Alabama Is Hopeless- Look At How Clinton (And) Obama Get Crushed There

[DemocratSinceBirth]

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=468801b5-6fb8-4244-8fd7-bfb9243ce890

I can't imagine what it's like to be a Democrat there... At least in Florida we are a competitive party...

[qanda]

1. Across the board, 20%+ of blacks there will vote for the Republican

YIKES!!!!!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. That Strikes Me As A Bit Odd

I suspect most of them will come home to the Democratic party but that wouldn't change the numbers much...

I expect any Dem to lose the entire south with the possible exception of VA and FL...

Tough region to crack...

[9119495]

11. You're right

and who cares. We don't need a god damned EV from any Southern state. If we get Ohio, we don't even need Florida! I like Dean's 50 state strategy for the long term...but in the short term, fuck em' if they don't know what is good for them.

[sunonmars]

2. Actually Clinton is not far off

but Obama, not a bloody hope in that state.

I thought he was a red state boy, we were told. lol/

[Clarkansas]

4. Look at the Iowa poll, the state that has been MOST exposed to the candidates

Obama does really well there (Hillary, not so much). IA is a swing state, and it favors Dems to Repiubs. Looking at the states like AL that are barely paying attention is fun, but probably not very informative.

No Democrats is going to win a state that Wallace or Thurmond won imo, and we don't need to.
Just like Romney won't win MA, and Giuliani often loses NY in the polls, AL is a pretty imppossible state for any Dem to win.

VA is much more important.

[no name no slogan]

5. That's the deep south for you

As LBJ said after he signed the Civil Rights Act, "I just handed the south to the Republicans for the next generation".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. But The Generation Is Over And We're Still Losing

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[no name no slogan]

9. Old habits die hard

plus, the "new" GOP is not afraid to keep using its race-baiting tactics of the past generation. When the south went GOP, most of the experienced politicians went with it. We're having to rebuild from scratch, basically.

Look at it this way: it took the GOP almost 100 years to re-establish itself in the south after the civil war. It probably won't take the Dems that long, but it will take more than 40 years, unfortunately.

[madrchsod]

6. so what else is new?

why do you think nissan had to go to canada to find good workers? Daimler hired all the intelligent workers....
:hide:

[ChiciB1]

8. Gee, Funny How The Left Edwards Out Of It!!!! n/t

[nealmhughes]

10. Alabama is a very politically schizoid state. It is really 3 or 4 states lumped together.

There is the better educated North Alabama, traditionally and still Democratic, in the NW, from the Florence-Muscle Shoals are and then continuing down to Franklin County, then one has their allies in Mid Northernmost Alabama, the wealthiest part of the state, Huntsville and its suburbs. However, when one moves eastward from Huntsville and generally south of the Tennessee River, the more Republic it becomes.
Then one has Birmingham, the city is Democratic, as is Tuscaloosa, but the suburbs are Republican. Then one has the center of the state: the poverty stricken Black Belt plus Montgomery down towards Mobile, they are split, with the African American Black Belt and Montgomery population going Democratic, the whites Republican. Mobile is similar: white is Republican and blacks are Democratic.

But there are pockets of old school Populism in the state near Dothan and in the areas near Atlanta in Gadsden and Anniston. Unfornately, the Jesus voters tend to flock to the Republics. Not that the state is in reality any more Jesus obsessed than the rest of the South, it just seems to be the latest thing to do as some sort of manufactured cultural norm.

Alabama is a very poor state, and its public schools and segregation academies -- pardon! -- Christian schools turn out a very poor product until they get to college, then Alabama has a great tertiary educational system.

What can one say about a state that has the SPLC and cutting edge HIV research in Montgomery and Birmingham, Daimler and the Marshall Space Flight Center in Tuscaloosa and Huntsville and then the abject poverty of the Black Belt and the meth labs and snake handlers up in the mountains?

The Lt. Governor is a liberal (for the South) Democrat and they have the state house, and the governor barely won his reelection over the former Democratic Lt. Gov. and he is a moderate Republican. Very odd dynamics at work in the state. The parties are under the thrall of the usual suspects of real estate developers, lawyers and for the Democratic Party, the Alabama Education Association, and the Republicans, ALFA.

Personally, I like to stay upon my hilltop safe in the Loyal Fifth District, making only occasional forays to Tuscaloosa or Birmingham or to the beach! In short, I do not like to go South of the Tennessee River unless forced!

[9119495]

12. Thanks. Cool info.