How FABULOUS is it that Iowa elected a black man?

[babylonsister]

I am still in awe, that my America, after the bullshit of the last 7 years, wants and yearns for a leader, a man who can help us, regardless of his color, but will inspire the rest of the world?!

How fabulous! I'm a happy camper tonight!

[XemaSab]

1. Totally.

I mean, even having a Black man as a serious candidate was not on anyone's radar 4 years ago...

Amazing. :D

[babylonsister]

5. YES! Think about that!

I didn't agree with him running originally, but I do now. He's inspiring!

[insanad]

112. You and me and a whole world of people of every color, race, and a multi cultural polyglot nation

are giddy with joy and hope that we are finally finally finally past something as silly as racial bias and onto electing someone who can inspire the good in all of us. I too e-mailed his speech to my friends and family (who are almost exclusively MORMON). I waited till no one was looking last night and did a little dance which looks a bit like a washing machine gone awry, hoses flying and waddling across the floor, but joyful anyway. Hope is something I have had in short supply lately and it's just good to have even a little to make the future seem not so damn bleak. I hope the rest of the nation is as inspired by Barack as I am. He brings out the best in all of us.

[BringBigDogBack]

2. It's wonderful

[durrrty libby]

3. Men have destroyed women. No more complicity

[Blue-Jay]

6. Wow.

That's actually weird enough to be hilarious.

Well done! :thumbsup:

[durrrty libby]

10. Back attcha

:thumbsdown:

[Blue-Jay]

13. Give us a kiss, luv...

A "durrrty" one!

:thumbsup:

[durrrty libby]

34. Nah....yech

[babylonsister]

9. Give me a break, libby. Hil lost, get over it, and move on. nt

[durrrty libby]

18. Enjoy your fellating. Eventually It will get tiring

[EFerrari]

20. We should all listen to the wisdom of your experience.

lol

[Cha]

27. Touche!

Jeeze!

[EFerrari]

48. What a great night! So many things to celebrate.

Especially THE TURN OUT!

I hope the GOP is having fits right now! :hi:

[Cha]

53. I'm sure they're

studying on Obama's victory speech in Iowa and turning blue!

It is a great night..kinda surreal~

[durrrty libby]

39. Yes

[Cha]

25. You're just a mean-spirited

little thing, aren't ya.

[durrrty libby]

59. 5' 9" 130 and you?

[TheWatcher]

95. So which is your IQ the 5 or the 9?

It certainly can't be the other number.

Unless you forgot to place a decimal point somewhere.

[Cha]

118. Like I

said.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

91. sigh.

even when they have their asses handed to them, they don't stop.

[TheWatcher]

96. They like to hear themselves talk.

It's actually kind of entertaining sometimes to watch them spin around like a top, making complete fools of themselves.

Other times it's like being cornered by an obnoxious drunk at a Frat Party.

It really depends on your mood. And theirs.

[CTyankee]

105. I want you toknow that even tho I was supporting either Edwards or Biden, I do understand your

feelings. It hurts to come so close and then get slapped in the face by the voters of Iowa. But the fact that younger voters and women voters turned out so much for Obama means that change is in the air and that can be very good for women. This is not necessarily a bad thing, altho you certainly can't be feeling it that way now. We shall see what will happen. Until then, keep your chin up and keep fighting for what you believe is right!

[Vickers]

14. Bwahahaha!!!!!!

Oh, you were serious.


Sorry.

[durrrty libby]

44. Laugh Clown Laugh

[Vickers]

45. You are pretty funny.

Just not in the "ha-ha" way.

Adios, Mr. Morose!

[durrrty libby]

60. Doesn't take much...sad

[TheWatcher]

97. Do you only post these inane one-liners because you lack the creativity and intelligence

to do something more clever and elaborate, or are you just too lazy to try?

Inquiring minds would love to know.

Well, actually we don't care, but I suppose one more childish one-liner COULD be fun.

[Vickers]

102. Sometimes a post does not need or warrant anything other

than sarcasm or ridicule.

I try to be thoughtful in my responses, but not if the catalyst is something that I find so devoid of thought or care or intelligence that I feel compelled to show my scorn.

Sincerely,

Vickers

[Name removed]

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[Occam Bandage]

19. This is war!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

61. I'd sure welcome your input in the Feminists Group.

I'd also like to see you representin' in a thread where the usual DU misogynist crowd is in full force. Supporting women means more than just advocating for the election of one (and a very privileged and elite one at that) to the highest office.

Margaret Thatcher, Condoleeza Rice, and Ann Coulter, to name a few, are all women. Do you think they enhance the status of women in the world?

BTW, I don't agree that men have destroyed women. Not by a long shot. We're here, we're strong, and we pick the candidate we believe in.

[Caseman]

4. I didn't know racism was a big problem for Iowan Democrats?

I guess it's nice. One of the minor reasons I secretly would like to see him take it to the House. However, I hope he opens up the next weeks and actually talks about the issues in detail, not political morse code.

[EFerrari]

74. It isn't about Iowa but about the whole country.

We've slid way back on "race" and mostly because the Republicans use it as a wedge -- as if it had no consequences for real people.

Tonight was a GREAT counter to that. Iowa did just great! :)

[Zookeeper]

86. Despite all of the DU claims that a "white" state like Iowa...

wouldn't vote for a non-white candidate, Iowa is probably more progressive in that respect than many states. There are still a lot of good old fashioned Liberals in the Upper Midwest, who grew up respecting the Civil Rights movement and have waited for this opportunity. Most of the country doesn't understand this region and tends to lump it in with the Midwestern Bible Belt states.

I'm really interested in seeing what kind of response Obama gets in the other parts of the country. Will he automatically have support from Latinos or Asians, for example? Will there be white voters who have lived with diversity long enough to just look at him as a candidate, rather than an African-American candidate?

I agree with you, Caseman: now it's time for him to actually describe his plans instead of relying on "HOPE" and "CHANGE."

[bullwinkle428]

104. Proof that racism dies a little bit more with each successive generation -

skin color didn't mean jack to those TONS of young kids that came out to caucus for Obama

[LakeSamish706]

7. Well in honest response to your post, I don't have any kind of racist card to play...

The only thing that I want from any candidate is serious change, no mater if they are yellow, black, white, or purple... Just show me your cards and get this huge, huge job done if and when you get to the Oval office... And please don't forget the destruction and deaths that have been caused by this previous Administration.... You need to hold them accountable one way or another... Hand them over to the UN to do your dirty work, I don't care... But be sure they do not just walk away from there million plus caused deaths and who knows how many trillion dollars pissed up against the wall in the name of the American Tax Payers.....

Best of luck to whomever....

[EffieBlack]

15. How is saying that it's nice that a black man won the Iowa caucus a "racist card?"

Let's pretend that black people have always been winning presidential primaries.

Sheesh!

[LakeSamish706]

17. WTF are you babling about? huh...... And I must edit this post...

Did you even read my F***ing post prior to your response? I doubt it... Get serious before you respond to a post!

[Anouka]

32. You have a point, Effie. n/t

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[tammywammy]

11. Well aren't you just a peach tonight

:eyes:

[durrrty libby]

24. Time for women to get real or live with the idiot Chris Matthews'

of the world. Good luck with your foolishness

[tammywammy]

31. I'll take your advice to heart....well no, I won't

And I don't watch Chris Matthew's so I don't know what that's referring to.

[durrrty libby]

36. wishy washy. Sad for women

[tammywammy]

38. You don't think Obama or Edwards or any democratic president would stand up for women?

[durrrty libby]

42. You do? Dear god fucking almighty ....No

[tammywammy]

47. I disagree. They would.

Sorry, I'm not voting for Hillary just because she's a female. And I find it ridiculous that you'd think an Edwards or Obama presidency is bad for women.

[durrrty libby]

52. Maybe you need to inhabit this planet longer, but in the mean time hundreds of women

suffer. Live with that

[tammywammy]

55. Wow, you just pulled what my republican mom says

When I disagree with her all she can say is "when you're older you'll understand."

At what age will my viewpoint matter? I'd like to know, so I can write that down.

[durrrty libby]

56. If you need to write it....you lose

[tammywammy]

58. Lose what?

You're the one that doesn't know how old I am in the first place. I'm asking at what age would I need to be to have valid viewpoint?

[babylonsister]

66. Wow, busted. You're a shill for Hil, period. nt

[tammywammy]

69. babylonsister maybe you can answer this?

At what age are viewpoints accepted?

:P Silly really. She knows nothing about me. :shrug:

[babylonsister]

75. She's an angry little person; pay no heed. However, I, and I'm sure

most of us, would have been a good bit more gentle had the queen won. Not so the durrty one.

[tammywammy]

77. There have been many gracious Clinton supporters here tonight

:) She just isn't one of them.

[babylonsister]

78. Thanks, Tammy, and I'm sure of it. nt

[tammywammy]

82. It's been a good night

Everyone here should be amazed at the turnout tonight. That's freaking amazing. Even if your candidate didn't place first, aren't we all here to support democrats. I mean, really, it's exciting to me to see so many people getting involved in the political process and it's good for America and the Democratic Party.

And Obama came in first so: :woohoo:

[EFerrari]

70. Makes you wonder when women will get the vote.

:rofl:

[durrrty libby]

120. Sad for you

[TheWatcher]

93. They really do just keep you around for Comic Relief don't they?

I mean, what other reason could it be?

Your well thought out, reasoned, intelligent posts?

[babylonsister]

12. OK. That bad, eh? See a doc. nt

[durrrty libby]

28. No. You need the doc.

I work with them every day. I really want you to have a special one

[EFerrari]

73. Why didn't you just start your own horribly ugly thread?

That way we could have bookmarked it for when there wasn't enough vomitus in the Universe on any given day.

:)

[Beacool]

16. Why is it so fabulous?

Like some of you say about Hillary: I'm all for a woman president but not that woman.....

Well, I'm all for a black president but not that man.

Too many empty promises, too little experience, too many platitudes.

[Starry Messenger]

26. Why is it so fabulous?

Hillary's all well and nice... but she's to the right of moderate. If that's what you're looking for, then vote thusly. I mean, what's up with that vote to name the Quds force a terrorist organization, when it's a part of a State Military? That's not a terrorist organization, it's a military organization. It seems to me that that sort of pandering to the right of moderate opinion is what's costing Ms. Clinton.

And that's why 'not that woman'. When Barbara Boxer runs, that's a different story.

Meanwhile, a black man who seems to be a little more consistent, and hasn't decided to take the liberal wing for granted... and who manages to get a state's primary win... well that's exciting! I, for one, have had enough of spineless democrats afraid of possible attacks from the right wing... so afraid that they try to make their positions and voting record "right" enough to make it hard to decide if they aren't themselves right-leaning.

[Beacool]

40. Oh please, the guy didn't even bother to vote on the Iran resolution

and don't anybody dare to bring up that crappy excuse about Reid's son working in Hillary's campaign. Every senator, other than McCain and Obama, showed up to vote. Obama? Too busy campaigning in NH and then a couple of days later has the gumption to criticize Hillary for her vote. I guess that it's great to vote present, to abstain from voting (MoveOn ad) or to not even bother in showing up for the vote than to take a stand on an issue. It takes balls (or ovaries) to actually make a decision.

As for Barbara Boxer, I like the lady just fine but she couldn't get elected in a GE. She's too far to the left for the country at large.

[Didereaux]

21. Some delegates were won tonight, NO ONE was elected to anything.

C'mon folks, there are 49 of these place you have to win delegates in..and THEN you have to get more voters to vote for you than the opposition can hide or destroy the ballots for, THEN you have elected someone. Yes, Obama came in ahead of two pretty tough cookies and one or two far better qualified people never made the cut, and that is worth a short grin, before going back on the trail and running the race. Which is pretty good metaphor as Iowa caucus is more a race to the starting line than anything else.

GET BACK TO WORK FOR EACH OF CHOICES! We need the very best candidate, and the vast majority of voters in November if the repugs are to be prevented from finishing us off, once and for all.

btw the reported delegate count fro tonights caucus is 14 Obama 13 Edwards 12 Clinton. and it will take around 1400 to get the nomination!

[Imagevision]

22. Black or Orange, Barack Obama isn't your typical candidate running, he gifted...

actually he's brilliant, (oh, he's black too...?)

[EffieBlack]

29. But he's not the first brilliant, gifted black person . . .

Black folk have been brilliant, gifted, talented, hard-working, highly qualified, etc. for centuries. We were just never allowed to fully participate in the American mainstream. Obama is nothing new in our community. America is just starting to notice. :-)

[Imagevision]

43. Effie, racsim sucks and is obviously counter-productive, I'm grateful for Obama just being here...

the jenna 6 was only two months ago...

[babylonsister]

64. Then good for us, finally! nt

[silverojo]

23. How SICKENING is it, that people think Iowans are racist?

Same crap we heard on CNN, and even from Bill Maher on Letterman. It's no big miracle that people in Iowa don't judge people by their color. People on the coasts need to get it through their thick skulls that people from the Heartland aren't all a bunch of redneck members of the KKK. :grr:

[Anouka]

33. It's unexpected.

It means everyone else has to buck up.

[Critters2]

121. Not unexpected to those who know Iowans.

I keep pointing out that I attended an integrated grade school IN IOWA in the 1960's, but went to Massachusetts for grad school only to find those good libs rioting to fight integration of schools there.

Keep your stereotypes to yourself.

[babylonsister]

62. Obama's win put a lie to that. I love it. And yes, the crap is out there

and will accelerate before it's over. But WE know now.

[EFerrari]

67. Go to The Google and search KKK Indiana and get back to us. n/t

[Zookeeper]

88. There's a difference between Indiana and Iowa....

just like there's a difference between California and Nevada, or Florida and Georgia.

If Obama won rural Indiana I'd be more impressed.

The term "The Heartland" is actual pretty misleading. Perhaps it's the Swedish/Norwegian/Finnish heritage in the Upper Midwest that makes us quite a bit more progressive.

[salin]

99. not to mention the investment in education

two of the best state wide educational systems in the country are in Iowa and Minnesota.

I say that as a half-norwegian, person from and in Indiana.

[Zookeeper]

113. Excellent point!

And it showed. The Iowans really take time to study the candidates and take their duty very seriously.

[EFerrari]

114. I was responding to this, Zookeeper, not trying to smear the entire

area of the country between California and New York. (God knows we have a history here, too. I believe some of the religious extremism that is overtaking the country was originated in Souther California after the 1906 quake, and when I was at Berkeley, one of my neighbors was an office for the John Birch Society.):

"People on the coasts need to get it through their thick skulls that people from the Heartland aren't all a bunch of redneck members of the KKK."

[depakid]

30. Iowa didn't elect a black man....

those very few who caucused on the Democratic side gave him a small plurality of their support.

I suspect he'd lose the general election by several percentage points, at least.

[opihimoimoi]

46. I don't know about the General...but I see where you're coming from, "Plunking" not mentioned

Many Republicans crossed over in my mind.......

[Carrieyazel]

35. They only elected 16 delegates. The real election is in November.

[question everything]

37. If Obama wins the nomination and runs as a black man

we can forget about winning the White House, again.

And, by the way, the Democrat caucus goers of Iowa tend to be like that. I participated in 1988 and Jesse Jackson had a very good showing in my precinct.

[tammywammy]

41. Well if he get the nod

He would be running as a black man...since he is a black man. :shrug: I'm not sure what you mean "run as a black man"

[question everything]

65. I responded to the OP

One hopes that Obama won because of his character and judgment and ideas, not because he is a black man.

This is the difference between him and Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who did run as black men.

[tammywammy]

72. What does "run as black men" mean?

[EffieBlack]

106. It usually means:

He can't:

1. mention he's black (although white people can refernce his race all they want);

2. Mention civil rights or endorse any controversial civil rights measure;

3. Suggest that black people still have a harder way to go in America or indicate he believes that his own suiccess is not conclusive proof that racism and discrimination no longer exist in America and the playing field is now perfectly level;


4. Do or say anything that provokes "white guilt," such as taking anyone to task for making racist comments or mentioning any unpleasant facts of history such as slavery or segregation (unless invoked to to show that America has conquered all of its racial ills);

5. Appear to have any respect, regard, or affection for Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton - even though they paved the way for him, he should act as if he's never heard of them and distance himself from them at every opportunity.

In other words, if he wants to avoid being accused of "running as a black man," he'd better not give any indication that he thinks he is one.

[Pastiche423]

49. Runs as a black man?

How else is going to run? Change the color of his skin?

:crazy:

[question everything]

71. Will he run as a candidate of ideas who happens to be black

or as a black man who happens to have ideas?

There is a difference that I am sure he can see, even if you cannot.

[Pastiche423]

80. Sorry

I see no difference in your two statements. Can you explain what you mean?

[Imagevision]

50. When Obama wins the nomination he will win the election by a landslide

[Sultana]

51. The man IS black

running as black man????????:crazy:

[Critters2]

122. Technically, he's of mixed race descent. nt

[Egnever]

54. It rekindles my hope in this country.

And the dream I have of it.

[babylonsister]

63. Me, too! Thanks! It could be fabulous! nt

[hisownpetard]

57. Me, too. For several minutes, while watching Obama's speech, I remembered

how good it used to feel to be an American and had the hope that maybe, once more,
it'll be possible to say that without wincing.

A very proud moment for him, his family and the country.

[AtomicKitten]

68. And by such a nice margin.

I am beside myself tonight with, wait, what's that again?, oh yeah, hope. What a great night!

Happy.Happy.Joy.Joy

[babylonsister]

76. It's unreal! He rocked, rolled, and then some!

:toast: :evilgrin: :bounce: I'm still beside myself!

[AtomicKitten]

79. And by 8 mo-fo points!

Gawd, it was beautiful! I guess the last DMR poll was right on target.

Cheers!

[babylonsister]

81. His win was a 'hope' for me, but exceeded my wildest expectations.

Obama GOTV, in a big way! :toast: :bounce: On to NH now, and we'll see how they respond.

[Kablooie]

83. We may yet become a nation that judges a man by the content of his character.

[babylonsister]

85. That's what happened tonight. I really believe that, which is why I

support Senator Obama. You nailed it! I miss 'character' and 'content'.

[SoCalDemGrrl]

84. It's great but... Barack Hussein Obama is gonna be swift boated

like no other.

I wish it wasn't so, but with a middle name of "HUSSEIN" and
having been schooled in Indonesia, supposedly at a Muslim school,
the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY (Fox,Hannity et al) is waiting in the wings to tear him
to shreds. They are waiting silently now, hoping he gets the nod and if he does
I'm very afraid of what will be done. It will get VERY ugly.

[babylonsister]

87. Thank you for your suspect concern.

HE didn't pick his middle name, so what's the deal? He lived in Jakarta? So? I've been to Indonesia 15 times in the last 12 years; I'm not Muslim. What does that actually mean? He was young, went to a school. So? You're making mountains out of molehills before even Hannity has a chance.
What is YOUR agenda?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

92. damn.

I am so envious. Always wanted to visit jakarta.

By the way, a group of Hillary supporters tried and failed to swift boat him, and he refused to be kerryied into a failure mode.

In fact, I think it made him a stronger candidate, exactly the opposite of what Penn & Wolfson had planned.

[babylonsister]

110. Well,

I've never been to Jakarta, but Bali, lots. Still Indo, with scary Muslims and Hindus. Never felt threatened, by anyone. So it's an empty smear imo.

[SoCalDemGrrl]

116. No agenda.. it's just that every Repub I know has already been spewing

this crap. It's out there, I didn't make this up.

and.. by the way I'm a dyed in the wool Dem, my son even worked at the DNC during the 2000
debacle. I'm just worried about what our enemies have in store.

The DEMOCRATS must win to keep our democracy.....

[salin]

100. They are ready to spring on and swiftboat any of the dem candidates

that is what they do.

[Geek_Girl]

108. Your right they'll tear him up

but I think he can really get out the youth and Independent vote like no other candidate, because he proved he could do it in, whiter than white Iowa, in record numbers and with that kind of power he'll kick GOP ass!

[SoCalDemGrrl]

117. Geek girl - God I hope and pray you're right....

[Major Hogwash]

89. What's really cool is that they have embraced his message of change.

This was the message that Kerry didn't get out very well in 2004.

We must change directions in this country.

I think that what George Will said tonight is true - Americans have grown beyond the argument that discussed the color of a person's skin or the gender of a candidate to be a leader in this country.

And I'm no George Will fan at all, but on this I agree with him.

We're all Americans, and it's time for us to pull together as Americans and face the problems that Bush has created for us in order to solve them.

We can't just "stay the curse" for "4 more years, 4 more years".

I hate that chant.

[NanceGreggs]

90. I think I know where you're coming from ...

... my BabylonSister - and I had the same feeling tonight.

Count me in as one of the happy campers!!!

[Perry Logan]

94. It's a great victory for "guy politics."

[TheWatcher]

98. Awwww.

[alteredstate]

101. It's wonderful!

[flpoljunkie]

103. Fantastic! Thank you to the good folks of Iowa who studied well the Dem field and chose Obama!

[Geek_Girl]

107. I'm still an Edwards supporter But I think it's pretty damn cool!

nt

[Tactical Progressive]

109. I think it's a very good thing

Obama doesn't have the experience or the skills to be anywhere near the Presidency. But I do agree that it's good that a black man wins a primary campaign especially in a heavily white state, though I think someone here said Jesse did it earlier.

I've said here elsewhere that most of America is finally culturally ready for a black man as President.
I'm not worried about it anymore. It will happen soon enough with or without Obama.

I do think that a woman as President is going to be much harder. That's one reason not to miss this chance for Hillary. That and that she's probably more ready to be President than anyone I've seen since Bush Sr twenty years ago.

It's too bad they both had to come in the same election, but there's no doubt that Hillary is better qualified and skilled for the job.

[babylonsister]

111. I would vote for a woman in a NY minute, just not this one. I'm over

the Clintons and don't see her as experienced as you do. Whatever. The best man won last night and I'm enjoying that.

[laureloak]

115. Ahem...that wasn't an "election". Get off the high horse before

you're knocked off it.