I have been a Democrat

[sallyseven]

for over 50 years. I have worked for many wonderful candidates. I resent the fact that people, like Obama, are going off half cocked and making the statements that it is time for change. So out with people like Ted Kennedy and the rest of the people that have been in the trenches for low these many years. Maybe a little less mouth and a little more reality would be good for you younguns.

The other thing I hate is that independents can vote in the primary. Those of us who have toiled for many years have to compete with some johnny-come-lately to vote for what we think the principals of the Democratic Party stand for. They will be off and complaining about something else in a few months and we might be stuck with their decision.

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[Egnever]

2. Maybe just maybe if the people that have been put into office

Time and again throughout your 50 years would have done more to stem the tide of our rightward surge instead of caving to it time and again there would be a whole lot less independants at this point.

[bunnies]

6. Word. nt

[sallyseven]

29. The american people

will always vote against their best interest. I see nothing wrong with Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter,and Clinton and where they wanted the country to be. The american people sold out to Nixon and Regan and then got suckered by the bush family Mafia.

[NYCGirl]

3. I've been a Democrat for not quite 50 years, but close, and I don't agree with

any of that.

[mtnsnake]

4. Hear hear!

:thumbsup:

[goddess40]

5. I agree - primaries should be for parties to pick their candidates

if they want input they should join a party otherwise be satisfied with the candidates the parties put out for them to pick from.

[Forkboy]

9. Ah, that pesky democracy stuff.

[babylonsister]

7. Cripes. Who said Ted Kennedy is going anywhere? Yea, I want the

same ole, same ole because our party is doing so well. :sarcasm:

Independents are new blood-I welcome them!

[H2O Man]

17. It gets worse.

Obama will force Hubert Humphrey, Tip O'Neill and Daniel Patrick Moynihan to retire if he is elected. Do you want to share the irresponsibility for that?

[babylonsister]

25. I'm just shaking my head in

disbelief here. Or smackin' it! :banghead:

[H2O Man]

28. It gets even worser than worse.

Obama will will replace that democratic shake with an independent nod. Then you'll regret not writing in "Truman" come November.

[babylonsister]

45. Hmmm... Truman. I'll have to keep him in mind.

:spray: :patriot:

[Hippo_Tron]

27. LMAO

[sallyseven]

20. If they are in NH they are republicans

and they would be very happy to skew the vote.

[babylonsister]

23. You're telling me there are no Dems in NH, or you're proclaiming

every Independent is a rethug? Where are you getting your ideas? And don't you think it's conceivable that they are as bloody sick of this admin as we are, and want a change? I don't blame them one iota if they want to climb on board the Dem train-the rethugs offer nothing.

[sallyseven]

26. I hope your right but I doubt their

all that altruistic. I live in MA and they are some group to deal with.

[BeyondGeography]

8. You've seen us lose so many times you don't recognize a winner

But thanks for the lecture anyway.

[cali]

I resent the fact that you're twisting Obama's words about Kennedy

so we're even. And it damn well is time for change. You seem to think he's too "uppity". And as I'm 51, I'm hardly a whippersnapper. BTW, Independents have long been able to vote in NH primaries, and as 44% of registered voters in NH are Independents, it would be beyond stupid to exclude them.

[monktonman]

10. No, your correct Sally, its time for everything to remain the same.

How dare Obama come off half-cocked and start making statements about change?
how DARE he.

I like it much better when you and Ted Kennedy are in the trenches and we can have four more years of republicans. Forget change! Its wasted on the young!

[sallyseven]

24. Oh please just because I think you precious

Obama is not the best choice for president. He, if you really look at his speeches and actions, is more republican than democrat. I remember 4 years ago when you all trashed Kerry and before that Gore. Perfection does not exist. Obama will assure that the repuks will win in November. Just like bush did.

[Forkboy]

11. What a shallow and snotty post.

[Pastiche423]

32. I'd add ill-informed, as well

[thatsrightimirish]

12. So we all ignore Kennedy if Obama is President?

I don't think thats the way it works. Ted Kennedy had his chance and well, you know.

[LordJFT]

13. Give me a break

Ted Kennedy is not representative of congress or the Washington establishment. So don't try and tell us we don't need change just because we've got one good liberal Massachusetts senator who is doing things right. Unfortunately most of the folks in Washington are not at all like Ted.

[sallyseven]

31. More than your willing to admit.

[LordJFT]

40. how so?

[THUNDER HANDS]

14. turn down that rock and or roll music!!!!

when is Ed Sullivan coming on?

[bicentennial_baby]

15. You kids get off of my lawn!

:D

[TwilightGardener]

16. ...

:rofl:

[SheilaT]

18. Can vote in which primary?

Some states have closed primaries, meaning you have to be registered with that party to participate. While it's probably too late to change your state, if what you have is an open primary, you might want to see what you can do to change it for the future.

[Joe the Revelator]

19. Do you know what the proper name is for a party that is afraid of change?

Conservative.

[Adelante]

21. I've been a Democrat for 43 years

This party has to move into the future if we are to survive. I welcome independents and even lapsed Repukes into the big tent. I support Obama now and I feel I am on the right side of history. Why? Because, yes, it is time for a change, including generational change, and he is the one I believe in to lead us out of the past. I'm 60 years old. I'm not looking back at this stage of the game.

[sallyseven]

33. So you think Hillary and John Edwards

are too old? My oh My. I will say this I am probably not going to live to see the end of the next presidents term. I would like to see my country in good hands.

[2rth2pwr]

22. tiny bubbles.

[Beacool]

30. A country forgets its past at its own peril.

I don't believe in throwing out the baby with the bath water. There should be a balance between new blood and those who came before and have the wisdom that only comes with age.

I think that people are blinded by Obama's compelling history and speaking ability. I don't think, though, that he should be our president in 2008. We'll just have to wait until Feb. 5th and see if cooler heads prevail.

As for open primaries, I detest them!!!! Only registered voters affiliated to a party should be allowed to vote in that party's primary. Want to be an independent? Fine, but then you shouldn't have a right to cast your vote in the primaries. Why should some of us work our asses off for the party and a candidate just to have some people waltz in and change the election outcome?

[sallyseven]

34. Bless you.

[Pastiche423]

35. Change the election outcome?

You don't believe every citizen has the right to vote? Moreover, what makes you think that Independents don't work their asses off as well?

Free clue: Many Dems have registered as Independents due to the lack of our congressional Dems even trying to be the opposition party.

[sallyseven]

37. Baloney. They are too lazy

they don't want to have to do the heavy lifting. Every citizen has the right to vote in the General Election but should not be able to pick the party leader in the primary. That is for the people who stick their neck out and work year round to the candidates.

[Hippo_Tron]

38. Sorry but it's not a requirement to work year around to vote in a closed Dem primary

All you have to do is check a box.

[Pastiche423]

41. Where are you getting your information?

The only difference for many is the change in registry. I have sat in the pouring rain campaigning and holding signs for Dems every two years. I have also organized fundraisers, meet-ups, letter writing, etc.

I became an Independent when my party of thirty two years, the Democratic Party, left me. My change of registry did not change my support of left leaning Dems.

The crap you are spewing about Independents is a bunch of hooey.

[H2O Man]

42. But independents

are different than us. I mean, I like everyone. But independents seem a little too independent for me. And I'm uncomfortable around people who are too different than me. Especially if they are independent. I think we should consider allowing dependents to vote for us, maybe.

Henry Ford once said, "Change takes time." These people who want it to come too fast are scary. Another hundred years is not too long to wait.

[Pastiche423]

43. Wow, man

you described me to a tee!

Tee hee.

[Hippo_Tron]

36. Not all party members work their asses off for the party

All you have to do to be a party member is check a box. Some independents work harder for Dem candidates than some Democrats.

[Cha]

39. I think your post

is santimonious,disingenous, and fulla sour grapes..sorry you don't feel it's time for a change because of people like Senator Ted Kennedy who is probably ready for some big change, himself.

The one who doesn't want change is that negative fear mongering, bush enabler, hillary clinton.

[Vinca]

44. Did Obama actually say "out with Teddy Kennedy?"

Time for a change might very well mean out with a paralyzed system where nothing - NOTHING - gets done anymore. What's wrong with a little new blood, anyway?

[RoadRage]

46. When did Change mean - get rid of long standing Dems??

I believe Obama (and Edwards & Clintons) quest for CHANGE has much more to do with the past 7 years.. not with the Democratic party. There are PARTS of the party that do need to be changed.. as with politics in general.

Saying that "change is a bad thing" is such a typical line from those who are afraid of change. "I might not like how things are right now, but at least I know that I don't like it".

Well, irrigardless - change is happening.. like it or not!