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I was just saying... Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:41 PM
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Obama just revealed his naivete about how Washington works
Obama's talking about 'words' inspiring Americans and then presto, change will happen.

Seventy percent of the American people want out of Iraq - we're still there. A majority
of Americans favor global warming initiatives - Bush opted out of the Kyoto accords.

Our system of governing is representational democracy - not direct democracy.

So I 'hope' those people thinking that just because Obama says words matter that they differentiate
between nice poetic verbiage and reality.

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:43 PM
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1. Were you around during JFK? I was. Obama is correct. NT
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:52 PM
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10. I wasn't.
I'm kind of glad. That entire decade would have broken my heart, particularly given what came before.

What were Jack and Bobby like?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:03 PM
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18. It's hard to express. I was 14 when Kennedy was assassinated, and I remember
it like it was yesterday. My parents worked on Kennedy's campaign in San Francisco (my home town).

I remember the feeling in the country like we could do anything. Maybe I was just too young or naive to know anything else, but it seemed like everyone loved the President, Jackie, Caroline and John-John.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:10 PM
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20. It wasn't the leaders who initiated the change; it was the people who demanded their rights and were
not willing to be denied. Ask Rep. John Lewis, who got beaten at Selma. There is an old community organizer's saying that a Leader is someone who sees a parade and gets in front of it.

Words have their place, leaders have their place, inspiration has its place but without that resolve in the bellies of the dispossessed nothing happens.

No leader can can put that resolve there. He or she can build on it and can reinforce it but without the determination of the people to suffer the ultimate for overcoming evil nothing happens.

Without black people on the move in the 1960s, the rest of America would have watched, applauded the speeches, shook their heads , and turned away.

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:13 AM
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42. I agree nt
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:09 PM
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19. We had Thurgood Marshall on the Supreme Court.
We had LBJ as VP. It took a lot of good people in D.C. plus the civil rights demonstrations and sit ins just to get Civil Rights legislation enacted. Today our Congress is full of Feinsteins and Reids and Pelosis, and they are just delighted with themselves when they raise the minimum wage to about half what it should be.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:14 PM
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Reminds me of the old Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times."
I have hope (there's that word one more time) that we'll see the likes of those people again.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:58 PM
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46. Thurgood Marshall wasn't on the Supreme Court then
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:43 PM
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2. I get it....
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:49 PM
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8. What is that?
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:44 PM
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3. Not at all
One of the most effective ways to force change in Washington is by inspiring the American people. One example - LBJ's speech to Congress on the Voting Rights Act.

Words DO matter, especially when they come from the bully pulpit of the presidency.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:59 PM
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16. Words have their place but the the people who used the techniques of nonviolence and were willing
to get their heads bashed in and worse without responding in kind, were, I believe , the real movers of that time and that legislation.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:18 PM
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23. It took both
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 11:19 PM by EffieBlack
Yes, the civil rights movement was the primary reason for the passing of that legislation. But the legislation would never have passed had LBJ not helped push the ball over goal line when he stood up and told Congress and a national audience that the time to pass the Voting Rights Act was NOW. LBJ's speech showed just how important "words" can be in politics. Were it not for LBJ's eloquent and forceful speech that night, there's no telling how much longer it would have taken for the Voting Rights Act to become law.

I speak tonight for the dignity of man and the destiny of Democracy. I urge every member of both parties, Americans of all religions and of all colors, from every section of this country, to join me in that cause.

At times, history and fate meet at a single time in a single place to shape a turning point in man's unending search for freedom. So it was at Lexington and Concord. So it was a century ago at Appomattox. So it was last week in Selma, Alabama. There, long suffering men and women peacefully protested the denial of their rights as Americans. Many of them were brutally assaulted. One good man--a man of God--was killed.

There is no cause for pride in what has happened in Selma. There is no cause for self-satisfaction in the long denial of equal rights of millions of Americans. But there is cause for hope and for faith in our Democracy in what is happening here tonight. For the cries of pain and the hymns and protests of oppressed people have summoned into convocation all the majesty of this great government--the government of the greatest nation on earth. Our mission is at once the oldest and the most basic of this country--to right wrong, to do justice, to serve man. In our time we have come to live with the moments of great crises. Our lives have been marked with debate about great issues, issues of war and peace, issues of prosperity and depression.

But rarely in any time does an issue lay bare the secret heart of America itself. Rarely are we met with a challenge, not to our growth or abundance, or our welfare or our security, but rather to the values and the purposes and the meaning of our beloved nation. The issue of equal rights for American Negroes is such an issue. And should we defeat every enemy, and should we double our wealth and conquer the stars, and still be unequal to this issue, then we will have failed as a people and as a nation. For, with a country as with a person, "what is a man profited if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

There is no Negro problem. There is no Southern problem. There is no Northern problem. There is only an American problem.

And we are met here tonight as Americans--not as Democrats or Republicans; we're met here as Americans to solve that problem. This was the first nation in the history of the world to be founded with a purpose.

The great phrases of that purpose still sound in every American heart, North and South: "All men are created equal." "Government by consent of the governed." "Give me liberty or give me death." And those are not just clever words, and those are not just empty theories. In their name Americans have fought and died for two centuries and tonight around the world they stand there as guardians of our liberty risking their lives. Those words are promised to every citizen that he shall share in the dignity of man. This dignity cannot be found in a man's possessions. It cannot be found in his power or in his position. It really rests on his right to be treated as a man equal in opportunity to all others. It says that he shall share in freedom. He shall choose his leaders, educate his children, provide for his family according to his ability and his merits as a human being.

To apply any other test, to deny a man his hopes because of his color or race or his religion or the place of his birth is not only to do injustice, it is to deny Americans and to dishonor the dead who gave their lives for American freedom. Our fathers believed that if this noble view of the rights of man was to flourish it must be rooted in democracy. This most basic right of all was the right to choose your own leaders. The history of this country in large measure is the history of expansion of the right to all of our people.

Many of the issues of civil rights are very complex and most difficult. But about this there can and should be no argument: every American citizen must have an equal right to vote. There is no reason which can excuse the denial of that right. There is no duty which weighs more heavily on us than the duty we have to insure that right. Yet the harsh fact is that in many places in this country men and women are kept from voting simply because they are Negroes.

Every device of which human ingenuity is capable, has been used to deny this right. The Negro citizen may go to register only to be told that the day is wrong, or the hour is late, or the official in charge is absent. And if he persists and, if he manages to present himself to the registrar, he may be disqualified because he did not spell out his middle name, or because he abbreviated a word on the application. And if he manages to fill out an application, he is given a test. The registrar is the sole judge of whether he passes this test. He may be asked to recite the entire Constitution, or explain the most complex provisions of state law.

And even a college degree cannot be used to prove that he can read and write. For the fact is that the only way to pass these barriers is to show a white skin. Experience has clearly shown that the existing process of law cannot overcome systematic and ingenious discrimination. No law that we now have on the books, and I have helped to put three of them there, can insure the right to vote when local officials are determined to deny it. In such a case, our duty must be clear to all of us. The Constitution says that no person shall be kept from voting because of his race or his color.

We have all sworn an oath before God to support and to defend that Constitution. We must now act in obedience to that oath. Wednesday, I will send to Congress a law designed to eliminate illegal barriers to the right to vote. The broad principles of that bill will be in the hands of the Democratic and Republican leaders tomorrow. After they have reviewed it, it will come here formally as a bill. I am grateful for this opportunity to come here tonight at the invitation of the leadership to reason with my friends, to give them my views and to visit with my former colleagues.

I have had prepared a more comprehensive analysis of the legislation which I had intended to transmit to the clerk tomorrow, but which I will submit to the clerks tonight. But I want to really discuss the main proposals of this legislation. This bill will strike down restrictions to voting in all elections, federal, state and local, which have been used to deny Negroes the right to vote.

This bill will establish a simple, uniform standard which cannot be used, however ingenious the effort, to flout our Constitution. It will provide for citizens to be registered by officials of the United States Government, if the state officials refuse to register them. It will eliminate tedious, unnecessary lawsuits which delay the right to vote. Finally, this legislation will insure that properly registered individuals are not prohibited from voting. I will welcome the suggestions from all the members of Congress--I have no doubt that I will get some--on ways and means to strengthen this law and to make it effective.

But experience has plainly shown that this is the only path to carry out the command of the Constitution. To those who seek to avoid action by their national government in their home communities, who want to and who seek to maintain purely local control over elections, the answer is simple: open your polling places to all your people. Allow men and women to register and vote whatever the color of their skin. Extend the rights of citizenship to every citizen of this land. There is no Constitutional issue here. The command of the Constitution is plain. There is no moral issue. It is wrong--deadly wrong--to deny any of your fellow Americans the right to vote in this country.

There is no issue of state's rights or national rights. There is only the struggle for human rights. I have not the slightest doubt what will be your answer. But the last time a President sent a civil rights bill to the Congress it contained a provision to protect voting rights in Federal elections. That civil rights bill was passed after eight long months of debate. And when that bill came to my desk from the Congress for signature, the heart of the voting provision had been eliminated.

This time, on this issue, there must be no delay, or no hesitation, or no compromise with our purpose. We cannot, we must not, refuse to protect the right of every American to vote in every election that he may desire to participate in.

And we ought not, and we cannot, and we must not wait another eight months before we get a bill. We have already waited 100 years and more and the time for waiting is gone. So I ask you to join me in working long hours and nights and weekends, if necessary, to pass this bill. And I don't make that request lightly, for, from the window where I sit, with the problems of our country, I recognize that from outside this chamber is the outraged conscience of a nation, the grave concern of many nations and the harsh judgment of history on our acts.

But even if we pass this bill the battle will not be over. What happened in Selma is part of a far larger movement which reaches into every section and state of America. It is the effort of American Negroes to secure for themselves the full blessings of American life. Their cause must be our cause too. Because it's not just Negroes, but really it's all of us, who must overcome the crippling legacy of bigotry and injustice.

And we shall overcome.

As a man whose roots go deeply into Southern soil, I know how agonizing racial feelings are. I know how difficult it is to reshape the attitudes and the structure of our society. But a century has passed--more than 100 years--since the Negro was freed. And he is not fully free tonight. It was more than 100 years ago that Abraham Lincoln--a great President of another party--signed the Emancipation Proclamation. But emancipation is a proclamation and not a fact.

A century has passed--more than 100 years--since equality was promised, and yet the Negro is not equal. A century has passed since the day of promise, and the promise is unkept. The time of justice has now come, and I tell you that I believe sincerely that no force can hold it back. It is right in the eyes of man and God that it should come, and when it does, I think that day will brighten the lives of every American. For Negroes are not the only victims. How many white children have gone uneducated? How many white families have lived in stark poverty? How many white lives have been scarred by fear, because we wasted energy and our substance to maintain the barriers of hatred and terror?

And so I say to all of you here and to all in the nation tonight that those who appeal to you to hold on to the past do so at the cost of denying you your future. This great rich, restless country can offer opportunity and education and hope to all--all, black and white, North and South, sharecropper and city dweller. These are the enemies: poverty, ignorance, disease. They are our enemies, not our fellow man, not our neighbor.

And these enemies too--poverty, disease and ignorance--we shall overcome.

Now let none of us in any section look with prideful righteousness on the troubles in another section or the problems of our neighbors. There is really no part of America where the promise of equality has been fully kept. In Buffalo as well as in Birmingham, in Philadelphia as well as Selma, Americans are struggling for the fruits of freedom.

This is one nation. What happens in Selma and Cincinnati is a matter of legitimate concern to every American. But let each of us look within our own hearts and our own communities and let each of us put our shoulder to the wheel to root out injustice wherever it exists. As we meet here in this peaceful historic chamber tonight, men from the South, some of whom were at Iwo Jima, men from the North who have carried Old Glory to the far corners of the world and who brought it back without a stain on it, men from the east and from the west are all fighting together without regard to religion or color or region in Vietnam.

Men from every region fought for us across the world 20 years ago. And now in these common dangers, in these common sacrifices, the South made its contribution of honor and gallantry no less than any other region in the great republic.

And in some instances, a great many of them, more. And I have not the slightest doubt that good men from everywhere in this country, from the Great Lakes to the Gulf of Mexico, from the Golden Gate to the harbors along the Atlantic, will rally now together in this cause to vindicate the freedom of all Americans. For all of us owe this duty and I believe that all of us will respond to it.

Your president makes that request of every American.

The real hero of this struggle is the American Negro. His actions and protests, his courage to risk safety, and even to risk his life, have awakened the conscience of this nation. His demonstrations have been designed to call attention to injustice, designed to provoke change; designed to stir reform. He has been called upon to make good the promise of America.

And who among us can say that we would have made the same progress were it not for his persistent bravery and his faith in American democracy? For at the real heart of the battle for equality is a deep-seated belief in the democratic process. Equality depends, not on the force of arms or tear gas, but depends upon the force of moral right--not on recourse to violence, but on respect for law and order.

There have been many pressures upon your President and there will be others as the days come and go. But I pledge to you tonight that we intend to fight this battle where it should be fought--in the courts, and in the Congress, and the hearts of men. We must preserve the right of free speech and the right of free assembly. But the right of free speech does not carry with it--as has been said--the right to holler fire in a crowded theatre.

We must preserve the right to free assembly. But free assembly does not carry with it the right to block public thoroughfares to traffic. We do have a right to protest. And a right to march under conditions that do not infringe the Constitutional rights of our neighbors. And I intend to protect all those rights as long as I am permitted to serve in this office.

We will guard against violence, knowing it strikes from our hands the very weapons which we seek--progress, obedience to law, and belief in American values. In Selma, as elsewhere, we seek and pray for peace. We seek order, we seek unity, but we will not accept the peace of stifled rights or the order imposed by fear, or the unity that stifles protest--for peace cannot be purchased at the cost of liberty.

In Selma tonight--and we had a good day there--as in every city we are working for a just and peaceful settlement. We must all remember after this speech I'm making tonight, after the police and the F.B.I. and the Marshals have all gone, and after you have promptly passed this bill, the people of Selma and the other cities of the nation must still live and work together.

And when the attention of the nation has gone elsewhere they must try to heal the wounds and to build a new community. This cannot be easily done on a battleground of violence as the history of the South itself shows. It is in recognition of this that men of both races have shown such an outstandingly impressive responsibility in recent days--last Tuesday and again today.

The bill I am presenting to you will be known as a civil rights bill. But in a larger sense, most of the program I am recommending is a civil rights program. Its object is to open the city of hope to all people of all races, because all Americans just must have the right to vote, and we are going to give them that right.

All Americans must have the privileges of citizenship, regardless of race, and they are going to have those privileges of citizenship regardless of race.

But I would like to caution you and remind you that to exercise these privileges takes much more than just legal rights. It requires a trained mind and a healthy body. It requires a decent home and the chance to find a job and the opportunity to escape from the clutches of poverty.

Of course people cannot contribute to the nation if they are never taught to read or write; if their bodies are stunted from hunger; if their sickness goes untended; if their life is spent in hopeless poverty, just drawing a welfare check.

So we want to open the gates to opportunity. But we're also going to give all our people, black and white, the help that they need to walk through those gates. My first job after college was as a teacher in Cotulla, Texas, in a small Mexican-American school. Few of them could speak English and I couldn't speak much Spanish. My students were poor and they often came to class without breakfast and hungry. And they knew even in their youth the pain of prejudice. They never seemed to know why people disliked them, but they knew it was so because I saw it in their eyes.

I often walked home late in the afternoon after the classes were finished wishing there was more that I could do. But all I knew was to teach them the little that I knew, hoping that I might help them against the hardships that lay ahead. And somehow you never forget what poverty and hatred can do when you see its scars on the hopeful face of a young child.

I never thought then, in 1928, that I would be standing here in 1965. It never even occurred to me in my fondest dreams that I might have the chance to help the sons and daughters of those students, and to help people like them all over this country. But now I do have that chance.

And I'll let you in on a secret--I mean to use it. And I hope that you will use it with me.

This is the richest, most powerful country which ever occupied this globe. The might of past empires is little compared to ours. But I do not want to be the president who built empires, or sought grandeur, or extended dominion.

I want to be the president who educated young children to the wonders of their world. I want to be the President who helped to feed the hungry and to prepare them to be taxpayers instead of tax eaters. I want to be the President who helped the poor to find their own way and who protected the right of every citizen to vote in every election. I want to be the President who helped to end hatred among his fellow men and who promoted love among the people of all races, all regions and all parties. I want to be the President who helped to end war among the brothers of this earth.

And so, at the request of your beloved Speaker and the Senator from Montana, the Majority Leader, the Senator from Illinois, the Minority Leader, Mr. McCullock and other members of both parties, I came here tonight, not as President Roosevelt came down one time in person to veto a bonus bill; not as President Truman came down one time to urge passage of a railroad bill, but I came down here to ask you to share this task with me. And to share it with the people that we both work for.

I want this to be the Congress--Republicans and Democrats alike--which did all these things for all these people. Beyond this great chamber--out yonder--in fifty states are the people that we serve. Who can tell what deep and unspoken hopes are in their hearts tonight as they sit there and listen? We all can guess, from our own lives, how difficult they often find their own pursuit of happiness, how many problems each little family has. They look most of all to themselves for their future, but I think that they also look to each of us.

Above the pyramid on the Great Seal of the United States it says in latin, "God has favored our undertaking." God will not favor everything that we do. It is rather our duty to divine His will. But I cannot help but believe that He truly understands and that He really favors the undertaking that we begin here tonight.


President Lyndon Baines Johnson, Speech before a Joint Session of Congress, March 15, 1965
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:26 PM
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24. Ah but he also had the experience and ability to twist the arms of those reps in Congress
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 11:27 PM by terisan
and intimidate and threaten them. He was the long term Congressional dealmaker and we don't have his equal today among any of the leading candidates.

He also said that he knew that what he was demanding would cause the Democratic Party to lose the South for a generation-but did not say that in his speech.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:02 PM
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47. So, write in Harry Reid's name for president
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 02:15 PM by EffieBlack
Seriously - of course inspiring words alone can't do much. But you can never underestimate how empowering it is to to a movement to know that their cause is heard, understood, embraced and set to words at our highest levels of government. It happened in the 60s when JFK (finally), LBJ and RFK so eloquently stated the cause. It happened in the 80s when Reagan put prose to the conservative movement.

Not only can words (backed by action) invigorate a movement, it helps to spread the movement beyond where activists alone can take it since the president has a bully pulpit like no other and can convince people who might not ordinarily listen to support a cause.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:45 PM
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4. inspiration
gets people to vote in large numbers, which gets the senators and congress people into government, which results in change...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:46 PM
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5. A closed mind,
like a closed room, is often stuffy.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:47 PM
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6. Politicians want to keep their jobs
they respond to heat from their constituents. All Presidents have tried to go around Congress and get the people to put pressure on their representatives, but most have failed. If you have a President who can actually do that, you can get a lot done.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:48 PM
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7. No worries...Obama
can manifest what he sets out to do. Maybe some of us want someone who is "naive" about the intricacies of the way the dungeons work in DC.

Enough is Enough..no more status quo.
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:49 PM
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9. I'll be honest: if he didn't have a box strapped to his back under his suit
Then I don't care. No more banging the head against the wall hoping a different result.

Let's try something different.

Let's make something different.

The man knows what he's doing. He's got the organizational and 'we'll build a consensus i respect your views' skills. Have some faith.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:54 PM
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11. I get it too
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:54 PM
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12. You are the naive one, if you think that a democracy isn't about
the people and their inspiration/aspirations.

One can have big ideas, and want to make changes....but if you don't have the constituents in a majority behind you, then nothing you "want" to happen can.

Apathy is the opposite of inspiration......if you can see that Apathy is dangerous.

“The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men”

...is exactly why we are where we are.

When 40% of our population eligible to vote, doesn't....we get what we deserve.

and so..."There can be no transforming of darkness into light and of apathy into movement without emotion”

“The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment.”
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:55 AM
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34. Frenchie....
...you are the single greatest advocate for the candidate of your choice (whether that be Clark or Obama) that I've seen on this or any other board. My only question is, why on earth are you on DU and not on Obama's staff?

Or are you? ;)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:02 PM
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48. Thanks for that....but I have never "worked" for any campaign.....
I just have a big mouth! LOL!

PS. I will be making phone calls for OBama at the Oakland headquarters though..... :thumbsup:

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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:55 PM
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13. "Presto, change will happen"? Quote please?
What a joke. Obama has been saying quite the opposite- that change requires a strong desire, an awareness of the obstacles in the path, and a lot of very hard work.

Nice job of trying to spread a lie, though. Presto, indeed. :eyes:

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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:58 PM
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14. I agree with you...Pelosi can attest to that. There is no working with these people
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:59 PM
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15. Everyone says they want out of Iraq but how many phone calls...
have they made to their representatives? A daily phone call is one of the easiest things we could do but most figure our leaders arent listening so why try. I make infrequent calls but certainly not as many as I should considering how against the war I am. He is dead on so Im not sure he is the one being naive here. When Americans get off their ass about an issue, it usually happens but our problem is the only issues that seem to get us fired up are the ones the media shoves in our face daily.

Look at how many people that were outraged about the Vick dog fighting thing, thats because the news wouldnt let it go. If we have a national voice out there inspiring us, listening to us and showing by actions that they are for us and against the corporations... we would be more willing to make some sacrifice in our busy lives to make change.

UNTIL WE HAVE A VOICE THAT PROVES TO US THAT THEY ARE ON OUR SIDE, OUR COUNTRY WILL NEVER CHANGE DIRECTION.

I don't know if its that you are supporting another candidate and that is why you made that incorrect post but I hope you can come to grips with reality at some point because we the American people, need you too!
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:59 PM
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17. As an Edwards supporter, I will say Obama was right. Words can mobilize people and a mobilized...
...people can mobilize politicians. Remember "social security privatization."
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:13 PM
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21. Something Stinks: Your Post Count & Arrival Date.
So which HQ you blogging from Newbie/Operative???
Took you 7 YEARS to find DU?


Prove my assertion false.
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I was just saying... Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:35 PM
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27. Ha, ha. I'll take this as a compliment and leave it at that (nt).
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 11:42 PM by I was just saying...
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:29 AM
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39. Not so funny once you get that "Skinner Letter"


Do you know YET what "Tomb STONED" means ? Find out. Otherwise see Sig line.
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I was just saying... Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:10 AM
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44. Or can draw a self-portrait of yourself, 20 empty beer cans, a
rifle by your side, cigarettes, a scratched lazy boy, and a 5 day-old beard.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:41 AM
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32. Not to mention buzzwords in it that we've heard time and time
again from the R playbook. Yep, it is smelling a bit ripe in here.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:14 PM
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22. Hey, Rocky!
Watch me pull an OP out of my ass!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:29 PM
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26. ;)
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I was just saying... Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:27 PM
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25.  Wow, its worst than I thought. You are all naive about this post
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 11:32 PM by I was just saying...
Obama is not the only one who doesn't know how things get processed in Washington D.C.

Oh and Obama is no John Kennedy - he's no Bobby Kennedy either. If you would read history
John Kennedy was a 'real' war hero AND won a pulitzer prize. Bobby Kennedy was attorney
general of U.S. and took on the mob big time.

You Obama gushers are something else. Get a grip. Obama has serious flaws not the least
of which is that there is 'no there there'. He is simply naive to think that Washington changes
on a dime. Wishing and hoping doesn't make it happen. Twisting arms and making deals is what makes it happen. And it will remain that way because lobbyists have been around since
the days of Abraham Lincoln.

Besides, America is in a bad way because of George W. Bush and the Republicans who did
his bidding. Obama makes like its all Americans fault that we're in this predicament.
Its not. What it will take to make it right again is strong leadership, not some troubadour with illusions of grandeur.

Obamites are fulfilling Obama's dream, not America's.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:46 PM
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28. Tell it to Ted Sorenson, bub!
Because he's come out of retirement to support Obama -- because this is the first time he's seen the real deal since the Kennedys. And BTW, I was there and was an active supporter of both JFK and RFK as a teenager and young adult, and Obama has the same qualities in abundance.
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I was just saying... Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:50 AM
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29. The qualities I'm referring to are the 'tangibles' not the intangibles
of rhetorical mastery. For example Kennedy's': war hero, pulitzer prize winner, Atty Gen'l U.S., Barack Obama: a book, early childhood overseas, obscure time as IL state senator, 2 years U.S. senator (incidentally no time convening/chairing Senate subcommittee assignment. Obama's tangibles
are underwhelming.

What you have in Obama is someone who knows how to work a crowd AND cherry
pick styles of the great ones such as JFK and Martin Luther King. In other
words, an imitator, more style than 'substance'.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:23 AM
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30. lying by omission is still
lying. One of the reasons I support Obama is because of his strong background. This is a man who graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, and was the first editor of the Law Review there. Upon graduation from Columbia, instead of going straight to law school or to work in some profitable arena, he went to Chicago, to one of the poorest and most underserved neighborhoods in the country and worked for almost 4 years as a community organizer. After law school, when he could have written his ticket in any law firm in the country, he returned to Chicago to continue his work for the disenfranchised as an attorney.

As to his being a war hero, so what? There was no great unifying war during his adult life. A Pulitzer prize? That's nice, but I'll take his years of commitment to the disenfranchised over that any day.

He was a very effective legislator during his years in the Illinois leg. Lots has been posted here about that. Educate yourself. He's been in the U.S. Senate for 3 years. Two of them under repuke control. His record in the Senate is so far a fine one- as far as it goes.

No substance? Forgive me, but that's just silly. In fact, all our candidates have substance. You may not like what's there, but it's so mindless to parrot right wing talking points about how Obama is an empty suit. Really, it's embarrassing to see.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:31 AM
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31. Gosh.
Millions of Americans are being deprived of an opportunity to vote for someone like you, who has perfected insight and vision. And they are stuck with Barack Obama. What a shame.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:37 PM
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49. I know what you're saying and I'm saying you're WRONG on substance.
Their biographies are different, not their substance. Of course, if you believe that resume=substance, I can't help you.
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I was just saying... Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:16 PM
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50. Resumes are the sum of what you've done, they may not
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 09:19 PM by I was just saying...
reflect all of what you're capable of doing but they provide a time-line, for instance, you not
only attended college but you graduated. You not only were a project manager but your team
met objectives and saved the company money.

Clear and concise. Its a requisite document these days. Now many have lied and/or were able to
schmooze their way through, but we've seen what a an empty suit can do, especially if he
actually believed his own hype i.e. George W. Bush.

I just have a feeling that Obama is Mr. Schmooze - a KOS blogger called him honey-tongued -
and to those who can be objective and discern the man versus the message, we just have a
feeling that I've seen this movie before.

Sadly, I get the feeling that this campaign is being reduced to who can provide
immediate gratification, a longing Barack Obama has planted with his 'Audacity of
Hope' book, and is now cultivating into a presidential bid. I think its been a little
too easy - like $100 million dollars too easy.

I don't think he gotten this far without selling something. I'm not a Cassandra but
I am advising all those starry-eyed Obamites, Caveat Emptor - let the buyer beware.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:47 AM
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33. OBAMA HAS ZERO
Experience! He does NOT have command of DC...International..OR Domestic issues..People you need to be realistic. He has so much to learn.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:59 AM
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36. bwahahaha
people know better than that. He has substantial experience. & years in the Illinois legislature is damned straight domestic experience. So is 3 years in the U.S. Senate- and that's foreign policy experience as well. 10 years teaching Con law and 8 years working as a community activist and attorney advocating for the disenfranchised, also add to his resume.

Lies won't work. Particularly really stupid fucking lies- like yours.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:22 AM
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37. He has ZERO!!!
Compared to Hillary..and YOU know it!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:25 AM
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38. No. that's absurd hyperbole. She has greater experience- I'm
not one to discount her WH years- but he has judgment. She's shown a lack of that vital component. He has plenty of experience and judgment and smarts. In fact, he has as much experience as Adlai did.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:40 AM
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40. MY father has GOOD judgement!
Compared to Hillary my dear the years of commitment, dedication, implementing CHANGE and years of sacrifice..Hillary's record speaks VOLUMES over Obama's FACT!
Senator Clinton has traveled to more than 80 countries, building relationships that will enable her to begin to restore America's global standing, beginning on Day 1 of her Presidency.

Hillary Clinton knows how to mix diplomacy and power. She has made clear repeatedly that she believes strongly in diplomacy and that the Bush administration's failure to emphasize it has been terrible for our nation. She has called for direct talks with our adversaries, including Syria and Iran, and the sooner the better.

As a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Clinton has traveled to both American war zones three times, spent a great deal of time meeting privately with active-duty and retired military personnel at all levels, and immersed herself in the issues that are most critical to the presidential role of Commander-in-Chief.
She has said she will convene the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and her national security team to draw up a safe and viable plan for the withdrawal of our solider from Iraq, with the first troops coming home within 60 days of her taking office.

Hillary has command of all issues foreign and domestic..she's amazing to listen to IF you take the cauliflower out cha ears.
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I was just saying... Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:29 AM
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43. The only judgment has is to lay back and wait... just as he
did on the Iran resolution that Hillary boldly voted yes for. And its easy for
him to speak of judgment on IWR but since he wasn't in the Senate at the time, his
judgment essentially doesn't count. Obama's one-note Johnny-come-lately tune has been
played this to death, particularly by shills like you.

When it came for him to actually have a say on the Iran resolution, he's conveniently
in NH even though he was in Washington, voting, on the same day.

Obama is a Calculating Coward. His freezing up, his inability to make a tough decision when
he's put on the spot, is a character flaw that most keen observers have been able to discern.

His ardent followers still stars in their eyes - too blind to see.
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I was just saying... Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:12 AM
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41. The lone responsibility he's been given in the U.S. Senate
Subcommittee for Eastern Europe or something like that, as chairman he has yet to
convene this committee and he's been chair for THREE years. I know it doesn't sound
as sexy as many other committee seats but, come on, its his responsibility to
at least make an appearance since you are the chair. If that's what he's running
on as foreign policy experience when he isn't even voting 'present' is...embarrassing.

You need to educate yourself.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:58 AM
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35. And your OP reveals your naivete about politics.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:42 AM
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45. "how Washington works" needs to be changed.
And words inspire. The words of FDR inspired. The words of Teddy Roosevelt inspired. The words of JFK, MLK, and Malcolm X inspired.

The Declaration of Independence is nothing but words. The Constitution is nothing but words.

The first step always begins with words.
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