I just watched the entire Obama/Reagan Video

[MadBadger]

Its actually a lot worse than I thought it was. I had only watched a little bit of it and I may need to apologize to some here at DU, I'll get back to you when I watch it again.

[skooooo]

1. Worse??

Why are people freaking out about this so much?

[avaistheone1]

5. Oh pleassse, don't you remember how Reagan took us backward about 50 years?

not to mention the major scandals of the October Surprise, and Iran Contra.

[skooooo]

10. uh answer the question?

nt

[ruggerson]

2. Are you being sarcastic?

Or are you realizing what he actually said.

[MadBadger]

3. No sarcasm from me. I had only watched tidbits.

[ruggerson]

4. Well, then apology accepted

I'm glad you see what so many of us were pissed off about.

[HeraldSquare212]

6. Omigosh, hurry!

[dominickdon]

7. Obama's 2006 words were even worse

In an interview with Meet The Press:

But I think, when I think about great presidents, I think about those who transform how we think about ourselves as a country in fundamental ways...And, you know, there are circumstances in which, I would argue, Ronald Reagan was a very successful president, even though I did not agree with him on many issues, partly because at the end of his presidency, people, I think, said, “You know what? We can regain our greatness. Individual responsibility and personal responsibility are important.” And they transformed the culture and not simply promoted one or two particular issues.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/obama_reagan_changed_direction_of_country_in_way_bill_clinton_didnt.php

[sunonmars]

8. The guy is a wolf in sheeps clothing

[Hatchling]

12. omg

That's unbelievable. I'm just shaking my head in dismay.

[IsItJustMe]

13. Have to be honest, if that isn't Regan cheerleading, I don't know what is.

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. Nobody, but nobody who was a Reagonite followed the principle

of individual or personal responsiblity. Instead, they followed the principle of cronyism, and when they got through patronage, what they could not get from honest work, they turned around and denounced everybody who was not on the same social class level as they were.

[jackson_dem]

19. And his words in his 2006 book were even worse than his MTP comments!

One example from pages 156-157

"The conservative revolution Reagan helped usher in gained traction because Reagan's central insight--that the liberal welfare state had grown complacent and overly bureaucratic, with Democratic policy makers more obsessed with slicing the economic pie than with growing he pie--contained a good deal of truth."

He makes the argument the DLC made about the size, role of government. When people talk of expanding the pie rather than slicing it they are using smokescreens for talking about cutting back on social programs.

[Elidor]

27. Ye gods

The more he says, the stupider he sounds. Even *gulp*...even Hillary would be better than this. That was hard to say, but I mean it.

[THUNDER HANDS]

9. worse, how?

[ClericJohnPreston]

24. You will never understand

unless you leave the cult and actually THINK about the things this man has said.

Obviously, he has been saying these things for a long time, but people are finally paying attention.

Bashing liberals and Black men generally, isn't a key to success, especially while pandering to the conservatives and lining your coffers with CORPORATE DOLLARS!

[indimuse]

11. Does Obama want to be "Jesus "next....

I getting the feeling...He doesn't want to "Run" the WH...and server Americans..etc..Obama..I never really hear him speak on policies...He just isn't that engaged and excited about the Change brought by implementing GREAT NEW Policies.etc...His "Change" is a whole other Universe... "thinks" he is some kind of savior...It very weird haven't put my finger on it yet...but I will. It's more than being The President of the US to Obama..What is his agenda>>>???.

[usregimechange]

14. Read my post about this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4100096&mesg_id=4100096

[Gloria]

15. Over at NO QUARTER, Larry Johnson's blog, they have more of the

interview....

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/17/obama-panders-to-right-throws-democrats-under-the-bus/trackback/

[flyarm]

18. ah yes ...Obama..and where he would like us to go..

thank you for Larry Johnson's piece...

Obama Panders to Right, Throws Democrats Under the Bus
By SusanUnPC on January 17, 2008 at 7:24 PM in Ronald Reagan, Obama, Current Affairs

Obama said what? That the GOP has been the party of ideas for the last ten to fifteen years? Are you kidding me?



http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/17/obama-panders-t...

In one fell swoop, Obama disparages the success-filled, non-stop efforts of millions of people during the 1960s and 1970s, efforts that Matt Stoller lists vividly at Open Left blog:

Obama admires Reagan because he agrees with Reagan’s basic frame that the 1960s and 1970s were full of ‘excesses’ and that government had grown large and unaccountable.

Those excesses, of course, were feminism, the consumer rights movement, the civil rights movement, the environmental movement, and the antiwar movement. The libertarian anti-government ideology of an unaccountable large liberal government was designed by ideological conservatives to take advantage of the backlash against these ‘excesses’.

It is extremely disturbing to hear, not that Obama admires Reagan, but why he does so. Reagan was not a sunny optimist pushing dynamic entrepreneurship, but a savvy politician using a civil rights backlash to catapult conservatives to power.

I remember what I did in 1981 after Ronald Reagan became president. I spent every lunch hour in downtown Seattle gathering signatures on Sierra Club petitions demanding that President Ronald Reagan fire James Watt, his Secretary of the Interior who was ready to bulldoze and sell off those “excesses” that Obama disparages — our country’s national parks, national lands, the Endangered Specist Act, the Marine Mammal Protection Act, and on and on.

It was clear to me that President Reagan was trying to undo all the progressive gains that our nation had made in the last decades.



I remember the horrible Reagan years..god help us if a dem wants to take us back to that bullshit!
fly

[question everything]

17. "The excess of the 60s"

Right from the editorial pages of the Wall St. Journal.

Oh, and I was looking for a link but found it on the Video forum.

[Occam Bandage]

20. And now, ex-boyfriend syndrome begins. nt

[ClericJohnPreston]

25. So when will you wake up cultist?

[Occam Bandage]

28. .

:eyes:

[Skip Intro]

21. thanks for being honest

takes some guts here, I know.

[jackson_dem]

22. I admire your honest and openess

[jackson_dem]

23. I admire your honest and openess

[ClericJohnPreston]

26. Now that you have awakened

try listening to Obama again.

Guaranteed to make you cringe. Worse than that? All the cultists here who refuse to do what you did today. Actually LISTEN and THINK it all through.

Welcome. You have left the "Matrix", and have taken the red pill to reality!

It may not be pretty, but it beats slogans and speechifying and praising Conservatives.

[ecstatic]

29. be reasonable about this. I have the same, extremely gut level negative reaction

to anything Reagan; however, this issue IS based on faux outrage. Time to get over it.