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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:21 AM
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Obama has more experience than Clinton, and he's had more success implementing real change!
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 12:29 AM by calteacherguy
By AP/CHRISTOPHER WILLS

Obama's accomplishments are more substantial and varied than Clinton suggests. And he has a longer record in elected office than she does, as a second-term New York senator.

<snip>

Obama was a community organizer and led a voter-registration effort in Chicago that added tens of thousands of people to the rolls. He was a civil rights attorney and taught at one of the nation's premier universities. He helped pass complicated measures in the Illinois legislature on the death penalty, racial profiling, health care and more. In Washington, he has worked with Republicans on nuclear proliferation, government waste and global warming, amassing a record that speaks to a fast start while lacking the heft of years of service.

After college, Obama moved to Chicago for a low-paying job as a community organizer. He worked with poor families on the South Side to get improvements in public housing, particularly the removal of asbestos. "Nobody else running for president has jumped off the career track for three or four years to help people," said Jerry Kellman, who first hired Obama as a community organizer.

Obama also fought for student summer jobs and a program to keep at-risk children from dropping out of school. More importantly, say those who worked with Obama, he showed people how to organize and confront powerful interests.

<snip>

Obama left that job to get a law degree. Afterward, he returned to Chicago and ran Project VOTE. The organization recruited hundreds of registrars to sign up new voters, particularly within the city's black population. Registration jumped nearly 15 points between the 1992 primary and the general election. The registration wave was credited with making Carol Moseley Braun the first black female senator and helping Bill Clinton carry Illinois in his first presidential race.

<snip>

Obama then spent several years focusing on the law, both as an attorney at a small firm specializing in civil rights and as a lecturer on constitutional law at the University of Chicago.

As an attorney, he was on the team that successfully sued the state of Illinois for failing to implement a federal voter-registration law.

<snip>

Obama was elected to the Illinois state Senate in 1996, when Democrats were in the minority. He proposed hundreds of new laws, including universal health care, tougher gun control and expanded welfare, but saw most of them spiked by Republican leadership.

He did have some successes, though — particularly in passing legislation sharply restricting the gifts that Illinois politicians could accept from lobbyists. Illinois has notoriously weak government ethics laws, and the Gift Ban Act was the first major new restriction since the Watergate era.

Obama also helped set up Illinois' "KidCare" program that provided health care to children in families that did not qualify for Medicaid. John Bouman, president of the Sargent Shriver National Center on Poverty Law, said Obama's work helped make the program more consumer-friendly. He also said Obama was often willing to give up credit for the legislation if that helped win Republican support.

"It tells you something that as a relatively junior member in the minority party, he was an important negotiator," Bouman said.

When Democrats gained a majority in the Senate, Obama's political mentor, Senate President Emil Jones, gave him high-profile assignments, including two contentious issues involving police — videotaped interrogations and racial profiling. Police weren't happy about recording their interrogations of murder suspects or having to study racial bias in traffic stops. Initially, they opposed both pieces of legislation. But Obama made clear that something was going to pass with or without their support. Ultimately, police groups endorsed both bills and they won unanimous approval in the Senate.

<snip>

He became a state lawmaker in 1997, four years ahead of Hillary Clinton's entrance into elected office, as U.S. senator.

<snip>

He teamed with Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., to study the dangers of nuclear proliferation and pass legislation meant to keep nuclear material from falling into the hands of terrorists. Obama also joined with Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., after Hurricane Katrina to improve oversight of federal spending. And he shared billing with a Republican presidential hopeful when he joined Arizona Sen. John McCain in sponsoring legislation that called for sharp, mandatory cuts in greenhouse gas emissions.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1704117,00.html
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:30 AM
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1. I know this is a theme with you, but I am going to say it anyway.
There are more than 2 people running for the job.

:hi:
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:32 AM
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2. Edwards is a non-starter for me.
Sorry, I just don't find him as genuine as Obama and that's the honest truth.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:42 AM
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8. So you post a daily poll and who knows how many threads about the "appointed 2"
and you call yourself a Democrat.

*sigh*
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:35 AM
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3. Hear Hear!....
I'm going to have to read this more critically tomorrow though... :blush:

Calteacherguy, make sure you check out the kid's video in this thread. You seemed kinda down tonight.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4111626
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:36 AM
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4. You do know Hillary helped prepare impeachment proceedings against Nixon?
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 12:37 AM by billbuckhead
It's absurd to compare Hillary's accomplishments with Barry's empty suit of a college professor career. Do your own research but here's a link and an excerpt. Btw, Hillary actually met MLK, so she knows :+ is no Martin Luther King. <http://www.answers.com/topic/hillary-rodham-clinton>
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"Experience in Washington, D.C

Rodham's experiences at Yale helped to focus her areas of interest and commitment toward issues related to children, particularly poor and disadvantaged ones. She became acquainted with Marian Wright Edelman, a civil rights attorney who headed up the Washington Research Project, a non-profit group based in Washington, D.C., later to be known as the Children's Defense Fund. Spending a summer internship in Washington, D.C., Rodham was assigned by Edelman to Walter Mondale's Senate subcommittee, which was studying the plight of migrant families. In subsequent years at Yale she volunteered to work in the Yale Child Studies Center and the Yale-New Haven Hospital, assisted the New Haven Legal Assistance Association, and engaged in several other projects aimed at improving understanding of, and effecting improvements in, the legal system where children were concerned. An extra year of study at Yale prior to her graduation in 1973 further refined her expertise in child law issues.

After graduation Rodham moved to Washington and took a full-time position with the Children's Defense Fund. As staff attorney, she worked on juvenile justice problems, traveling the country comparing census data with school populations and becoming involved in litigations related to juvenile issues. In January 1974 she was chosen as one of 43 lawyers handpicked to work on the legal staff of the House Judiciary Committee, which was charged with preparing impeachment proceedings against President Richard Nixon resulting from the Watergate scandal. When Nixon resigned on August 9, 1974, and the legal staff disbanded, she accepted a teaching position at the University of Arkansas Law School. It was in Arkansas in 1975 that she married Bill Clinton, whom she had met while attending Yale."
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:20 AM
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24. I thought you were going to show she has more experience than Obama.
I don't disparage the work she did as a summer intern, or as one of 43 lawyers on a committee, or traveling the country taking a census.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:00 AM
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46. So she was mixing it up in DC when Reagan-Lite was in school


What a shock.

Hmm what was that about experience.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:36 AM
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5. Great article. Naysayers due here soon. nt
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:51 AM
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11. Maybe the Clinton supporters come out when posts declare that Clinton has les experience than obama
Maybe its the phraseology of the post. Maybe an upward slant (not dissing the other) might not attract the supporters of other candidates. Let's face it. When you support Obama and someone comes on the trash him - wouldn't you defend his record?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:40 AM
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6. My mom can beat up your mom
so there!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:40 AM
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7. My mom can beat up your mom
so there! :eyes:
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:43 AM
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9. Question about "KidCare"
Is that the Illinois version of the CHIP program...the CHIP program that Hillary was instrumental in creating?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:58 AM
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17. no ...Rod R. Blagojevich stole this from hillary...
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:49 AM
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10. Wrong. Check this out: Hillary's experience on the world stage
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lissa-muscatine-and-melanne-verveer/hillarys-unprecedented-e_b_76883.html?load=1&page=3

Anyone who doubts Hillary Clinton's impact on the world stage might want to check with the top political leaders in Northern Ireland, who cite her work to end sectarian violence there and help secure a lasting peace.

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Anyone who doubts Hillary Clinton's international experience might consult with democracy activists in the Slovak Republic, who remember when she stood in solidarity with them and publicly challenged their new government's suppression of civil society.

They might talk to women - from the Philippines to Latin America to the Middle East - who can vote, own property, or go to school, because Hillary Clinton helped start a global women's movement for women's rights. Or they might travel to Africa and Asia, where Hillary Clinton visited countless remote villages to show how the poorest of the poor could become entrepreneurial and self-sufficient when given access to small loans.

In the heat of presidential campaign politics, candidates on both sides dismiss a First Lady's work as insignificant to foreign policy. But in Hillary Clinton's case, such a presumption is not only wrong, it trivializes the important global issues of human rights, democracy, and international development that are so central to strengthening American values and influence overseas and are hallmarks of her exhaustive work around the world.

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:53 AM
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12. What real change did she enact as Bill's wife in the White House?
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 12:54 AM by calteacherguy
She traveled the world and said some good things, but where's the beef? What did she actually accomplish?
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:54 AM
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13. As his wife I would not know. But this article outline what she did as First Lady of the USA>
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:55 AM
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14. First Lady is not an elected office.
I understand she traveled the world, but what did she accomplish?
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:01 AM
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18. I have to blow your statement out of the water here....
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3661776&page=1

McGovern said that he was "impressed by the experience she had as first lady. I know some people say it's not governing experience, but it really is. You're at the elbow of the power broker. She was there for all the decisions."

Then, there is the Las Vegas debate. Who do I want making decisions for me? Hillary.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:08 AM
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23. Obama won the Las Vegas Debate.
He was the only one to give an honest answer to the question about greatest weakness, and he shined. It was a great example of his honesty, character, and self-confidence.

Edwards and Clinton showed they were too afraid to tell the truth about themselves, and everyone saw that.

As well as McGovern goes, I would ask him the same thing I ask you. What did she actually accomplish as First Lady? We've never found it desireable to have the "experience" the spouse of a President supposedly has before, why is such a role of any significance now?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:47 AM
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33. You make some pretty harsh accusations.
Got anything to back it up?

I'm still trying to get someone to explain to me how Obama is a "uniter"...who, exactly has he united? A man of character wouldn't verbally assault the people who fought for our civil rights. Yes. That includes the good senator. IMO, it's shameful on it's face.

I agree with Obama on one issue. This country DOES need a new energy policy. Too bad he signed us on to the last energy bill that brought us to where we are today.

BTW- Exactly where was it that Edwards showed he was afraid to tell the truth?
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:49 AM
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34. Edwards said his greatest weakness was that he was too compassionate.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 01:50 AM by calteacherguy
He and Clinton both were afraid to reveal too much of themselves and be honest about a real weakness.

Obama is real.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:11 AM
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35. If having the attention span of a gnat is "real"...then YIPPEE!
Edwards also said he gets angry. He takes it personally sometimes. Did you miss that? How the hell does something with substance pale in comparison to someone simply admitting he's disorganized and forgetful? How the hell is that even logical to you or anyone else?
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:24 AM
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39. Good one. Voting for that energy bill wasn't exactly being "for the people."
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:23 AM
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38. Clinton and Edwards did extremely well. And, only Clinton and Edwards.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:07 AM
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22. Yes, but she held NO Security Clearance, and thus sat in on NO Intelligence Meetings.
:shrug: Not to say it was insignificant, but it was not, in any sense of the word, high levels of government diplomacy. She didn't even get close. :shrug:

It's funny that we mention "villages" because HRC's failure to vote to either limit or ban Cluster Munitions TWICE as Senator, will pave the way to fill "many villages" with the poorest of the poor MAIMED in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon ... and God Knows WHERE - ever else our illustrious DUMB (cluster) bomb manufactures wish to sell their indiscriminate killing devices. :thumbsdown:

HRC, a true humanitarian? :(
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:55 AM
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15. i`m never going to vote for obama if he runs for the senate again
from what i have read here at du i`ve come to the realization that i should have voted for alan keyes. any republican, yes, even keyes is better than obama.

i have no idea why i thought he would represent the great state of illinois,the home of lincoln and the home of some of the greatest senators in history, i confess- i was a fool.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:58 AM
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16. You certainly look the fool with that post. And please fix your grammar. nt
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:02 AM
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19. The only thing foolish here is saying Hillary has less experience than Obama.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:05 AM
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20. Prove it. nt
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:22 AM
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36. I already have, Calteacher, I already have. n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:06 AM
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21. nah i`m from illioinois and i`m dumb cause i voted for that obama fella`
i`ve been educated here tonight about how dumb i`ve been....

sorry the "obama is a republican" and some people`s lack of knowledge about how state governments just... i should know better..
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:37 AM
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29. Stop embarrasssing our great state with your dribble.
Vote for Alan Keyes? Please tell me you are joking. If not, I call troll.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:32 AM
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27. You're not in a classroom here, and you have no more authority here than anyone else, buster.
..
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:37 AM
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28. My, my. Pushed somebody's buttons!
LOL! :hi:
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:38 AM
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30. She called you buster, LOL.
Sorry, couldn't help it.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:28 AM
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25. Ha! You fool you!
:evilgrin: :thumbsup:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:31 AM
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26. thank you
it`s my badge of honor...
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:39 AM
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31. He implemented real change, if he did, for a small ethnic community,not for a diverse country
:banghead:
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:43 AM
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32. Please read the rest of the article...and don't hurt yourself.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 01:46 AM by calteacherguy
I know it is sometimes frustrating when reality knocks at the door, but headbanging is never really helpful.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:51 AM
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41. Illinois is the 5th largest state and very diverse.
In fact, even Obama's State Senate district is diverse.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:23 AM
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37. Kick!
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:27 AM
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40. Good to see something about the real Obama.
I'm tired of reading about the fictional character on DU that's conservative and loves Reagan.

He's the only one of the top three candidates who has a progressive platform and a progressive record to prove it.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:52 AM
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42. That's just not true.
It's ok to support the candidate of your choice. It's your right. That's what all of those crazy liberals marched for in the 60's and 70's, correct? It's NOT ok to lie to elevate ones candidate with false accusations. Show me WHERE Edwards isn't a progressive. He's also a populist candidate. Please explain how that makes Obama the "only one" with a progressive platform. Since when did Dick Cheney's energy bill fit a "progressive" agenda? Give me a break.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:00 AM
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43. Its completely true.
I wrote that Obama is the only one with a progressive platform AND a progressive record to prove it. Edwards has a progressive platform now but his Senate record doesn't match up. Check out his low ratings with the League of Conservation Voters and the ACLU. And of course his vote for the Iraq war. I like that he's liberal now but I trust Obama a lot more since he has always been there. Obama didn't just discover that he's a progressive right before he ran for President the second time.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:07 AM
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44. Obama hasn't changed a lick since 1998
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 03:09 AM by jackson_dem
Let's "hope" and ignore the evidence of him veering to the right as the voters he courts become more conservative (moving from a very liberal state legislative district to a liberal state, which still was more conservative than his district, and then to running a national campaign in a centrist nation). The best evidence being http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780307237705&itm=1
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:33 AM
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45. Oh sure. Voting "present" as often as he has in the past
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 03:34 AM by fooj
certifies him as a genuine progressive. Hell, at least take a stand.

Where the hell was he when Dodd stood and threatened to filibuster? Crickets. I've already mentioned that he signed on to Cheney's energy bill that has taken this country to where it is today. And how is all of that working for you?

Yes. There is that vote for the Iraq war. Show me all of Obama's "principled" votes in the US Senate thus far and tell me he would have voted against it. Obama didn't vote on the Iraq war because he wasn't a US Senator at that time. He certainly continues voting to fund it, doesn't he? Tell me...WHO's progressive?

Truth is, someone who passes up the "Queen of the Lobby" in contributions isn't a progressive. It makes him part of the establishment.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:01 PM
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47. Get over it dude. Many of those "present" votes were part of a Planned Parenthood...
Strategy. You need to inform yourself.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:35 PM
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48. I am informed.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 12:36 PM by fooj
How's that Secure Fence Act Law working out? Don't take my word for it. Look it up. Si, se puede. HA!!! Cesar Chavez would roll over in his grave.


While we're at it, how's Cheney's Energy Bill working for you and your loved ones?

Strategy? I guess that's what his excuse was for not standing with Dodd re: FISA, eh?

Nevermind.
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