Dear Edwards supporters: Please stop trying to

[cali]

bully the supporters of other candidates with "John Edwards is the only aandidate that can win" or "john Edwards is the only real dem". I doubt you've changed one mind with those tactics and they're just as annoying as the "John Edwards should drop out" posts.

None of the objective data supports the contention that Edwards is the only dem who can win. The use of polls 2+ months old and a year out from the election are certainly anything but solid evidence for your assertion. The objetive evidence pointing to the ability of the dem nominee to win is readily available: There has been an increase in dem registration and a loss of repukes in that party. Independents in IA, NH and NV voted largely for dems. Dem turn out was vastly greater in all three states than repub turn out. Repub turn out in SC was sharply down from 2000. The pretty meaningless polls post Iowa show Clinton and Obama beating all repubs with the exception of McCain who Obama beats and Clinton doesn't. The economy is bad and getting worse, and it is absolutely a fact that dems are more trusted on economic issues. Americans overwhelmingly want the war to end and troops to come home. And that's just some of the evidence.

I appreciate that you believe that Edwards is the best candidate but the voters haven't agreed with you. And frankly, that's very unlikely to change.

Both Obama and Clinton stand a very good chance at winning the presidency based on objective evidence. You want to disagree with that evidence, fine. But stop pretending it doesn't exist.

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[Astrad]

2. In another thread you started today you indicated

Obama would 'probably lose'. Now you say he has 'a very good chance at winning'. Which is it?

[cali]

3. I indicated that I think Obama wil not get the nomination, that he'll lose

to Hillary in the primaries. I think he'd have an excellent chance if he was the nominee for the reasons in my OP. No contradiction at all.

[Auntie Bush]

10. Depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

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[cali]

5. how ridiculous can you possibly be?

There's nothing remotely rovian about my OP. I point out why the dem nominee has an excellent chance- no matter who it is. And I don't discount Edwards from that either. I simply point out, contrary to Edwardian CW, that he's not the ONLY one who can win.

And you call that rovian? I call your comment lame and petty.

[mtnester]

6. NEVER as much as you

[cali]

13. oooh, that was just so eloquent a response

:rofl:

[Auntie Bush]

11. Ha! No one ever accused me of being KKKarl either.

Sorry, but I'm enjoying this! OK, now I'll stop. I've had my fun.

[mtnester]

21. Sure its fun...until some button pusher like cali

tells me what to think...I have watched this person try to lockstep people for a week now, and finally got pissed at the heavy handedness. I understand cali is fearful of Edwards, but to come in here and tell me how to think/act/be/vote sounds a lot like someone trying to rope me into something that will not be good for me, and I can think of no better example...

it got the reaction it needed...and now I am done with it as many, MANY others are.

[ClericJohnPreston]

40. POT MEET KETTLE

[book_worm]

48. Now there is an educated response

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[cali]

19. lol

some people agree with me. others don't. you a short tempered little soul and frankly rather a bore with your endless personal attacks on me. Actually, you're rather a bore period. I've never seen one reasonably intelligent utterance out of your banal mouth.

[acmavm]

24. Then read more of my posts. Maybe you'll learn something.

[bluedog]

8. wouldn't it piss you off if Clinton &Edwards voters united!!

[Iceburg]

9. I'd be delighted /nt

[Auntie Bush]

20. Glad to hear it! That would make my day!

[citizen snips]

14. lol

[cali]

15. Not in the slightest. I've said many times that I'll vote for

the candidate and that I don't expect Obama to win the nomination. Unlike many people here, I don't suffer from any illusions. Fantasize away about what you think would piss me off. I find it quite amusing that folks project to such a degree.

[Sweet Pea]

12. I agree with the OP

4% in Nevada. Lost in Iowa. Lost in NH. $400 haircuts. HUGE house. Bank account that could feed millions of hungry families for months on end.

For someone who always wants to look good the man has a serious, a very serious image problem

[cali]

17. That i s not the point of the OP

and I could give a damn about his haircuts. That's just absurd. My point is that all of them can win, and I'm sick of the litany from Edwards supporters that he's our only chance at the WH. It's that simple.

[golddigger]

23. HOW DARE HIM!

Especially when the other candidates are living in cardboard boxes and eating out of dumpsters!!!
:wtf:

[Sweet Pea]

28. Snark all you want

But the image problem is very, very real and is demonstrated by the current 14% he is polling in his on birth state of SC.

[golddigger]

53. I will snark all I want...

Especially when I hear right wing talking points.

[Sweet Pea]

54. If you chalk up all of Edwards nagatives.....

to "right wing talking points" you are living on a river called denial in a house boat about as big as his.

You need to face the reality that this man cares more about things like his life style and his hair do and his image than anything else.

[Renew Deal]

16. It cracks me up when people say that "Edwards can win"

Because he never does. He hasn't won an election in 10 years.

[greguganus]

26. I'm starting to feel sorry for him. Well, not really. n/t

[avaistheone1]

30. WTF? Edwards won in 2004!

Cali, you have NO idea what you are talking about.

Evidently Cali did not read the studies that were published about voter caging, suppression, and voter machine fraud in Ohio, New Mexico and Florida in 2004. Edwards did in fact win . You need to read Mark Crispin Miller's work, Greg Palast's work and Robert F. Kennedy's research.

[1corona4u]

18. Who fucking died and left you boss?

[cali]

22. It's called an opinion

and I have every right to express it. And it's a post with substance- unlike the angry, whiny responses.

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[EffieBlack]

25. Nicely put.

I don't necessarily agree with all that you've written, but I do appreciate the fact that you've presented your point of view in a way that's respectful to Edwards' supporters.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

27. I disagree, It was not respectful. It was condescending.

[EffieBlack]

42. Then we don't agree.

It happens.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

45. this time we don't ...while I may agree with What was said

I did not care for the TONE it was said. This is coming from someone who has not picked a candidate. :toast:

[acmavm]

29. Opinion?

<snip>

I appreciate that you believe that Edwards is the best candidate but the voters haven't agreed with you. And frankly, that's very unlikely to change.

<snip>

You need some serious help. First let me give you this:

o·pin·ion /əˈpɪnyən/ Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

And frankly, you haven't got a clue. Never have, never will.

[krabigirl]

32. never mind

[DaDooRonRon]

33. From a newbie to the OP - please stop it

What I wish I could make you (and the countless other number of "candidate pushers" on here) understand is that every time you think you take one step forward you push me (and countless others)two steps back.

I am almost 60 years old, and never in my life have I seen such an uninspiring bought and paid for group of candidates that "profess" to be on my side.

I honestly do not know what I will do come election day, but I know this: it will have NOTHING to do with your agenda - or anyone's.

There is a pretend war on, but the dead bodies are real - in case you didn't notice and were too busy with polling info.

Let me know when someone decides to end it.

[cali]

36. Where in this OP am I pushing ANY candidate. Clue: I'm not.

And I never have. ever. I've never said that my candidate is the only electable one or that he's not flawed. I doubt you'll respond and be able to point out where I'm pushing my candidate in the OP- as I'm clearly not doing any fucking thing.

And frankly, I've never understood how anyone could let their decision about who to support be influenced by posters here.

You have your take. I have mine. I disagree with you about the candidates, and I think your pov is simplistic.

Oh yeah, I could give a shit whether you join on to my non-existent agenda, dear.

And I've been to DC three times to march and work with the local AFSC group on ending the war. So thanks for your self-rightious little lecture, but no thanks.

[DaDooRonRon]

47. Wow, you marched and everything

For some people, that's enough to make them believe they make a difference.

It's easy, it's non-threatening, and you get to pat yourself on the back.

Re: candidates - I guess I must have ESP, for I thought sure I knew who your candidate was.

Maybe I just didn't get enough rest last night.

Or maybe - just maybe - I am right.

And folks like you truly ARE pushing folks like me away.

Have you ever thought of that?

Do you care?

Oh, and thanks for the warm welcome - you must be a joy at parties.

[Justyce]

46. Welcome to DU!

:hi: It's not always this ugly around here.

[stravu9]

34. Right Back At Ya, Sweetie!

I can only speak for myself , but NO ONE BUT EDWARDS will get my Vote and I've noted A LOT MORE BULLYING from camp Obama.

[cali]

35. That's fine with me. I'm not trying to convince Edwards supporters

to either drop support for their candidate of support mine. I'm just sick of Edwards supporters dishing it out when they can't take any criticism. Fuck, the OP wasn't even a dis of Edwards. It just refuted the Edwardian CW that only he can win in a general- and it used actual evidence to do it. Evidence that not one person on this thread is able to refute.

[MadBadger]

37. Thank you Cali. Youve said exactly what I have been thinking.

[HughMoran]

38. Leave them alone

Let the Edwards supporters hold on to hope as long as possible

[robbedvoter]

39. Hear, hear! Any dem can win handily - I'm with you!

If the votes are counted, we trounce any of those numbnuts.

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[golddigger]

43. Hell, I'm slipping and sliding on the flop sweat...

from the Obamanites.

[grmamo]

44. I can't believe my eyes! Who is always attacking?

I don't attack any candidate or posters. I don't believe Obama or Clinton are better than Edwards. I am tired of taking the lesser of evils so to speak. I for one do not know what I will do if Edwards isn't the candidate - I will be up for grabs - that is how much I do not want either Obama or Clinton.

To me several of the good candidates have dropped out, to our loss but I understand big money talks. It isn't over. If a person wants to stay in to the end they should. We don't need any more quitters or people who will not fight running our government.

Oh, if I have to choose between Obama and Clinton, currently I am leaning towards Clinton as much as I don't want a DLCer because I at least know where she stands. Don't tell me to read up on Obama as you once did, like I was uninformed. I have always made voting decisions based on FACT not FICTION! Each candidate has bad points. I think Edwards is the better of the 3. I hope he stays in until the convention.



Try this Cali (this is not the first I have seen like this, but you want one) - Edwards only democratic candidate to beat all republicans in general election.

Edwards up with four 'contrast ads' in South Carolina
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/15/edwards-up-with-four-contrast-ads-in-south-carolina/
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The four 10-second spots seek to differ Edwards from his rivals by touting the former North Carolina senator's opposition of NAFTA, his refusal to take money from Washington lobbyists, his pledge not to employ lobbyists in the White House, and a recent CNN Poll showing he is the only Democratic presidential candidate to beat all the Republicans in a general election match up.



It is early - every voter should vote
from - http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/19/18447/7623
Clinton leads the overall race for delegates with 237, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates. She is followed by Obama with 135 and former Sen. John Edwards with 50. A total of 2,025 delegates are needed to secure the Democratic nomination.


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[OzarkDem]

49. Stop telling us the primaries are over

they aren't

Stop telling us the polls are accurate

they aren't

Stop telling us that we need to "settle" for DLC candidates who are rapidly reaching the end of their 15 minutes of fame

we aren't going to

Stop telling us its guaranteed that your candidate can win

it isn't

[golddigger]

50. Don't let her get to you...

Yes I have a low post count, but, I've been lurking here at DU since 2002. Cali likes stirring the pot. I think she gets off on this...imho

[OzarkDem]

51. and I like calling her on it

thanks.

[More Than A Feeling]

52. The polls show what they show.

Edwards does the best. Clinton and Obama are riskier propositions. There is no getting around that, no matter how much you bluster.