What has Kucinich have against Hillary?

[hedgetrimmer]

....Dennis Kucinich on Tuesday asked his supporters to make rival Sen. Barack Obama their second choice if he doesn't meet a cutoff point for voting in Iowa's caucuses. ( http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004103369_campdig02.html?syndication=rss )

Kucinich alluded to online reports alleging disparities around the state between hand-counted ballots, which tended to favor Sen. Barack Obama, and machine-counted ones that tended to favor Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. He also noted the difference between pre-election polls, which indicated Obama would win, and Clinton's triumph by a 39 percent to 37 percent margin. ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22608231/ )

Two primaries, two Obama endorsements and two offensive movements against Hillary.... hmmmmmmmmmmm...

[graywarrior]

1. What's he have against Edwards?

[hedgetrimmer]

7. In 2004 Kucinich and Edwards were in Iowan agreement...

Obama looks better to Kucinich this time around, I guess.

[eleny]

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[hedgetrimmer]

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[eleny]

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[graywarrior]

21. *snort*

[ursi]

3. the DLC?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/dlc-leaders-cut-edwards-out

[hedgetrimmer]

6. Hmmm.......... Perhaps.

[Dogmudgeon]

4. Read Counterpunch and/or Hitchens

The hard-ass Left hates the Clintons as much as the GOP. Kucinich would lose half of his own base if he failed to insult her.

--p!

[hedgetrimmer]

10. Links! I want links.

That Kucinich would lose 1/2 his base if he didn't insult her. Polls, give me polls... I need to see some #'s, make them up if you have to but give us some substance what kind of Democrats do you think we are?

[LWolf]

24. You are almost correct.

I haven't read counterpunch much, or hitchens at all. Yet, as one of the "hard-assed left," I won't cast a vote for Clinton. I don't "hate" her, but I sure as hell won't vote for her.

That part you got mostly right.

This "hard-assed left" voter won't be voting for Obama, either, and the REAL "hard-assed left" doesn't find anything "liberal" or "progressive" about him except for a suspicious resemblance to the "progressive policy institute" that he is conspicuously not affiliated with.

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5. Her (relative) eagerness to use war as an instrument of policy

Also the amount of her campaign contributions that have come from the health industry

[hedgetrimmer]

9. Is that all?

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17. Yes.

I'm not saying "Kucinich is right and you're a bad Progressive if you don't see it his way."

I'm saying "Kucinich's view is that Sen. Clinton is an untenable candidate because she is too beholden to health insurance companies and is too eager to use war as an instrument of policy."

[comradebillyboy]

11. I don't think Dennis throwing his 1% support

to any particular candidate will make much difference outside of Du

[sniffa]

12. He's sexist

[hedgetrimmer]

14. OK ... Plain Texan Linguistics here.... Kucinich does not want a Hillary nomination, why?

The speculative reasons are many, underneath he don't have a shit's chance in a fly colony of winning but he damn sure don't want Hillary and is using his low placement abilities against her. Now I wonder why one candidate would go so outside of their own means to put a hurting on another? What has Kucinich have against Hillary?

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18. Plain Texas language:

1) He thinks Senator Clinton would be too willing to start another war

2) He thinks Senator Clinton would be support policies that favor large corporations, particularly health care industry corporations, too much

As to why he chose Obama over Edwards (or Gravel, or Richardson, or Biden, or Dodd, or LaRouche, or...) in Iowa, I can't say. It might be a tactical decision (Obama has the better chance of beating Clinton, many people say), or it might be because of an ideological or personal affinity with Obama. I don't know. I'm not really a Kucinich fan so I didn't bother to delve deeply into his endorsement. He's been pretty straightforward with his complaints about Senator Clinton, though; I'm frankly surprised that you think this was out of the blue.

Honestly, as was pointed out upthread, a better question might be "What does Kucinich have against Edwards?"

[gate of the sun]

15. I guess when elections occur ...

no serious debate or curiosity remains in the minds of people so seriously devoted to their candidate. I would speculate that if Kucinich did indeed purposefully try to circumvent Hillary I would think people would give pause to wonder what that was about. I believe Kucinich has integrity and must have reasons for what he is doing. It does make me wonder.

[gdaerin]

16. My God

If you can ask that question with a straight face you are not informed. Just for starters: Kucinich is a Real democrat, unlike Hillary, who is more like democrat-lite.

Wait, you're a republican right?

[comradebillyboy]

25. so 99% of the dems who do not

favor Dennis are not real Democrats? Who appointed you as the decider as to who is a real democrat and who isn't. It seems to me, given his minuscule support, that Kucinich and his supporters are the ones who are completely out of touch with the democratic voters.

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20. He seems to want to affect the outcome more than draw people to his message.

He loses something in the process.

[martymar64]

23. At least he has a message

Hillary's message is "Whatever the corporations and AIPAC want, the corporations and AIPAC get. Fuck the people"

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26. Well see, that's just bullshit. Your hate for her stains this conversation.

[Adelante]

22. Kucinich did not endorse Obama in either Iowa or New Hampshire

Kucinich didn't run in Iowa. He asked his supporters there to vote for Kucinich on the first alignment and if they could not form a large enough group to qualify, to move to Obama for the realignment.

In New Hampshire, he made no similar request nor did he for any upcoming state. He wants his supporters to vote for him, not for Obama.

However, on the why of the Iowa request, when asked by Tucker, why not Clinton or Edwards? Kucinich answered he believes Obama is "sincere." Beyond that, the only thing I know of that Kucinich has said is that he and Obama share the desire for change. I conclude he thinks both Clinton and Edwards are not sincere in their desire for change. But you make of it what you will.

In New Hampshire, I think Kucinich is acting on the issue of election protection, having no relation to Obama, except as one of the candidates involved. It is certainly no endorsement of Obama.

Kucinich wants his supporters to vote for Kucinich.