in the sample

If, as Obama's surrogates like to say, Hillary = Bill, then she has nothing to worry about.

--p!

[Occam Bandage]

12. Perhaps her numbers are affected by that, and thus we can deduce

her base support is even lower.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. I got "Clinton Fatigue" before I even voted for him.

Not to mention the severe damage to my nose. Which won't be repeated in 2008.

[redstateblues]

8. I can't help it- I don't like Hillary- I don't want Bill behind the curtain

pulling the levers. I'm not sure what I'll do if she's the nominee.

[Auntie Bush]

9. Well you have certainly have done your part of knocking Humpty Dumpty off the wall. Do you plan on

helping put him back together again?...for the sake of the party. I'd like to see that but I kind of doubt it.

[cali]

14. That's absurd.. The Clintons are squarely responsible for

what they're doing. I know politics ain't beanbag, but employing "The Southern Strategy"? I never thought I'd see the day.

[Hello_Kitty]

10. There's going to be plenty of "new" stuff on the horizon, just wait.

Clinton library donors, Marc Rich, Norman Hsu, more Clenis bimbo eruptions, etc. Why do you think the GOP slime machine has been quiet so far? They're licking their chops to throw it all at them in the general. And what have the Clintons done besides barely win a couple of states, narrow their national lead, and piss off core constituencies? Oh yeah, and make unions look bad.

[Auntie Bush]

25. And the Obamaite have split our party along racial lines. Not good!

The Rethugs need no help from others. All they have to do is read your posts.

[Hello_Kitty]

30. The damage was done already Auntie Bush, I'm just stating the obvious.

BTW I'm not an Obamaite, I'm an ABC. I voted early for him today instead of Edwards (who I'm closer to policywise) because she's way ahead in my state and I'm not throwing a vote away. At this point, I don't care if Mike Gravel wins as long as it's not the Clintons. (I'll probably calm down by the time the primaries are over but this is where I'm at now)

If people weren't calling the Clintons out, loudly, on their racial tactics they'd be subtly injecting them all over the place. The end result would the same. Read or listen to that MLK comment again. It was so clearly calculated and rehearsed it wasn't even funny. You better believe they were planning to use that as a frequent talking point to white audiences across the country, only they got nailed in the media for it. Then they recover by pinning the blame on Obama for being the racebaiter. It's always a win-win for them, you see? It goes like this:

Inject race into discussion > don't get called on it > white voters reminded that Obama is black > success

Inject race into discussion > get called on it > feign ignorance and outrage > blame Obama and surrogates for playing 'race card' > white voters reminded that Obama is black > success

See? Always a win-win for the white candidate when they racebait.

[BigDDem]

11. Obsess about the Clinton's much?

[Occam Bandage]

13. Obsess about the Clinton's what?

[quinnox]

15. I'll take my chances

Hillary is not a lock, but the republicans are in bad shape and Hillary has a decent shot at winning.

[Occam Bandage]

16. Decent, but worst of the Big Three.

[TomClash]

17. I agree with you

Believe it or not. :)

It was a risky decision by the Clintons to go after Barack the way they did - playing the race/religion card. They think people will forgive and forget after the primaries are over. And they may be right.

But what if they win dirty and we all don't "get over it?" Maybe there are protests at the Convention and it turns into a nonviolent or less violent version of Chicago '68. We'll see.

[cali]

20. I don't think I'll get over the Clintons using the Southern Strategy

I found it unforgivable in repukes, why wouldn't I find it even more unforgivable in dems?

You may be right that people will forgive and forget, but I'm not counting on it. Bill seems to think that he'll be able to charm and cajole dems back into the fold. I don't know about that.

[Riverman]

21. I won't EVER get over the Clintons - Hillary included, being SILENT

during the slaughter in Rwawanda while they sat in the White House pushing "Welfare Reform" and triangulating and making the Republican issues their own! Screw em!

[TomClash]

29. That's my biggest problem with it

- it's Phillips/Atwater/Rove all over again - except six months later these same people have to work and vote for Hillary (if she's the nominee) or we lose.

Time may heal all wounds but I don't know about that either.

[autorank]

18. Talking about issues would make a difference.

Yes, it's getting intense but among the public, it's not reached that point yet. The recent debate
where there was all that intense given and take between Clinton and Obama (I just remember the slum
lord part) does not help. Intensity on policy is very important, especially now that the chickens
have come home to roost in the economy. People care deeply. Tens of thousands are being laid off. What will they do?

What do we do as a nation to get the Hell out of Iraq, rebuild the country, take care of each other?

Nothing if you listen to the damn debates.

We win big on the issues, huge. But we're talking about who worked for whom and much earlier, the
price of a haircut, letting the media high jack the debate.

This is the the most vacant campaign on issues I've seen in any campaign since the 70's, by far.

Thats what's killing us. The public is fed up and the Republicans won't ever talk about issues.

Why not give it a shot. Couldn't hurt.

[peoli]

24. I agree and I will not vote for another Clinton ever.

What a fucking joke we will be to the world when we tell them that we are too stupid to elect someone other than Bush or Clinton. Its a pathetic possible reality.

Maybe the democratic party needs to shocked into fucking reality before they wake up and see how sick and tired THE COUNTRY is of Clinton Bush.

Maybe thats what its going to take.

A miserable pathetic loss to John McCain BECAUSE Hillary is our nominee.

Lets get our heads out of our asses, please.

[Auntie Bush]

26. And I will never buy another horse..

no matter what his name. Ours was named Delight...what a difference.

[GoldieAZ49]

27. Clinton past and present now on DVD

I guess they are not going wait until Hillary is the nominee before dragging out all the dirty laundry.

http://www.hillarythemovie.com

Anyone in Washington DC know if it actually played on January 14?

[GoldieAZ49]

28. Ads for HRC movie cannot air during campaign

The makers of "Hillary: The Movie" have lost their court battle to be exempted from campaign finance laws. They had argued that their film, which features conservative commentators arguing that Clinton is unfit to be president, is a documentary similar to "60 Minutes." Citizens United wanted to run ads for the film during campaign season, but judges ruled the group "must either keep its ads off the air or attach a disclaimer and disclose its donors," according to the Associated Press. In 2004 Citizens United argued that ads for ``Fahrenheit 9/11'' should be kept off the air, but the complaint was dismissed because ads for that film were not to be run during campaign season.