Obama camp's response to Clinton camp. Be sure to read WHAT OBAMA ACTUALLY SAID!

[flpoljunkie]

Obama Camp’s Response to Clinton Camp’s Attacks on His GOP Comments


“It’s hard to take Hillary Clinton’s latest attack seriously when she’s the one who supported George Bush’s war in Iraq, the most damaging Republican idea of our generation. While others were triangulating and poll-testing their positions, Senator Obama has been fighting for progressive ideals for over two decades,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.

The full Obama quote that the Clinton campaign has distorted by parsing today:

“I think Kennedy, twenty years earlier, moved the country in a fundamentally different direction. So I think a lot of it just has to do with the times. I think we’re in one of those times right now. Where people feel like things as they are going aren’t working. We’re bogged down in the same arguments that we’ve been having, and they’re not useful. And, you know, the Republican approach, I think, has played itself out. I think it’s fair to say the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last ten, fifteen years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom. Now, you’ve heard it all before. You look at the economic policies when they’re being debated among the Presidential candidates and it’s all tax cuts. Well, you know, we’ve done that, we tried it.”

Something not so dissimilar to what Hillary Clinton herself had to say not that long ago:
At the founding of “a new liberal think tank in Washington known as the Center for American Progress,” run by John Podesta, the New York Times wrote that Democrats “want Podesta’s group to function not simply as a TV booking agency but also as the kind of idea factory that Heritage, Cato and A.E.I. were in the 1970’s, pumping out provocative new proposals that could eventually define in the public mind what it means to be progressive. Senator Hillary Clinton is one of them. “We do have to do a better job to compete in the arena with the ideas we already have,” she told me. “But it’s also clear to me that we need some new intellectual capital. There has to be some thought given as to how we build the 21st-century policies that reflect the Democratic Party’s values.”

http://thepage.time.com/obama-camps-response-to-clinton-camps-attacks-on-his-gop-comments/

[rinsd]

1. So Hillary is part of creating new ideas while Obama waxed poetic about the GOP

Thanks flpoljunkie!

[sandnsea]

2. What did the Clinton camp say?

Please tell me they attacked Reagan!!!

[Pirate Smile]

10. They are saying Obama said Republicans had "better ideas" which he

didn't.

Obama said:
I think it’s fair to say the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last ten, fifteen years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom.

Then he says: Now, you’ve heard it all before. You look at the economic policies when they’re being debated among the Presidential candidates and it’s all tax cuts. Well, you know, we’ve done that, we tried it.”

Those Republican ideas i.e. tax cuts are now "conventional wisdom" and old ideas.

Here is what Bill said:

Her principal opponent said that since 1992, the Republicans have had all the good ideas,"

Her is what Hillary said:

"I have to say, you know, my leading opponent the other day said that he thought the Republicans had better ideas than Democrats the last ten to fifteen years. That's not the way I remember the last ten to fifteen years.

[sandnsea]

11. Smart enough to sidestep Reagan bashing

Oh well. Edwards did and that'll cost him on Super Tuesday, if not tomorrow. I was really hoping they'd go off on an anti-Reagan tangent.

[Pirate Smile]

15. I edited it a few times to add what both Clintons said Obama said which, of course,

he didn't.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

14. Indeed,original isn,t it?

It,s rather a forword lateral from a backword approach.
The windy city is well known for that sort of thing.It seems to work there ,but it never really travels well.
Four score and seven ,I,ll have a white casele, I think that is a burger,I hear it,s good but don,t eat too many because that part of the cow is not so good for you.

All he said was there is too much of something and not enough of something else.

It,s not about batman ,it,s not about superman ,it,s not about the advocate of change. It,s about the exceptance of change.

Short changed again right?

[DJ13]

3. "And, you know, the Republican approach, I think, has played itself out."

Thats the part the Hillary camp hates the most (even if they wont admit it).

Their entire playbook is a desire to emulate the hate and smear that the GOP has used in winning the last two elections.

They actually believe that much like W Hillary should run without contest, then "lead" without consequence.

[DrFunkenstein]

9. No!!! The Media Needs MORE Deregulation!!!!

Let's go back to the good ole' third way politics and end welfare as you know it.

[MADem]

4. Who is griping about THAT bit?

It's the Reagan was an OPTIMISTIC guy who CHANGED the trajectory like Bill Clinton didn't do!" bit that people are a bit ired about.

That's like me saying "Gee, Hitler was a fine fellah who loved dogs, and oh, the sky was quite blue today," and having some TIME blogger get all excited and say, "I can't understand why everyone is getting upset at MADem's comment that the sky was blue...they're DISTORTING those remarks, doncha know!!!"

Let's cut the crap and go for the FULL quote: http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/obama_reagan_changed_direction_of_country_in_way_bill_clinton_didnt.php

We know TIME magazine, too. But hey, whatever.

That's the biggest and longest reach I've seen yet!!!

[Usrename]

7. That isn't even a full transcript. I've been looking everywhere for one.

I don't think there is a "full transcript" of what he said anywhere. At least I can't find it.

I thought for sure he said something about how Ronald Reagan was the champion for smaller, more effective government, and how he ushered in the new era of personal responsibility..

[MADem]

17. Let's all go to the MOVIES--here's the FULL SHOW, for your viewing pleasure

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080115/VIDEO/80115026

It's an hour long. The Reagan shit is right before the nineteen minute mark.

Enjoy.

PS--Personal Responsibility is code for "No Social Security for YOU!! Save for your own retirement, suckers!!!"

[Usrename]

18. I've got no audio at all on this machine, so I'm looking for a transcript.

It's unusual that I haven't been able to find one yet. Usually one is up somewhere within a few hours on something this contraversial.

:tinfoilhat:

I have found some more choice parts, though, while searching around:

"A lot of liberal rhetoric did seem to value rights and entitlements over duties and responsibilities."

and

"Nevertheless, by promising to side with those who worked hard, obeyed the law, cared for their families, loved their country, Reagan offered Americans a sense of common purpose that liberals seemed no longer able to muster."


And there are a whole lot of apologist here that say he is right about this. WTF????

[MADem]

19. Get to a machine with audio, borrow a headset, watch the full thing. NT

[flpoljunkie]

12. Thank for the TPM link. I agree with their interpretation of Obama's remarks here...

But Obama is also making an argument about the readiness of the electorate for change, comparing today's desire for a new direction with the electorate's mood in 1980. In this context, Obama is presenting himself as a potentially transformational figure in opposition to Hillary, who, Obama has been arguing, is unequipped to tap into the public's mood due to her coming of age in the sixties and her involvement in the political battles of the 1990s.

[sandnsea]

13. Hello??? Are we still on a conservative trajectory??

Are we still fighting all the battles Reagan set in motion?

[MADem]

20. Actually, no, we aren't. We're in War Without End, amen mode.

We're in TERRA TERRA TERRA mode, we're in MORE GOVERNMENT, NOT LESS mode, we're in SPEND, SPEND, SPEND and DEFICIT, DEFICIT, DEFICIT mode--and that is the diametric opposite of Reagan's policies. Reagan wanted to drown government in the bathtub. He wanted NO help for those who need it. Fuck the sick, take care of yourself. AIDS? Screw that--if you get it, it's YOUR fault. Social programs? We aren't a welfare state; get lost, you Welfare Queens in your caddys! And catsup--it's a vegetable--and why should the government give poor children breakfast, anyway?

Reagan wanted to drown that government in the tub, Bush II wants the government IN your bathtub, your toilet, your bedroom....

But that's not the fault of Bill Clinton. He balanced the budget, got rid of that deficit. Enhanced our standing in the world. Made people from other countries look upon us and smile.

Oh, those good times...but that Bridge to the 21st Century stuff, that Al Gore and The Environment stuff, why, that wasn't an important trajectory at all.

Sure.

[AtomicKitten]

5. K&R

[CoffeeCat]

6. Here is what Hillary Clinton said...

...according to this article, “a new liberal think tank in Washington known as the Center for American Progress,” run by John Podesta, the New York Times wrote that Democrats “want Podesta’s group to function not simply as a TV booking agency but also as the kind of idea factory that Heritage, Cato and A.E.I. were in the 1970’s, pumping out provocative new proposals that could eventually define in the public mind what it means to be progressive.

My eyes!!! MY EYES!!!!! Hillary loves the Heritage Foundation!! She wants the
Cato Institute to rule our lives!!!! Run for the hills!!!!!!

That's actually similar to the reaction that some have had about Obama saying that he wants his presidency
to be paradigm-shifting, in a way that Ronald Reagan's presidency was.

It's utterly ridiculous.

[rox63]

8. I guess this means

that HRC supports the policies espoused by the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute and the American Enterprise Institute. Maybe I should run around GDP with my hair on fire screaming about that? :shrug:

[BlueManDude]

16. The horseshit from both sides is boring. Edwards will benefit from it.

[MADem]

21. Well, if caucusers are looking for the UNION label, he will

Saint Ronnie was hardly a friend to the union man or woman....

[Radical Activist]

22. "Senator Obama has been fighting for progressive ideals for over two decades"

Exactly. Obama and Kucinich are the only two candidates left who can honestly claim that.