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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:17 AM
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Thinking back to what grandma told me (Obama related).
My grandmother was a very strong Irish Catholic Democrat. Her family had emigrated here only a generation before and quickly became political here in Utah. My grandma also lived during the Great Depression and she was never afraid to talk about the trying times America faced in that era.

One quote, however, has stuck with me for a very long time. I remember asking her, shortly after I started my American History class in high school, why she and her family supported FDR. She had told me that the family was so poor that her mother's sister sold her house and moved in with the family to help make ends meet. My great grandfather ran a drug store on the western side of Salt Lake City, back then heavily influenced by the Greeks and Italians. The family, like much of Utah, took a big hit and were thirsting for hope. My grandma still recalls Hoover promising a chicken in every pot. Except there was no chicken in the final year of Hoover's administration, in fact, the family had little food and even less money. Then Roosevelt came and offered hope. He talked a big talk and my family devoured every bit of that hope.

It was that hope, my grandma said, that helped the family through the worst of worst. They didn't know if Roosevelt would live up to his own words, but at that time they didn't care. See, the nation just wanted something to hope for again and that's what Roosevelt was selling. In the 1932 election, 52% of Utah voted for Roosevelt and he was swept into office in what would be one of the biggest electoral landslides in election history. My great grandparents proudly voted for him and I again asked my grandma why they had chosen that vote. She looked at me and said that her entire family saw something historical emerging on the political horizon and they weren't about to be a roadblock to history. They didn't want to look back 20 or 30 years and regret that they weren't apart of history. That their historical vote went for the other guy. It's funny, because she said that when JFK ran, he offered the same hope and optimism as Roosevelt. When my grandmother pulled the lever for Kennedy in 1960, she imagined that her certainty for a prosperous future was the same as her own mother's when she voted for Roosevelt nearly 30 years prior.

What we are seeing today is history. We can send a message to the entire country that hope and optimism will once again ring out through this great land. I'm not asking you to support Obama in the primaries, but when the general election is here, ask yourself, are you going to be a roadblock to history? To those who are unyielding in their utter contempt for Obama, do you want to tell future generations that you had a chance to make history, but you opted for the other guy instead? My grandmother took great pride in her vote for Kennedy, because it was so historic. Her mother, too, took great pride in her vote for Roosevelt. If Obama is lucky enough to win the Democratic Primary, I will enter that voting booth on November 4th knowing that my vote will go toward history. And I hope that 40 years from today, I will be discussing the importance of this election with my grandkids, just like my grandmother discussed the 1932 and 1960 elections with me.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:24 AM
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1. K&R
My mom (who is an Edwards supporter) said she was watching Obama's victory speech the other day and she said Obama reminded her of RFK.

I just can't help thinking about all the people who have fought and died for the last 300 years so that we could have a country where a black man can be elected PRESIDENT! :woohoo:
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:25 AM
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2. While I support Obama...
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 02:26 AM by regnaD kciN
...I'd say that the "I don't want to be a roadblock to history" rationale doesn't strike me as very sensible, seeming little more than the sort of "get on the bandwagon!" mentality that all-too-often substitutes for rational thought and courageous position-taking in the American political environment.

I would say that, if a candidate supports the same positions as you, vote for them. If you think they could be an inspiring leader who would take the country in the right direction, vote for them. But don't vote for someone just because you want to be "a part of history." That's the sort of thinking that, IMHO, more often than not leads to "buyer's remorse" down the road.

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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:29 AM
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3. While I respect your point, I'm not saying that.
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 02:30 AM by Drunken Irishman
That's why I believe people should vote for whomever they want in the primary. If that isn't Obama, so be it, we'll try again some other day. But if it is Obama and people here feel they can't support him, I do believe they should look at the ramifications and historical impact his winning will have on this country.

And I'm not just talking about the color of his skin, either. I'm talking about his ideals, the fact he seems to beholden to the fabric of optimism and hope instead of fear and distress. Many people voted for Roosevelt because he offered hope in the darkest of times and many voted for Kennedy because he, too, offered an optimism that was hard to deny. I guess what I'm saying is that for those who feel Obama talks the good talk but hasn't proven he walks the good walk, it doesn't necessarily mean his rhetoric won't be any less important or historical.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:31 AM
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4. "A roadblock to history"? What flaming bloody nerve.
I expect you're right. They'll buy HOPE and sweep him in on his pretty optimism. I'm sure they will. But it doesn't give me a clue how that man will manage what's about to happen in this country.

I'll still vote the way I choose. Because I don't like to be part of a MOB. I don't like to be part of a CULT. And inevitability (a GOOD thing when it's Obama) doesn't impress me at all. I'm just not religious enough to worship the latest Messiah.

How dare you insist we all be lemmings together.

You really want to trust your country to the first one who uttered the cheapest, easiest word? Of course you do.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:35 AM
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5. Then so be it.
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 02:38 AM by Drunken Irishman
I'm not demanding you vote for Obama in the general election, just saying that it would be a big mistake if you did not. Just as it would be a mistake if you didn't vote for Clinton or Edwards. However, we have a chance to make history and it's sad that some people can't look beyond their bitter political grudges to eventually vote for a man that at least offers some hope of change. If Obama fails, then he will have a place in history next to the other failures. However, if he succeeds and your vote was against the man who offered great change, then yes, you are a roadblock to history. Just as the people who voted for Hoover and Nixon were.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:11 AM
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10. Aquart is a born iconoclast...
...whenever I talk up the candidate of my choice, he seems eager to call Obama a demagogue and me a sucker.

I would be a sucker if I believed Obama was without sin or weakness, which he isn't. I also feel all 3 of the leading candidates are fairly strong. But Edwards' and Hillary's strengths aren't as strong as Obama's and their mistakes have been far more severe. Hillary simply cannot get enough people to like her, and Edwards--what the hell was Edwards thinking, co-sponsoring a Lieberman Iraq War resolution in 2002 and then loudly defending his decision to us liberal doubters? I don't care if he's moved progressively leftwards since 2004; he hasn't been in office, and can afford that luxury.

No, Obama just plain excites me--if nothing else, surely you can agree that his election might attract a whole generation of born outsiders with unlikely or unusual backgrounds to say--"Hey, why not me?"
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:40 AM
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6. I appreciate your story very much...
well written and very good points made! Cheers!

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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:50 AM
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7. Thank you for sharing your family's story tonight. n/t
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:31 AM
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8. Your conclusions don't fit the facts.
FDR was the Dem nominee in the middle of a catastrophic depression, running against many years of republican failed policies. ANYBODY (any democrat candidate) automatically represented hope when running against Hoover's administration. If Obama gets the nomination, THEN your comparison would make sense. But it would make sense regardless of who that nominee is; any and all of them represent hope.

BTW, FDR is not remembered for the hope he gave in 1932 but for the passion and competence and good-heartedness and intelligence of his administration. His experience, in other words.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:56 AM
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9. O'Bama? This Irish-American thinks your button is cute.
Thanks for the optimistic and cheerful post. Ignore the outrageously grumpy replies.

Hekate

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