Obama Lies to Nevada Debate Audience (can't be Trusted to be Truthful w/public)

[Tellurian]

Obama blocked own 'top Senate achievement'

By: Kenneth P. Vogel

Jan 16, 2008

LAS VEGAS — Barack Obama boasted at Tuesday's Democratic presidential debate that, thanks to his work in the Senate, the public can find out which special interest lobbyists are raising money for candidates.

In fact, the public cannot — also as a result of Obama's work in the Senate.

He led a partisan confirmation battle that crippled the agency charged with implementing the new law requiring candidates to disclose lobbyists who collect big checks for candidates — a process known as “bundling.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7929.html

Just what we need..another President that Lies to the American People. Says "one" thing..."then does another.."

[ursi]

1. WTF?

I can't wait to see what Hillary lied about!

[Tellurian]

6. yeah, go ahead, check it out. Get back to me when you know!

[awaysidetraveler]

67. You know something Hillary Bait? This smear campaign harms Hillary. The facts don't check out.

Of course, you do have do download the law and read the thing, but I did and here it is.

The section on bundling is section # 204.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ081.110.pdf

The bundling disclosure act is designed to reveal who bundlers are, and it forces them to put
the information online. There's no lie from Obama here.

But you probably knew that, didn't you?

Well, maybe that's not fair. Maybe you just didn't check your sources.

[awaysidetraveler]

68. It's a bogus article. You have to check the source.

[HeraldSquare212]

2. Obama blocks nominee accused of diluting minority voting power

from the article cited:


-snip-

Obama was among the leading proponents of a provision requiring disclosure to the FEC of contributions bundled by lobbyists to congressional and presidential candidates. And the provision was included in the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act," which President Bush signed into law in September.

But the commission lacks the votes necessary to take any official actions, including implementing — let alone enforcing — the law, rendering it effectively moot. That’s because Senate Democrats, led by Obama, blocked the confirmation of four nominees to the six-seat agency, leaving it without a quorum.

Obama and Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) technically put a hold on the Senate confirmation of only one nominee: Hans von Spakovsky. He has been accused of diluting minority voting power during an earlier stint as a Justice Department lawyer.

-snip-

Politico makes it sound nefarious, but the reason it's held up is because the FEC doesn't have a quorum because Obama is blocking the appointment of a bad guy.

1. Hillary supporters have routinely objected to citing Politico - why is it OK for Obama stories?

2. Why won't Hillary block someone accused of diluting minority vote? For answer, see Nevada.

3. In psychology, psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes to others one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions. Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted subconscious impulses/desires without letting the ego recognize them. The theory was developed by Sigmund Freud and further refined by his daughter Anna Freud, and for this reason, it is sometimes referred to as "Freudian Projection"

[Tellurian]

7. Why didn't he tell the Truth at the Debate? He outright lied !

when he had the perfect venue to tell the American people the Truth of the matter.

[Tellurian]

44. So much for a "would be" president breaking in Lying to the constituency!

"I guess the Obamarama fans don't want to spoil the party by thinking Chicago Barry is just another, ahem, ethically challenged politician. If you don't like a story, just shoot the messenger or accuse him of bias. Besides, Obama didn't worry too much about getting cozy with lobbyists during his time in the Illinois legislature. Can you say "Tony Rezko"? Oops . . . so much for "change" and "hope".

[LittleClarkie]

27. My first clue that this was not as it has been portrayed was that my Senator was involved

Russ Feingold is good shit.

[skipos]

3. Honest Hil Hearts Lobbyists. nt

[tabatha]

4. Read the comments on the story at that link.

"Come on media. Can't you just give the information without dramatizing it or insinuating that something is contradictory. There is nothing in contradiction about creating this new opportunity for transparency and then fighting to ensure it is not corrupted by Bush/Republican appointees known to be in favor of the opposite interests of their positions and who are also veiled in secrecy. You do a disservice to the readers of these blogs, who are at least a little savy in politics to know better. Cut the crap on the misleading headlines. Enough!"

It is a crap article, and very misleading.

[Tellurian]

14. A Lie is, is a Lie, no matter how you want to paint it differently..

This is Obama's ONLY accomplishment! And he moves to scuttle it making transparency a non-issue until after the nomination and perhaps not even before the general! Obama is a "joke" We expect and deserve more than we're getting here with this 2 faced charlatan!

[NYCGirl]

5. You neglected to post it was because he blocked von Spakovsky, along with Feingold.

Obama was among the leading proponents of a provision requiring disclosure to the FEC of contributions bundled by lobbyists to congressional and presidential candidates. And the provision was included in the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act," which President Bush signed into law in September.

But the commission lacks the votes necessary to take any official actions, including implementing — let alone enforcing — the law, rendering it effectively moot. That’s because Senate Democrats, led by Obama, blocked the confirmation of four nominees to the six-seat agency, leaving it without a quorum.

Obama and Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) technically put a hold on the Senate confirmation of only one nominee: Hans von Spakovsky. He has been accused of diluting minority voting power during an earlier stint as a Justice Department lawyer.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7929.html


You obviously have no shame at all.

[DJ13]

8. You obviously have no shame at all.

Republicans and Hillary supporters know no shame.

Winning at all cost is their mantra.

[NYCGirl]

11. You talkin' to me?

I'm no Hillary supporter.

[DJ13]

29. You talkin' to me?

No, my post was a follow up to your point about the Clinton supporter having no shame.

[NYCGirl]

32. Oh, OK. The original poster has no shame at all.

:hi:

[EV_Ares]

56. There you go, this poster should be pretty good at this by now as much as

the poster does it. For me it is no credibility anymore other than to see the comments it gets.

Obama doesn't lie. However, if you are unable to comprehend, who knows how you will interpret things.

[LittleClarkie]

30. Looks like a misplaced comment. Meanwhile...

nice DeNiro impersonation.

[NYCGirl]

36. Thank you...

don't forget to tip your waiter! (Rimshot.)

:evilgrin:

[Tom Rinaldo]

62. Oh stop with the broad brush smeers.

If you are looking for someone with no shame try glancing at a mirror. Saying that the 35 to 40% of Democrats who back Clinton all "know no shame" is pretty damn shameful.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

9. ungood. nt

[Tellurian]

51. Looks like Obama fits in perfectly with a "broken system"..

If Obama didn't see the potential impact to the FEC, he's careless. If he did, and did it anyway, he's reckless.

[EV_Ares]

57. Are you a masochist and just post crap to get attention? eom.

[Tellurian]

60. Let's change the story line from Obama to Clinton...

now, you don't have a problem with that, do you?

[EV_Ares]

64. LOL, that makes about as much sense as your post, You answered

that question about as well as I guessed you could or would.

[Tellurian]

65. Huh.. try speaking English when you respond..

[EV_Ares]

66. LOL, what difference does English make since you do not comprehend anything

anyway. Is that the best you can do when you make such a post as this. Look at the comments.

[Tellurian]

70. you keep posting, I'll keep laughing at your stupidity!

[EV_Ares]

71. LOL, my right to post and besides, talk about stupidity. Why do you think

you got the comments here you did; not because of a high intelligence level post. You seem to have a liking of your hate attack type posts and don't even bothor to have any proof or backup of your attacks. Of course there is a reason for that isnt there, they would have to be true first.

[Tellurian]

72. Obama Lies with ease.. see post #54

[EV_Ares]

74. Exactly as I said, your typical posting you do with no proof, no backup, nobody agreeing with

you just your fake claims. Its been real but must move on to somewhere else with some intelligent and truthful posting.

[FrenchieCat]

10. That's not the real story in the details....

I hope you read the whole story....cause here's more ......



Obama was among the leading proponents of a provision requiring disclosure to the FEC of contributions bundled by lobbyists to congressional and presidential candidates. And the provision was included in the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act," which President Bush signed into law in September.

But the commission lacks the votes necessary to take any official actions, including implementing — let alone enforcing — the law, rendering it effectively moot. That’s because Senate Democrats, led by Obama, blocked the confirmation of four nominees to the six-seat agency, leaving it without a quorum.

Obama and Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) technically put a hold on the Senate confirmation of only one nominee: Hans von Spakovsky. He has been accused of diluting minority voting power during an earlier stint as a Justice Department lawyer.

The derailing of von Spakovsky bolstered Obama’s civil rights bona fides. It pleased Democratic and black activists, because it dovetailed with their concerns about politicization of the Justice Department under President Bush.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7929.html

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Bundling is the practice of one donor gathering donations from many different individuals in an organization or community and presenting the sum to a campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_money

Edwards accepts bundling as well.

[Renew Deal]

15. These people just assume you won't click on the link.

Amazing. :banghead:

[Tellurian]

21. He Lied to millions of People at the debate..

He never mentioned the "full" story. Very misleading. It would have been NO skin off his nose had he honestly said..his "ONE" accomplishment "IS" a Lame Duck! BRAVO Senator, for your Truthiness!

[babylonsister]

46. Who's lying now? You've been outed; tell the truth. nt

[Tellurian]

49. Are you denying Obama didn't tell the audience his "ONE" accomplishment FAILED?

What good is passing Ethics Legislation that is never going to see the light of day?

And he didn't have the guts to tell the American People the status of his failed accomplishment!

Instead, he took credit for passing another one of his fairy tales!

[babylonsister]

50. Are you arguing all you're doing is babbling nonsense? Read the

other posts on this thread. Why should I waste my time when it's all there? You're screaming he lied, but that's what you're doing. I have no desire to waste my time on your lies.

[Tellurian]

54. It's really shouldn't be too difficult for you to understand, sister..

If Obama had mentioned his efforts of putting forth a "transparency" of Ethics Bill had failed when speaking about it at the debate rather than taking credit for getting a Bill passed that for all intents and purposes is useless and accomplishes nothing...I might or might not mention it...

The fact remains, he had the choice of telling the Truth and advising the audience of the current situation that his "Ethics Reform Bill" has failed to get the job done...Instead, he chose hiding the Truth from the public and led them to believe his "Ethics Reform Bill" is an indication of the "CHANGE" he intends making for open transparency in government.

Obama deliberately misled the Nevada viewing audience and the American People into believing his "Ethic's Bill" is working and part of his plan to fix a broken corrupt system. (Isn't "Ethic's Reform" a centerpiece of his campaign?) (Doesn't he mention he's responsible for passing an Ethics Reform Bill at every whistle stop he visits and continues to mislead people?)

Not very ethical of Obama not to make public his Bill has failed to make "change" a reality in Ethics Reform.

[Ken Burch]

12. Uh...would you be one of those "uncontrollable supporters" HRC was talking about?

n/t.

[Renew Deal]

17. lol

:rofl:

[Tellurian]

22. No, she was talking about you, pretender!

[Barack_America]

13. Here's the website he helped get set up...

http://www.usaspending.gov/

ETA: Different issue, I realize, but cool website.

[BootinUp]

16. this thread is just overboard

I applauded his keeping that nutball off the commission.

[calteacherguy]

33. Thanks, Jim. I appreciate the honesty of a fellow Clark supporter

We are always an honest bunch, even if we may favor different candidates.

[BootinUp]

42. This primary is stressing

relationships in the Clarkie world. It is because the race has become about personalities and historical legacies and personal faults vs. professional ability and issues. Hope its over soon so we can be on the same team again.

[Silence Dogood]

59. I agree.

[calteacherguy]

34. Thanks, Jim. I appreciate the honesty of a fellow Clark supporter

We are always an honest bunch, even if we may favor different candidates.

[LittleClarkie]

35. That would be Tellurian for ya

If it ain't over the top, it's not a Tellurian thread.

[David Zephyr]

18. How about Bill being "truthful" (your word) to his wife and his vows.

Be careful when you dance out on that broken plank that teeters over the crocodiles.

[BootinUp]

20. are you going fundie on us? nt

[David Zephyr]

24. It's not "fundie" to honor relationships. It's what good people do.

You are not demeaning fidelity now, are you? I hope not.

Breaking someone's heart and betraying them and making a fool out of the woman who carried his child was about as low as it gets. It's forgivable, but before one throws stones about "truth", you might want to check out the glass house you are living in.

Being faithful to your mate is a big deal with me. I'm with my companion for 34 years. It didn't happen with us cheating on each other.

That is not a "fundie" value. It's the value of love.

[BootinUp]

37. Preaching holier than though is a fundie trait in my book.

People who have healthy relationships should be grateful, not preachy.

[David Zephyr]

41. You made my point about the word "truth" in the OP. It's "holier than thou"

Thank you for making my point about self-righteousness.

When you point that finger of "truth" at others, be sure the other three are not pointing back to you.

[BootinUp]

43. I stand by what I said

and further, I challenge you to better explain wtf you are talking about. If you think choosing a President should involve an examination of a spouses fidelity, I say you are in the wrong party.

[Tellurian]

23. I don't have to be careful revealing a LIE!

[emilyg]

39. What a dumb post.

[Hobarticus]

73. Wow, that's dumb.

Best ya got?

[no name no slogan]

19. That's okay. I lied to the Nevada debate audience too

But since I was not invited (AGAIN), nobody knew the damn difference :grr:

[Cameron27]

25. I think Dan Abrams was talking about this

tonight but I wasn't paying attention. I'll have to rewind and watch it again.

[Tellurian]

38. The situation itself is questionable..Like who's pulling the strings..

But to LIE and take credit for something that won't exist for God knows how long, geared to making himself above it all as Obama is some how MORE than ethical...is nothing more than a LOW DOWN DIRTY LIE...

[Yael]

26. Birds are chirping, flowers are blooming and the truce is working

:popcorn:

[madrchsod]

31. they just can`t stop can they....

i guess russ is in on the conspiracy too!...you know that bill was co-sponsored by a REPUBLICAN!!!!!!!!

[Barack_America]

28. I love that we're slamming him for pushing an innovative piece of legislation...

...that the GOP just happens to be blocking.

That epitomizes Democratic, eat-your-young pettiness.

Well done!

[Tellurian]

40. Thats never going to see the light of day! Thats Obama magic for ya!

[Tellurian]

45. Come Clean Obama, admit you Lied at the Nevada Debate!

[NYCGirl]

47. Talking to yourself?

So you think von Spakovsky should be confirmed then.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

48. Obama is too wet behind the ears. nt

[ProSense]

52. How Kerry, Feingold and Obama blocked Bush's chief vote suppressor from the FEC

How Kerry, Feingold and Obama blocked Bush's chief vote suppressor from the FEC

[LittleClarkie]

53. Can always count on you for the info, ProSense

Thanks for your hard work.

[Tellurian]

55. Ah, so Kerry is in on this too.. The plot thickens when you rattle the cages!

[Barack_America]

61. They're all in on it...

and....shhh.....I suspect they're listening.

:tinfoilhat:

[Tellurian]

63. yeah, and so are we!

[AtomicKitten]

58. Yeah, I saw that on Dan Abrams. Hey Tell, why didn't you post the #1 misstatement?

Maybe I can help you out.

[democrat2thecore]

69. But Hillary can be trusted after Rose Law Firm files debacle? -nt