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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:43 AM
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Poll question: Boh Johnson's comment; What was he talking about?
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 10:47 AM by Perky
At a rally here for Mrs. Clinton at Columbia College, Mr. Johnson was defending recent comments that Mrs. Clinton made regarding Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. She did not mean to take any credit away from him, Mr. Johnson said, when she said that it took President Johnson to sign the civil rights legislation he fought for.

Dr. King had led a “moral crusade,” Mr. Johnson said, but such crusades have to be “written into law.”

“That is the way the legislative process works in this nation and that takes political leadership,” he said. “That’s all Hillary was saying.”

He then added: “And to me, as an African-American, I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues since Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood--and I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in the book--when they have been involved.”

Johnson later explained his statement thus:

My comments today were referring to Barack Obama’s time spent as a community organizer, and nothing else. Any other suggestion is simply irresponsible and incorrect.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:07 AM
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1. kick
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:18 AM
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2. What difference does it make if he was alluding to cocaine or not?
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 11:25 AM by durrrty libby
Is cocaine use a lie? Why have outrage over the truth? It's stupid

Obama wrote he was once a coke head. Deal with it
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:26 AM
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4. Well he clains it was not about drug use.
Why?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:37 AM
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11. "Why?" Ask him.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:26 AM
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5. Then why after the fact are they trying to say he was referring to community organizing
if it's not such a big deal?

:shrug:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:30 AM
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7. You would have to ask Mr Johnson. I can't read his mind but
the more people act outraged at what he said, the longer

people will focus on O'bama's cocaine use. Once again his supporters

only hurt him



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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:31 AM
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8. Well, you're a Clinton supporter
Why would her campaign say Johnson was referring to his community work? :shrug:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:34 AM
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10. See #7 Asked and answered
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:59 PM
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33. really?
seems to me it's your candidate who's hurting, not mine. And in part, it's because of HER supporters. I think you should be worrying about how poorly Hillary is doing. Isn't quite the romp to the nomination you imaagined, huh?
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:29 AM
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6. So if Johnson was actually referring to drug use, his later claim makes him a liar n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:33 AM
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9. Who cares. He is already a gazillionaire and I'm sure he has
been called worse. I am also sure he could give 2 shits what you think of him
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:46 AM
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12. So you think it's ok for Clinton surrogates to be liars? n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:56 AM
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14. I don't know if Johnson lied or not. I do know Obama admitted he was once a coke head
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:16 PM
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17. Hew as not a cokehead....he experimented for a short seaon
and then wised up.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:34 PM
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29. lol
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:25 AM
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3. For him to claim it wasn't the drug use is ridiculous
Just insert it into his statement:

He then added: “And to me, as an African-American, I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues since Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood--you know, community organizing in the black community--when they have been involved.”

Like that would undermine Obama's credibility vis a vis Clinton on supporting African Americans? Huh?

Actually the statement doesn't make in general if you think about it.
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TheSource Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:48 AM
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13. Considering...
the fact he owns BET, a show that perpetuates the problems with our community.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:14 PM
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15. Are you calling him a liar?
x(

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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:15 PM
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16. I have not offered an opinion,
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:24 PM
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21. Waiting for the poll in your post to make up your mind for you? n/t
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:30 PM
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27. hardly
I think he and the clinton campaign very clearly are lying about the intent of his comment
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:18 PM
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18. Debi, watch the video
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/01/13/johnson.on.clinton.obama.cnn?iref=videosearch

The referenced part is at 8:30 in.


Now, tell me he was referring to Obama's community work.

"Jay Carson, a Clinton spokesman, said Johnson had made earlier remarks about how Obama was as a community organizer in Chicago neighborhoods while Clinton was active on civil rights issues in Arkansas.

"My comments today were referring to Barack Obama's time spent as a community organizer, and nothing else," Johnson clarified in a later statement. "Any other suggestion is simply irresponsible and incorrect."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/13/clinton_obama_campaigns_spar_o.html?hpid=topnews
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:23 PM
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20. I watched it at least 1/2 dozen times on the morning news shows
I'm waiting for Senator Clinton to ask him to leave the campaign - like she has asked all the other supporters of hers that elude to or speak of Senator Obama's past drug use. :hi:

It is sad that somebody with as high of position w/in the media industry would stoop so low...and then not take responsibility for their own words. He didn't get where he is by avoiding the truth or by making such deplorable comments.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:38 PM
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30. Okay Debi
I've always respected what you have to say. And I agree, I cannot believe that Clinton stood by while he said that and now is trying to spin it as community work. :shrug: It's sad really.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:22 PM
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19. Edit since you were obviously being sarcastic. n/t
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 12:25 PM by jenmito
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:26 PM
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22. Thanks, I think, but what did you say? n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:27 PM
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26. Nothing terrible...
but something like, "Are you the one Hillary supporter who believes him?" Then one of these: :rofl:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:52 PM
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31. Oh well no...and uh no!
:thumbsup:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:56 PM
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32. Good...
sorry I didn't get it. :)
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:07 PM
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34. Thing is (and it doesn't matter for me now - since I'm from Iowa)
I wasn't against a Clinton nomination. I wasn't 100% on board, but wouldn't have cringed had the Senator received the nomination. And really, up until after Iowa there wasn't too much bs and mud to be waded through.

However, the longer this race goes on the worse the campaign's behavior (first the two volunteers in Iowa - then Jim what'shisname in New Hampshire and now Johnson). I won't even get into WJC's 'fairytale' comments or the Senator's comments about MLKJr. and LBJ!)

It's like watching a trainwreck in slow motion. The campaign is self destructing and it's lead player is orchestrating the actions.

The other thing I noted to my husband is that I haven't seen or heard the Obama campaign make any side references to Senator Clinton being female. None at all - no sexist remarks - no 'girl' or 'kitchen' remarks. Seems somebody can keep it clean.

(and I don't believe that bs victory party rap song crap...it would have been ALL over the Iowa papers...like they're weren't bloggers located at every corner of every party everywhere :eyes:)

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:13 PM
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35. OK...
I agree with everything you just said. :)
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:26 PM
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23. delete
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 12:28 PM by hnmnf
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:27 PM
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24. Other
I'm a Clinton supporter and I don't give a rat's ass what Bob Johnson meant.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:27 PM
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25. Of course he was talking about drug use, but more importantly -
what the heck is Hillary thinking having this guy speak on her behalf? This is a man whose fortune was made in part by the demeaning of black women. It's a little shocking to see him promoting a woman candidate when he apparently regards many women as "bitches and hos."
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:31 PM
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28. And lobbied for the hedge fund tax avoidance loophole
He really is a piece of shit. I wouldn't want him in my corner.




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