Why did women break for HRC in NH so much more than Iowa?

[Perky]

Was it organization? Was it advertising/robocalls/mailers? Did Obama missstep somehow and we missed it. Was it a backlash out of fear women would be denied an obvious opportunity to have a female president? This was clearly a deciding factor. Something changed. I am just trying to figure out why it happened.

Any ideas.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. ready camera,, action, tears on cue. That's a take.

print.

[Perky]

2. I don't think tearing up was the least bit staged.

Shew was tired andpeople get emotional under stress. Itg was a completely genuine moment.


There may have been somepostivie result for her showing some vunerability. but if the episode gaveher a bump it was more like back lash against the media presenting it in sexist terms.

[Dawgs]

4. I disagree.

Hillary has almost never shown emotion, yet she's able to muster up some the day before the most important election of her life.

Sorry. Not buying it.

[hedgehog]

7. When I get that emotional, I can't speak. nt

[redqueen]

9. Insulting to women. (nt)

[stillcool]

12. that's what the 'experts' say..

everyone saw her showing emotions and changed their mind.

[truebrit71]

20. Ed-Zackery...that staged moment, plus the MSM pile-on...

...got them wimmin folk all riled up...

[CK_John]

3. IMO, it was the peer pressure of a caucus that was in play, go along to keep the peace and

and the time of the caucus(7PM). Meal time and child playtime and sitter issues etc. When you set a time certain for a vote you automaticlly disallow whole groups of voters. The caucus is a bad system.

[Adelante]

5. The tearful moment

She was abused unmercifully by the media and dissed by Edwards and hectored by misogynists to iron their shirts. I am all for Obama, but I was extremely disturbed by it all. The women's vote solidified around her, because why should any woman have to take that sexist shit, especially when she's running an already tremendously difficult course to be the most powerful person in the world? I think mainly that's what turned it. But Hillary also realized that she had been complacent about women in Iowa, where she lost that key vote. She knew she had to reach out to secure what she had and amplify that base with younger women. She was smart enough to know she had to do that and did it quickly and efficiently.

[Clark2008]

14. I think you have a point there.

I really don't like all of HRC's triangulations, but, I admit, it would be nice for my 7-month-old daughter to start her life with a woman as president.

[sunonmars]

6. You know what i think

I think there was so much tinkering in Iowa with voters moving around under directions from campaigns and interference from people and a candidate telling people to put certain others as second choices that when you do caucuses like Iowa, it does cause a certain skew of % votes. Nh was possibly the real deal vote, a straight primary. Maybe Iowa was the anomally.

Theres many things about NH that were clear, women voters went hugely for Clinton and she scored best in
the 20 to 30 age range. So the age thing was not all Obama's. The other major break was that democrats said by a wide margin, policy and experience outweighed likeability. There is also the 3% of voters who were non white women and they also went by over 50% to Clinton. What does this say about Obama?

Pretty interesting data that has many people scratching their heads.

[dmallind]

8. Spot on

This is a VOTE - not an in public hectored popularity contest.

[redqueen]

10. I think that's MUCH more likely

than any "sympathy vote" theory.

[Barack_America]

11. Or could it be that women just can't be generalized?

Is it possible that women in different parts of this country tend to feel differently? Or is that asking too much of the "lesser sex"?

Listen women didn't vote for Hillary in Iowa because, in general, people in the midwest just don't like her. Nothing changed. The way women vote in Iowa simply tells you nothing about what women in NH think of her.

Maybe it was because she wore that pink scarf yesterday. That probably won a lot of women over :eyes:

[Perky]

13. Possibly but that suggest she will not play well in the south

[Barack_America]

17. Yes, I predict that she will not play well in the South.

I predict that Obama will take SC and probably NV (we'll see what these new union endorsements for Obama mean)

[Rosa Luxemburg]

15. I think her campaign was more organized in NH

[JackORoses]

16. Hill knows all there is to know about the Crying Game

the Crying Game

[stray cat]

18. Back lash against cruel anti-women type attacks on Hillary

[Peregrine Took]

19. Sympathy and nice weather. n/t

[ProSense]

21. Terry McAuliffe

says...

[glowing]

22. I think it was that Obama Girl.. she's the worst damn thing and she was

everywhere the day before election on t.v...

Or because the demographic in NH is that there really aren't that many young people left, and the one's who stay are the hardy type.. that love their guns and hickish ways and won't vote for a scary black man? who knows.. who cares.. its one tiny little state that really sucks... I've never cared for NH.. and was much happier that I grew up in VT.

[Maribelle]

23. Please define what you mean by BREAK

Older women in New Hampshire were solidly behind Hillary since the beginning, not even based on any advertising, robocalls, or mailers.

It was not backlash.

It was not fear.

What you are failing to grasp here is: the intelligence of your typical New Hampshire woman is based on the application of her experiences in dealing with the dynamics of her evolving role.

When "you go girl" was first uttered decades ago, they went. They have roared with the best of their breed. And as this century rolls out, they refuse to rest on their laurels.

[Skwmom]

24. Because the "men are ganging up on poor Hillary" card was played.

You know, the Murdoch press was credited with the - H.C. is in a Panic- and - Yesterday,She’s so Yesterday - front page press. This (along with the H.C. was piled upon in the debate) is now being credited with helping women rush to the polls in defense of H.C. On Morning Joe (I think it was Morning Joe) it was reported that the Clinton team had a long memory and would not forget the treatment (I guess the media has been put on notice – be nice to Hillary or else your future access will be limited – hmm… now who does this remind me of…… anybody? Now the daily kos blog is promoting "hands off of Hillary.." ). Furthermore, they said that people on the left were worried about the relationship between the Clintons and Murdoch but now … well it was inferred - what’s there to worry about. I also heard this compared to the incident in N.Y. where the voters rallied behind the woman candidate who the male candidate had tried to intimidate.

When I saw the headline “Yesterday” on a record I was a bit puzzled. The words to Yesterday go something like – yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away… (hmmm.. you should long for the good old days of Clinton).. oh how I believe in yesterday…. I guess the Murdoch press was failed to realize that such “attacks” would rally the older voters and women voters in New Hampshire.

It’s amazing how these incidents brought the women to the polls for Hillary. It really couldn’t have gone any better if they had planned it.

I read on another post that the Iron My Shirt guys were from a right wing jock station. Oh well, they do say that politics make strange bedfellows. I kind of wonder if the Bush guy (Romney) will tap Jeb Bush as VP and we'll see a Romney-Bush vs Clinton-Edwards battle.


Before someone posts the "Bill Clinton is a political genius" post just let me say that it hardly takes a genius to plan and carryout such a manipulation. All it takes is someone willing to do anything to gain political power. Divide and conquer is a tried and true strategy and a sure fire way to ensure that people will rally around a person just because they put a D or R in front of their name. Republican vs Democrat has worked so far - why not add men vs women, the older generation vs the younger generation, and black vs white to the mix.