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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:28 PM
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If it wasn't for Edwards, neither Obama nor Hillary would be even be using the word "lobbyist"
In an alternative reality, where John Edwards wasn't running for the nomination but Obama and Hillary still were, the only issue argued between them would be over who would win on American Idol.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:29 PM
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1. Or Change, or Populism, Or Iraq, or Corporate Bashing, or Anything
Go John Edwards!
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:30 PM
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2. You've got that right. Edwards is the first out of the gate
every time.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:32 PM
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3. First after Dennis K.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:47 PM
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11. Dennis is not the same person as in 04. Maybe it's the wifey.
He doesn't appeal to me anymore and I just tune him out. Sorry.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:00 PM
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18. They all have their fingers in the Corp. money.
It'a the only way they can afford to run in todays world. Even Edwards.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:32 PM
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4. I heard Clinton on NPR today say the words "This is personal to me"
I think in reference to fighting for the middle class.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:07 PM
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20. I think the consultant that realized how needed those words were
Defintiely earned his paycheck this time.

Concerned about the middle income slob, oh yeah sure!

That's why she is keeping her buddies and sponsors on the health insurance scam SHE CALLS universal - and they probably consider themselves middle class.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:33 PM
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:40 PM
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7. Hey, wait a minute! I'm nice.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:48 PM
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12. I know. I know. There are some very nice Edwards supporters
but there's also this myth- and it is a myth. There have been numerous nasty posts by Edwards supporters- no different really than other candidate supporters here.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:46 PM
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10. Aren't you the same genius who said, prior to the 2006 midterms,
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 02:48 PM by brentspeak
that it would be better for the Democrats to lose and remain the minority?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:50 PM
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14. Fuck no! I'm the opposite of that kind of mentality.
Where the hell do you get off asking that kind of "question"? Anyone familiar with my posts knows I'd be the last person here to say that kind of idiotic thing.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:49 PM
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13. Jeepers
I used to like to read your posts, but you're getting kinda angry. And not the good kind of angry but the ugly, petty kind.

Your guy is on top, lighten up.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:52 PM
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15. LOL!
The OP is complete asshattery and I pointed it out. Don't like it? Sorry about that, but it's one too many for me. You might consider telling some of the people actually post ugly threads to lighten up. That's something I'm not doing.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:40 PM
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6. Lobbyists? What are lobbyists?
I see a video of Barack and Hillary looking under furniture, opening drawers, saying "Nope, no lobbyists here." (Kind of like the video Bush did with the WMDs in Iraq.)

And you're right, we'd never hear anything about it from either of them. It's business as usual in Washington for Barack and Hillary, the status quo is good enough for them. They don't need no stinkin' change.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:42 PM
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8. Hell no. They don't want anyone looking at THAT! If Edwards hadn't brought it up...
...it would be just a dirtpile under the rug of the national conversation. They'd LIKE it to stay there but Edwards lifted up the rug.

DARN him! :sarcasm:
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:46 PM
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9. If it wasn't for Nader, neither Obama nor Hillary nor Edwards
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 02:56 PM by GreenArrow
would be even be using the word "lobbyist." In an alternative reality, where Ralph Nader wasn't running for the nomination but Obama, Edwards and Hillary still were, the only issue argued between them would be over who would win on American Idol.

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:53 PM
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16. Can we have Simon moderate a debate? That would be awesome!
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:55 PM
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17. really?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:02 PM
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19. Edwards ripped it off of Kucinich.
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 03:03 PM by Bornaginhooligan
Now Kucinich says to vote for Obama.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:12 PM
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21. Its like a time delay thing
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 03:12 PM by grantcart
Its like watching live football game with the radio on. You hear the play on the radio and a few seonds later the play shows up on the TV.

Edwards says something and a few minutes later OBama is on the subject. A day later Clinton is an expert on it.

Wish John could do that for my lottery tickets.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:15 PM
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22. Feingold-Obama Lobbying and Ethics Reform Act

The Feingold-Obama bill improves on S. 2349, the lobbying disclosure and ethics bill that the Senate passed in March 2006 and that will be considered by the Senate beginning on January 8. Our goal is to restore the public’s faith that Congress places its interest ahead of special interests.

Banning Lobbyists’ Gifts and Curbing Privately Funded Travel

* Prohibits lobbyists and organizations that retain or employ lobbyists from giving gifts to Members or staff. Includes exceptions for family members and personal friends, campaign contributions, informational materials, etc.
* Requires Members and campaigns to reimburse for the use of corporate jets at the charter rate rather than at first class airfare as is now required. Also requires disclosure of itinerary, purpose, and identity of others who were on the plane for any such trips.
* Includes new travel rules just adopted by the House of Representatives that would limit privately funded travel to one-day events with minimal lobbyist involvement. Only organizations that do not employ or retain lobbyists could pay for multi-day, educational trips. Pre-approval by the Ethics Committee for all privately funded travel is required.
* Prohibits lobbyists and entities that retain or employ lobbyists from throwing lavish parties honoring members at the party conventions.

Improving Enforcement of the Rules

* Includes the Lieberman-Collins proposal for an Office of Public Integrity to carry out independent investigations of ethics complaints.

Slowing the Revolving Door

* Increases cooling-off period for executive and legislative branch employees from one to two years. Former Members and very senior executive branch officials (cabinet members, heads of agencies) will be prohibited from engaging in lobbying activities as well as lobbying contacts for that period. This will prevent a former Member from supervising or designing a lobbying campaign while avoiding any direct contact with Members or staff.
* Former senior congressional staff will be restricted from making lobbying contacts to the entire house of Congress they worked for rather than just the employing office as under current law.
* Requires lobbyists to disclose on their lobbying registrations any previous employment with the executive or legislative branch, rather than only such employment within two years prior to acting as a lobbyist.
* Prohibits Members from engaging in negotiations for future employment as a lobbyist. Requires senior staff to disclose such negotiations for any future employment to the Ethics Committee and obtain guidance on avoiding possible conflicts of interest.
* Provides that any benefit available equally and only to all former members of the Senate shall not be available to former Senators who are registered lobbyists (e.g., floor privileges, gym membership).
* Prohibits the staff of a Senator from having any official contact with that Senator’s spouse or family members.

Improving Lobbying Disclosure

* Requires lobbying disclosure reports to be filed quarterly rather than semi-annually, and requires electronic filing and Internet searchable databases to improve public accessibility.
* Requires disclosure of the earmarks that lobbyists have sought for their clients.
* Requires disclosure of grassroots lobbying expenditures.
* Requires disclosure of members of lobbying coalitions.
* Requires lobbyists to disclose political contributions they make or collect, fundraisers they hold, and donations to presidential libraries, inaugural committees, and charities associated with Members of Congress.
* Requires recipients of federal funds to disclose the lobbyists they have hired to advocate for those funds.
* Requires electronic filing of Senate campaign reports.

Strengthening Open Government in the Senate

* Eliminates secret holds.
* Requires conference reports to be available on the Internet for Senators and the public at least 48 hours prior to their being considered in the Senate.
* Prohibits “dead of night” changes to conference reports after signatures of conferees have been obtained.
* Provides a point of order against “out of scope matters” in a conference report that were in neither House or Senate versions of a bill. 60 votes are required to waive this point of order.


http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/issues_ethicsfacts.html
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:18 PM
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24. Please post this as an OP and add the
information about the legislation Obama worked on in Illinois. He actually did something about lobbying and ethics reform.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:22 PM
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25. Obama: Ethics and Lobbying Reform
Ethics and Lobbying Reform


Throughout his political career, Barack Obama has fought for open and honest government. As an Illinois State Senator, he helped pass the state’s first major ethics reform bill in 25 years. And as a U.S. Senator, he has spearheaded the effort to clean up Washington in the wake of numerous scandals.

In the first two weeks of the 110th Congress, Senator Obama helped lead the Senate to pass the Legislative Transparency and Accountability Act, a comprehensive ethics and lobbying reform bill, by a 96-2 vote. This landmark bill was signed into law by the President in September 2007.

The final bill that the Congress passed closely mirrored and drew key provisions in a bill (S. 230) that Senators Obama and Feingold introduced in January 2007 to establish a “gold standard” for reform. Among the provisions in the Obama-Feingold bill that were adopted by the Senate and the House were: strict bans on receiving gifts and meals from lobbyists; new rules to slow the revolving door between public and private sector service; and an end to the subsidized use of corporate jets.

Most importantly, the final reform bill contained a provision pushed by Senator Obama to require the disclosure of contributions that registered lobbyists “bundle” – that is, collect or arrange – for candidates, leadership PACs, and party committees. The New York Times called this provision “the most sweeping” in the bill, and the Washington Post said: “No single change would add more to public understanding of how money really operates in Washington.”

In January 2006, Senator Obama laid the groundwork for the reform package that the Senate eventually adopted a year later. He started building a coalition for reform by helping to author the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act introduced with 41 Democratic sponsors. The bill proposed lengthening the cooling off period to two years for lawmakers who seek to become lobbyists and requiring immediate disclosure as soon as public servants initiate any job negotiations to become lobbyists. The bill would have opened conference committee meetings to the public and required that all bills be posted on the Internet for 24 hours before they can be voted on by the Senate. Finally, the bill would have ended all lobbyist-funded gifts, meals, and travel and strengthened the Senate office that monitors lobbyist disclosure forms. All of these provisions were incorporated in either identical or similar form into the final bill passed in 2007.

In addition, Senator Obama sponsored three other ethics-related bills in the 109th Congress that went even further on ethics, earmarks, and legislative transparency. By the time of the 110th Congress, his ideas for reform had gained support, and many of his proposals were passed by the Senate.

* The Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission Act

The bill would create an outside ethics commission to receive complaints from the public on alleged ethics violations by members of Congress, staff, and lobbyists. The commission would have the authority to investigate complaints and present public findings of fact about possible violations to the House and Senate Ethics Committee and Justice Department. By taking the initial fact finding out of the hands of members of Congress, who are often reluctant to investigate their colleagues, the bill ensures prompt and fair disposition of public complaints.

To avoid manipulation of the commission for political purposes, any person filing a complaint that they knew to be false would be subject to a fine and/or imprisonment. No complaints could be filed against a member of Congress for 30 days before a primary election and 60 days before a general election.

The bill was widely endorsed by reform groups. According to Common Cause: "his legislation would do more to reform ethics and lobbying than any other piece of legislation introduced thus far because it goes to the heart of the problem: enforcement." Public Citizen praised Senator Obama "for having the courage to challenge the business-as-usual environment on Capitol Hill and introduce far-reaching legislation." Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington stated: "This is the first bill that deals seriously with the lack of oversight and enforcement in the existing congressional ethics process. . . . This bill will help restore Americans' confidence in the integrity of Congress.

* The Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act

This bill would shed light on the almost 16,000 earmarks that were included in spending bills in 2005. Under the bill, all earmarks, including the name of the requestor and a justification for the earmark, would have to be disclosed 72 hours before they could be considered by the full Senate. Senators would be prohibited from advocating for an earmark if they have a financial interest in the project or earmark recipient. And, earmark recipients would have to disclose to an Office of Public Integrity the amount that they have spent on registered lobbyists and the names of those lobbyists.

* The Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act (The CLEAN UP Act)

This bill aims to improve public access to information about all legislation, including conference reports and appropriations legislation, in particular after hurried, end-of-session negotiations. Conference committee meetings and deliberations would have to be open to the public or televised, and conference reports would have to identify changes made to the bill from the House and Senate versions. Finally, no bill could be considered by the full Senate unless the measure has been made available to all Senators and the general public on the Internet for at least 72 hours.


http://obama.senate.gov/issues/ethics_and_lobbying_reform/

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debatepro Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:16 PM
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23. Obama Introduces CLEAN UP Act ...
http://obama.senate.gov/press/060123-obama_introduce_4/

Obama Introduces CLEAN UP Act to Increase Transparency in Government, Decrease Lobbyists' Influence

WASHINGTON - In the wake of a series of scandals that have shaken the American people's faith in Congress, U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) has introduced the Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act (CLEAN UP Act) to increase transparency in government and decrease the influence of lobbyists in the legislative process.

Obama said that the actions of lobbyist Jack Abramoff - who has been accused of embezzling millions of dollars from Native American tribes and bribing lawmakers in return for special favors - have made it clear that we need to shed a bright light on the relationship between lobbyists and lawmakers in Washington.


Good thing Obama followed Edwards lead in 2005! I don't think so.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:30 PM
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26. Where is Edwards' legislative record on lobbyists and ethics reform?
Surely there must be one :shrug:
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:32 PM
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27. Exactly right
:hi:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:36 AM
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28. And if it wasn't for Kucinich, Edwards wouldn't be either n/t
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