Kerry got (Al) Gored tonight on Hardball

[dennis4868]

What I mean by this is that the Hardball crew, including Tweety, went after Kerry based on lies and the fact that they say Kerry "waffles" on the issues. They all seemed to be having such a good time doing this. Plus, they ignore all of Bush's waffling on the issues....I cant think of one issue that Bush did NOT waffle on besides tax cuts for the very rich! This is why I sayd Kerry is getting Gored. Al Gore got beat up night after night from the media whores not based on facts but based on emotions and the media never went after the other side (i.e., Bush) for the same things they went after Gore. This is what is now called in politics as being (Al) Gored!

We cannot let this happen to Kerry. The Center for American Progress or some other organization has got to put out a memo listing the thousands upon thousands of times that Bush waffled on the issues. It is pretty easy because there is so much material here. We cannot let Kerry get attacked like this night after night until November. I hope we all learned our lesson in the 2000 election. We will not take this crap anymore. We must fight back hard.....

[jpgray]

1. His representation was pathetic--the charges were answerable

The Kerry campaign sent somebody a little too inept this time. They better either coach the crap out of the person next time, or send somebody with a little more ability.

[TomSeaver]

7. Senator Lautenberg Blasts Republicans as "Chicken Hawks"

"Only a chicken-hawk would attack a political rival that lost three limbs in Vietnam as soft on defense. So I say to my colleagues on the other side of the aisle: we are not going to put up with these insinuations that attack our patriotism and support for our troops anymore."

Have we finally learned to fight back????? Thank you Howard Dean.

http://lautenberg.senate.gov/~lautenberg/press/2003/01/2004224A36.html

[madmax]

45. Lautenberg is a fighter

And Welcome to DU Tom :hi:

[MsDemeander]

48. How did he lose three limbs?

Was it an enemy mine or an ambush?

[oasis]

51. Lautenberg never lost three limbs, by ambush or otherwise. Where did

you get that story?

[Rowsdower]

60. It was neither

He picked up a live grenade.

[katieforeman]

64. Former Democratic Senator max Cleland lost 3 limbs in Vietnam.

Then he lost to a Republican draft-dodger in 2002. The Republicans distorted Cleveland's voting recordand pictured him with Osama.

This should be a cautionary tale to those who think Kerry is more electable because he is a veteran.

[mitchum]

61. Ask Coulter

s/he may have your answer

[molly]

2. Kerry won't let it happen

I'm sure he has a PLAN

He has the right people working to help him - even people that know "secrets". Timing is everything.

[dennis4868]

5. He let it happen

to him tonight by sending out an incompetant representative to go on Hardball....

[molly]

63. I'm not worried at all

[mzmolly]

3. Sorry.... I saw it coming. The electable Mr. Kerry wont be quite so

electable when they are done with him.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

8. Mediawhore Tweety would smear any Democrat.

You know as well as I know that Tweety is a
Damn Mediawhore. He let's the BFEE get away with murder smears
the Dems!!!!!!

:argh:

Tweety, you should have NEVER been born!!!!!!!!!!!

:puke:

:mad: :mad:
:mad: :mad:

:puke:

........and again, :argh:

[mzmolly]

17. Butcha know? What I was told as a Dean supporter is if X can't get

through the primaries, he's toast in the General Election. If Kerry can't handle this, we haven't a hope...

[Mz Pip]

33. Last week Tweety slammed

some Repug operative who criticized Kerry's speaking out against the Vietnam War. It was awesome. The Repug never saw Nam himself and Tweet hammered him on that point and asked him if Kerry "had to have a letter from the RNC" to speak out against a war he saw up close and personal. The guy shut up real fast.

Tweet seems to be an equal opportunity basher these days. I like it a lot when he bashes BushCo. Not crazy about it when he nails one of our guys.

MzPip
:dem:

[oasis]

54. Tweety fiegned outrage at the two Dems for standing up for states rights.

He was peeved because they dodged his Rove-manufactured question about gay marriages.

[lancdem]

9. He'll be fine

It's not like he doesn't know how Rove operates.

[mzmolly]

27. Well then we shouldn't worry bout Hardball right?

:P

[lancdem]

38. Actually, no

It has pathetic ratings. :)

[unfrigginreal]

11. Anyone that didn't see it coming must be blind

Hi Molly! :hi:

[mzmolly]

18. Hey Unfriggenreal...

;) :hi:

[aquart]

14. Well, that's not really helpful right now, is it?

[mzmolly]

21. I guess my desire to be less then helpful outweighed my desire to be

welp, helpful ... :P

[jeter]

36. mzmolly, don't be bitter

He's our candidate. Let's stand up for him.

[DontBlameMe]

53. Not to be rude, but...

he's NOT our freaking candidate yet!!!

[Old and In the Way]

65. Yeah, I can only imagine what we would have been in for if we

had been dumb enough to select Dean. Luckily, the majority of Democrats aren't into self-immolation.

[lancdem]

4. I know Bush will be pushing this

and I assume the Kerry campaign is aware of this. However, I wouldn't worry about "Hardball" specifically. No one watches it.

[dennis4868]

6. It's not simply Hardball...

if you remember 2000 it was the mainstreem media who had this personal hate for Gore.....

[TomSeaver]

10. The issues

that face the country now are much different from the Gore race. It won't work. They did that and they still didn't really win.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

16. Good point. Welcome to DU

[lancdem]

26. I agree

This election will be a referendum on Bush's record (or lack thereof).

[DancingBear]

31. Hi TomSeaver!

Welcome to DU! :hi: :hi:

(regards to the Koos...)

[lancdem]

20. I know

But this is not 2000. I read Kerry's statement on the gay marriage amendment, and it was very clear. Same with Edwards.

[hippywife]

30. And already on NPR this morning

they were playing exerpts of a Bush speech last night to a Repub audience...

It went something like this:

"They say they're against the war...but they voted for it.
They say they're against the Patriot Act...but they voted for it.
They say they're against NAFTA...but they voted for it.
They say they're against the tax cuts...but they voted for them. "

"And that's just one Senator from Massachusetts."

This was exactly what we predicted would happen if someone who wasn't dynamically opposed to Bush became the front-runner.

And this, this is surely just the opening volley. A mere shot over the bow.

[lancdem]

47. I'm not impressed

Just because you voted for IWR you can't question how the war was prosecuted by Bush? Heck, most Americans supported IWR and now have serious questions about Iraq. And the Patriot Act was passed right after 9/11. Only one senator voted against it. What's wrong with wanting to amend it now? It sounds like the WH can't make up its mind whether Kerry's a "Massachusetts liberal" or a faux Republican. Which one is it, guys?

[emulatorloo]

55. Senator from Massachusetts? Oh my time to call W "Play Texan"

K or E can both stand by their records and rebute this silly oversimplification.

Bush cannot win on his record, he can only win by distorting the records of others.

Kerry is already blasting him. . .

[cally]

12. k..what should we do about it?

I didn't see it but Kerry may be our nominee. How do we fight back?

[JHBowden]

13. Raise money. Lots of it.

:kick:

[dennis4868]

22. there is plenty!

the people of DU are pretty good at getting the word out. For example, the Center for American Progress is a great organization and they put out some very informative fact sheets on Bush and fax it off to all media outlets for use....I emailed them reccomending they put out a fact sheet listing all of Bush's waffling on the issues for the past 4 years...Bush has waffled on every promise he made during the 2000 election, except tax cuts for the most wealthy people of course1

[flpoljunkie]

15. This is from the whore Fineman's Newsweek mag's conventional wisdom

John Edwards finally has the two-man race he wanted and he's got an ally in the press, which doesn't want all the fun to end just yet.

Fineman is a disgusting excuse for a journalist--more like a snippy gossip monger.

[bluedog]

19. I seen that and I

would suggest that tweety ask Kerry and Edwards about that question,up close and to their faces..
Their reps kept saying it was up to the states..what was the problem? If the states cannot agree then send it to the courts....isn't that what bush does..when he doesn't like states decisions?

[59millionmorons]

23. You forgot to mention Edwards

The Edwards guy didnt do much better. Hell it took me 5 minutes to figure out Tweety's question.

[BeatleBoot]

24. Agreed.

I took solace in the fact that Fineman described it all as "a controlled panic" in the White House.

This is going to get bumpy, but what the heck. I am proud to be opposing Bush. Even prouder to be a Democrat.

We've already accomplished a great deal. For instance, we caused the Bushies to start their campaign early.

And think about it, they are scared enough to attack Kerry before we have even nominated someone. The coward was too big of a sissy to call Kerry by name in his attack speech with the Repuke governors.

I suggest he get back in his pilot costume, grab his plastic turkey and go find some WMD's in Iraq.

He's going to need them before November 2nd.

[lancdem]

35. I agree with you

There will be ups and downs for our nominee along the way; we all need to prepare for that. However, that comment by Fineman is telling. Josh Marshall basically says the same thing, that the Bushies are being forced to do all kinds of things they never expected, such as having to placate their base (with the gay marriage amendment).

[KittyWampus]

25. Why Mention Just KErry? Apparently Edwards Also Got "Gored"

[dennis4868]

29. Because....

Kerry is getting "Gored" by all of the media....the mainstreem media is falling for Rove's strategy for waffling on the issues when Rove's own guy (Bush) is the king of waffling. It's like Al Cappone complaining that some other guy is not paying his taxes and getting away with it!

[fearnobush]

28. OK, so how does everyone feel about Bush waffling on

being a uniter not a divider. WTF people, this is all they got on Kerry and its pretty weak. Remember, stay focused and minimize to Repukes every ware that the waffles are something ALL politicians do. What about....3 million jobs lost, 547 dead solders, WMD nat, security lies, ENRON!!!!! Halliburton!!!! and a nation divided to name a few.

[JHBowden]

32. Exposing CIA personnel, CO2 emissions, uranium from Niger.....

:spank:

[BeatleBoot]

34. AWOL, Halliburton, Enron, No WMD's...

[59millionmorons]

37. In 2000 Bush was for state's rights

Today he wants to admend the constitution. Sounds like a waffle.

[dennis4868]

39. what about Bush waffling on the issues of....

Global warming
working with the UN to disarm Iraq
Leave no Child Behind by not funding it
Cutting the deficit in half
more jobs
on and on I could go......

[Mika]

52. Don't forget about the spy plane/ China incident

He started out worrying about our captive military people lacking Bibles & talkin tough agin China.. then his outsourcing buddies clued him in on their plan. He waffled and paid China some 24 million of our tax dollars in ransom to get our people and plane back.


That was a pre 9-11 waffle.

[fearnobush]

40. Fight Back People,!!!!!!!....Stop this waffle from burning.

[dennis4868]

42. done!

:-)

[DancingBear]

41. I think the problem lies in how the reps reacted

Granted this was only Hardball, but both (Kerry and Edwards) reps were absolutely terrible in how they responded to Matthew's questions. Either they don't talk to their candidates, or they took tap lessons from Gregory Hines prior to coming on.

Also, let us not fall into the trap of whining why/how * gets away with the same things we (as Dems) get "Gored" for. It is up to us to NOT waffle, and draw the comparison that way. As an incumbent, the moron gets a free pass sometimes - like it or not. We must take the issue of "flip-flp" off the table, and neither the Kerry person nor the Edwards person helped the cause this evening.

Can we get a straight answer next time, fellas?

[dennis4868]

43. they could have easily said....

that Kerry was for the war but now that it has come out that Bush lied about it, he is now against the war. Also, with regards to Leave No Child Behind, Kerry was for it and now is against it because it is not being properlt funded by the Bush crime family.

[KC21304]

49. I think they both did fine . Matthews is the one who looked like a fool

for asking the same question over and over when everyone knew the answer they were giving was the right one. It just didn't fit into the script that Tweety wanted them to follow. He is nuts most of the time. And now MSNBC is proping him up more and it is going to his head. He really thinks he is God's gift to women and Einstein rolled into one.

[Leilani]

56. I Agree, Matthews used to be bad

but now he's unbearable!

He thinks he is "Mr. Politics."

He has 12 guests on & doesn't allow anyone to say anything because
he's too busy screaming.

[59millionmorons]

400,000 viewers

Donahue had 600,000 a night and got canceled. Keyes had 300,000 and got canceled. Tweety is more interested in seeing himself on SNL.

[katieforeman]

44. The lesson of 2000 is that we should nominate John Edwards.

We need a Clinton type of candidate not a Gore type of candidate.

Clinton stayed positive and optimistic. He connected with people. People just didn't like Al Gore that much. It was easier to paint Gore as a waffler because people didn't really know who he was.

Al Gore was very experienced and knowledgeable. Bob Dole was very experienced and a war hero to boot. They both lost. Clinton and Reagan never served in combat. They had zero foreign policy experience when elcted. They won twice.

The best way to keep Kerry from getting Gored is to nominate Edwards.

[59millionmorons]

50. knock knock

Edwards spokesman was just as bad. You cant blame Kerry or Edwards because they handled the question badly.

[emulatorloo]

59. "zero foreign policy experience" won't cut it this time unfortunately

as they say "9/11 changed everything."

If Edwards is the nom he is going to need a VP that makes up for that.

[katieforeman]

62. I agree that a vice-presidential candidate with more foreign

policy experience would be a good idea for Edwards.

But even post 9-11, Edwards is our best bet at the top of the ticket.
People value integrity, conviction, and judgement more than experience when evaluating a potential commander-in-cheif. It makes sense if you think about it. There are many people like John Kerry who served this country with honor. However, that doesn't mean I would want them as my commander-in-cheif. Ronald Reagan had zero foreign policy or military experience when he was elected and that was during the cold war against the "evil empire." People trusted Reagan because he was resolute.

As a memeber of the Senate Select Comittee on Intelligence, Edwards has way more experience than Bush when he was elected. (Remember Bush couldn't name the leader of Pakistan in 2000. John Edwards has traveled to Pakistan and Afghanistan and met the leaders there.)It will be difficult to attack Edwards for lack of experience and say that Bush has done a good job with the war on terror despite his lack of experience when elected.

Remember John Edwards would be on the stage with George Bush not Colin Powell or John McCain. Edwards will seem much more competent and knowledgable compared to Bush.

Finally, has Bush gotten better with experience? Should we vote for Bush because he has more experience as commander-in-cheif than Kerry or Edwards?

[shoopnyc123]

46. I like the way that they responded...

...because they didn't allow Tweety to put words in the next Presidents mouth, to be replayed AFTER election. Yea, one could look at it as non-responsive, but I like prefer to look at it as they *ignored* his stupid questioning/badgering. Is this because there's a rumor that Russert is retiring, (which is a rumor)? He wants THAT job. I love our press!

[Leilani]

58. Where did you hear that Russert was retiring?

I hope not.

Russert is way better than Tweety.

[kher-heb]

57. Bush waffled so its ok if Kerry does

Thats a great way to get people motivated.