Panic in the Hillary Clinton camp

[BringBigDogBack]

http://politicalnighttrain.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/panic-in-the-hillary-clinton-camp/

Just as Political Night Train predicted, the Hillary Clinton campaign is sensing a terrible loss in Iowa. Internal polls show Hillary coming in 3rd, behind Edwards. Their “crash and burn” plan is to step up the attacks on Obama, but this will only lead to greater loss. The key is to attack Edwards, draw off his supporters. A second place finish in New Hampshire, where Hillary has a good organization would spell significant trouble.MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton’s backup plan if she falters in Iowa can be summed up in two words: New Hampshire.

She's toast.

[City Lights]

1. You need to scream PANIC in your title!

;-)

:thumbsup:

[Joe the Revelator]

2. I've said it twice now, but if she comes in third in Iowa she really might as well concede

because the news is only going to get worse for her in NH and SC.

[CoffeeCat]

15. Well, that's good news...

...because she's coming in third, possibly forth.

All signs point to Hillary tanking here.

I'm surprised she hasn't packed up, left Iowa and stood waiting in
California, where she will be able to engage in more definitive
and reliable forms of winning an election--like vote stealing.

[Tesha]

62. NH's hard to call.

> because the news is only going to get worse for her in NH and SC.

NH's hard to call. Hillary is clearly the darling of
the professional Democrats (the party high mucky-mucks
who are DLC from head to toe) but she's not all that
well loved among the troops who actually do the work
and provide the feet on the ground; the troops have
annoyed the leadership by shifting over the last
several years in a decidely more-progressive and
less DLC-dominated direction.

And then there's the question of the "independent"
(more properly, "undeclared") voters. Nearly all of them
are actually closeted Republicans, and polls are suggesting
that 60% of them will take a Democratic ballot this year.
I'd personally guess that theyll mostly be voting for
Hillary in the hopes of monkey-wrenching the Democrats
in the General Election.

But the results from Iowa will certainly have an effect
on all of this. I guess we'll just have to wait for the
returns next Tuesday night...

Tesha

[DURHAM D]

3. Wow - that took some diggin'. A three week old article. Ummmh...

[K Gardner]

7. Well, makes some sense. Three weeks is about the time the attack dogs were set loose on Obama.

[tammywammy]

8. Thanks for pointing that out

I didn't see that it was three weeks old.

[seriousstan]

9. No, a 3 week old blog.

Don't dignify it as an article.

[Teaser]

4. SOY BOMB

thank you for trying SOY BOMB.

[tammywammy]

5. Interesting

I think some of it depends on who in the GOP wins in Iowa. I think if McCain wins, it's going to hurt Obama and help Clinton, but I think a Huckabee or Romney win will help Obama and hurt Clinton. But I hadn't really pondered if Hillary came in third in Iowa. If any of the top tier candidates comes in third in Iowa and NH, then it's over for them, I don't see how they could overcome it.

edited to add: But it's all so close, I don't want to predict who I think will win in Iowa.

[Catherine Vincent]

6. OMG! How Terrible!

Whatever will we do?!?!?!

[CoffeeCat]

17. All I can do...

...is offer you a nice, comfy chair and a box of Kleenex.

Just cry it all out. It's ok.

;)

[Catherine Vincent]

27. I can handle that.

:hi:

[JI7]

10. if she loses Iowa they will play up the "come back kid" stuff in NH

that helped Bill Clinton win in 1992. "you did it before you can do it again".

Bill will probably be the first one there if not already there.

[gorekerrydreamticket]

54. "Kid"?

not hardly...

[BlueJazz]

11. Here you go >>>>

[CoffeeCat]

12. This jives with what I heard...

I've mentioned this before.

About a week ago, there were two high-level Democratic party members on a local
right-wing radio program discussing the campaigns.

One of the Dem-party officials began talking about recent conversations he had
with Hillary staffers and how worried they are. He said that their "internals"
were troubling, and that the Hillary campaign was "worried."

Then, that day and later--Hillary began making statements to the MSM about
"Iowa not being essential". Then, she backed off, realizing that she couldn't
campaign here while minimizing the caucus and the state of Iowa.

What the OP says directly reinforces what these Dem-party officials were saying.

She's tanking.

I'm not at all surprised. Her campaign has been a total fiasco and a failure.
From a PR perspective, the campaign was a total disaster. She planted questions,
failed to connect with Iowans and was Bush-like with her orchestrated speeches
and failure to do open/honest Q&A's like the rest of the candidates.

Hillary rode into Iowa with her only her inevitability. Her shoddy campaign soon
caused Iowans to look seriously at other candidates as her inevitability proved
to be smoke-and-mirrors. When they did. They liked what they saw and hear--a lot.

Look at the poll trends in Iowa. Hillary is sinking like a stone and Obama
and Edwards are rising--during this critical time in Iowa when people are
firming up their final decision on which candidate to caucus for:

From Dec 27-28------> Dec 29-30 Hillary declined from 27-23
From Dec 27-28------> Dec 29-30 Obama increased from 29-34
From Dec 27-28------> Dec 29-30 Edwards increased from 23-26
Source: Des Moines Register Final Iowa Poll
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080101/NEWS09/301010015/-1/iowapoll07

[BringBigDogBack]

13. I'm not at all surprised. Her campaign has been a total fiasco and a failure.

"From a PR perspective, the campaign was a total disaster. She planted questions,
failed to connect with Iowans and was Bush-like with her orchestrated speeches
and failure to do open/honest Q&A's like the rest of the candidates."

True.

[liberalnurse]

53. Your new around theses parts..............

:shrug: Your mission is??????????????????????????????????

[desi]

57. Actually,

I believe that the campaign against her, from the extremist right wing AND extremist left wing, has been shameful and will get worse as we near the general election. Will the present smear job work? Only time will tell. Hopefully the extremes from BOTH parties will fail to bring her down as they failed to bring President William Jefferson Clinton down. Carry on....

Pee Ess...I'm gonna K&R this radical right wing website garbage so that more can see who is truly in panic mode.

[Diane R]

26. Thank you for your posts. I've enjoyed your Iowan perspective.

[CoffeeCat]

28. Thanks Diane...

...it's been fun and it will be over in less than 48 hours!

As another Iowan said, "Will the candidates still respect us on Friday morning?"

I think the answer is that it will feel like a one-night stand that lasted a year,
after the candidates are done with us.

[Cha]

64. I can only imagine..it's

treacherous from here in New York. I'll respect all you hard workers out there on the front lines of Iowa when they're gone.

[madrchsod]

14. well if she loses iowa her staff needs to go

she had a big lead in iowa and it vanished by a series of really bad mistakes by her staff. as much as i detest her i will concede she should win the nomination if her staff can get it together

[Capn Sunshine]

18. They honestly don't know how

that would mean admitting they don't know what they are doing, and inside the beltway, that is seen as career suicide.

[CoffeeCat]

20. You can't blame her staff...

This really is all about Hillary.

The only thing holding her campaign together was the MSM polls, name recognition and
the mantra "inevitability."

I really believe that her campaign (after seeing them in action in Iowa) was stupid
enough to believe that they could hang out in Iowa for a while and sail on out of the
state with a victory--by relying only on her "inevitability."

The thing is...Hillary herself had absolutely NO PLAN for Iowa. It was like Bush in Iraq.
She misunderestimated us!

Iowans and the citizens who vote first--take this process very seriously. They demand to
speak with and challenge the candidates. Hillary wouldn't do it. She came into
Iowa with her bag of Rovian tricks. She wouldn't answer an Iowan's challenges on her
Kyl/Lieberman vote. Instead she was rude and accused him of being "a plant". He wasn't.
He was just an ordinary citizen.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/07/400826.aspx

Then, she plants questions at her own, impersonal events. Lies about it when she's caught,
and then another woman comes forward to reveal that she was also asked to ask a planted
question. Hillary never got real with us.

The other campaigns were engaged, creative, open and real. Edwards has criss-crossed this
state, like a madman--meeting with small groups of people and answering questions one-on-one.
Obama has run an incredible, inspirational campaign. Hillary never comes from beyond her
red, velvet ropes. She often preaches, then leaves. Whereas the other candidates answer
questions and conduct town-hall meetings. I saw Joe Biden in a small bar, for God's sakes
and I hugged Elizabeth Edwards. Barack Obama called me when he heard I was undecided. It's
nutty here, but Hillary decided that she had this wrapped up and that she didn't need to make
her case here.

She's going to suffer for it, and it's not about her staff screwing up. Those minions don't do
anything without Hillary's approval.

[iconocrastic]

60. "Let's chat."

Gag me with maggots.

[CoffeeCat]

63. Man, some of you people...

...say the most hilarious things.

You talk like freaky drill sergeants pumped up on crack.

[BenDavid]

16. your observation is so full of holes...Why panic when you are tied

or ahead in the state? Oh my my I could find a site called Political Day Bus and say, "the Obama campaign is sensing a terrible loss in Iowa and if he finishes other than first will obama drop out as his wife and hisself said he would do if he loses?

Obama is the one that needs to be fearful. HRC has one of the most concentrated campaigns in iowa and I will venture to say here and now, HRC won iowa by a narrow margin but the key word is WON.....Then on to NH where she is leading by 8 to 10 points...

Michigan by double digits....Nevada by double digits....

South Carolina HRC by 4 points

Florida by double digits

California by double digits

New Jersey by double digits

Now I wonder why it is that Rudy gets a bye on Iowa and he knows he will lose iowa but the msm seems to disregard that but puts out negative story after story about HRC? ...

[Hardrada]

29. Pride goeth before a fall!

[Lerkfish]

43. post.of.the.day

so true.

[indimuse]

46. tooshay BD.

:hi:

[juajen]

66. Ok people, drop the tooshay. Please don't use words that

you can't spell. It's touche with an accent mark on the "e" if you have that key. I'm sorry. You have been visited by the semi-retired DU Spelling Police. I just had to come out of retirement for this one.

[indimuse]

47. tooshay BD.

:hi:

[TexasLawyer]

19. Don't people realize that Hillary is "inevitable"?

:sarcasm:

[Didereaux]

21. the day you see the likes of Clinton 'panic' you will also see a Rottweiler run from a chihuahua!

[gorekerrydreamticket]

42. Ha! You must not have dogs..That can easily happen....n/m

[loveangelc]

22. I don't believe it. I think she's trying to lower expectations. But it would be wonderful if true.

[loudsue]

23. Iowans see people's character more clearly, because they spend a lot of time

with the candidates. My guess is, Hillary showed her true colors. She would do better in, say, California, where people are more accustomed to actors. But once people see what she's really about, they wouldn't want her for president.

Hill isn't Bill.

[sandnsea]

25. Bill made serious gaffes too

His against the war from the beginning hurt her as much as anything. Plus some of his nasty attacks. I think people got a sense of exactly what Obama was talking about when he said we had to put that stuff behind us if we were ever going to have a chance at change.

[cali]

30. what nonsense. Iowans don't see people's character more clearly

that's a silly chauvenistic statement. NH, for instance, sees candidates just as up close. And if Iowans are so astute, how come they've elected someone like Grassley?

[CoffeeCat]

31. You are spot on....

Hillary could not connect with real people. She also refused to stop
hiding behind the red, velvet ropes and get real. Most of her campaigning
was well-orchestrated media events, instead of opportunities to get to know
her and ask her questions.

Her lack of honesty and openness was really a turn off. Compared with the
very-open and inspirational campaigns run by Obama, Edwards, Richardson
and others---she was a failure.

The message I got from her campaign is that she's impersonal, Bush-like
in her tactics, flat, lacking in leadership and creativity, presumptuous,
disorganized and has a real difficult time being authentic and real.

Her campaign blew two of her main assertions out of the water: That
she was inevitable and that she had the experience to lead this country.

I saw a floundering, dishonest, overly-staged candidate who planted questions
and was petulant with voters who asked her questions.

How does someone touting a mountain of experience--while criticizing other
candidates for their lack of experience--fail to run a successful campaign
in a small, rural state?

[iconocrastic]

61. BINGO

"I saw a floundering, dishonest, overly-staged candidate who planted questions
and was petulant with voters who asked her questions."


Said well.

[Teaser]

24. I said SOY BOMB goddammit

SOY motherfucking BOMB!

Doesn't anyone want to dialogue?

[Catherine Vincent]

35. LOL!

:shrug:

[saltpoint]

32. It's true. The Clinton campaign has turned all the livestick loose, knife-slashed

the mattress to get the wad of bills, and set fire to the house and barn.

Terrible are their screams!

[shireen]

33. it annoys me no end that

two states are making these decisions for us!

[Eurobabe]

34. This blog is from early December n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. This Is From (Your) Website

HILLARY AND BILL: THE ULTIMATE IN WHITE TRASH

Larry Nichols SWEARS that Hillary and Webb Hubbell were having an affair and that Chelsea is probably the seed of Webb Hubbell, NOT Bill Clinton. Larry Nichols tells about the time in early 1978 when Bill was having a meeting with his inner circle of supporters. Hillary barges in - “Hillary yelled “Bill, what are you doing?” Bill replied “Hill, I’m gonna run for governor!” Without missing a beat Hillary said “Well I gotta get in Rose … I’m gonna fuck Hubbell!”
After screwing Webb Hubbell (probably), Hillary then began having an affair with Vince Foster who became her best friend, lover, confidant, teacher and most importantly, emotional husband. James Carville, Hillary’s close friend, say this about Paula Jones who pervert Bill had exposed himself to in May, 1991 “Drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you you’ll find.” Hillary and Bill are 2 Yale-educated lawyers who have chosen to live a wildly dysfunctional Jerry Springer lifestyle for 36 years. Hillary and Bill are the ultimate in white trash.

CHELSEA IS PROBABY THE SEED OF WEBB HUBBELL, NOT BILL CLINTON


http://politicalnighttrain.wordpress.com/about/





And this:


The Liberal Philosophy
This page is dedicated to the philosophy of the Liberal, done in an effort to help folks better understand why liberals think the way they do. Let’s begin with a simple definition of a Liberal. Generally this is any person who has the follow two values, 1) Redistribution of the wealth; and 2) they truely believe they know what is best for everyone else, regardless of what you value or believe. In my further installments I will continue to espouse on the liberal philosophy and give concrete examples of real world persons that reflect that philosophy.

What Liberals Say vs. Don’t Say

When listening to liberals one must be careful to listen for what they don’t say. The reason for this is liberals have a very difficult time talking directly to an issue. Take for example, Hillary’s explanation of her support for or against drivers license for illegals. She talked around the issue say she either did or didn’t support it, but understood how Spitzer could support it, because he was faced with a problem created by the Bush administration. Liberals always seem to be looking over their mental shoulders or sniffing the political air.

Here’s a great Liberal quote, “I like to think of America as a suffering patient, where Hillary is an experienced doctor. What we need here is some good medicine.”

Like the typical Liberal, their philosophy is to convince the public that they are sick, poor, down trodden, and generally worse off than they really are. And government (aka, Hillary’s “village”) is always the answer.


http://politicalnighttrain.wordpress.com/the-liberal-philosophy/

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. AND

Members are permitted to link to highly partisan conservative websites, provided that they are doing so in the proper context.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

[hayu_lol]

38. Simply amazing...we have yet to complete the first of the primary contests...

and the nay-sayers have Hillary panicking all over the place. Of course she isn't and neither is Obama, Edwards, Biden, Richardson, or the rest. Matter of fact, this primary isn't even an election in the purest sense.

There are 50 states out there. Some are tiny, some are gigantic, all would like to have a say in what happens next. They didn't last time.

Some of you really need to re-read Nance Gregg's latest offering before venturing into more verbal nonsense.

No matter what happens in Iowa, in a few more days everyone will be in NH and going for the brass ring.

Patience, this is not a football game.

[fightindonkey]

39. LOL, Obama Won't Get It, Iowa Has Lowest Turnout

And they've never elected a woman to higher office. Means nothing. Sorry Obama fangurls.

[Cameron27]

51. Unbelievable

[WillTheGoober]

40. heh ...

She's toast?

Oh come on. :eyes:
This is just silly.

Hillary has run a great campaign here and will continue to do so. As Democrats, we should be proud of what she's done so far -- and as a Hillary supporter myself, I am so excited about what I'm seeing and looking forward to smear articles like this being dismissed.

It's nice to hope and pray for a win -- but it is a sure thing to count on hard work and organization.

W.

[Perry Logan]

41. Are anti-Hillary folks aware that they make this claim every 3-5 minutes?

It's always based on their uncanny ability to read minds.

[Lerkfish]

44. here's the dynamic

people point out problems with Clinton: the candidate, how her campaign is run, etc.
and you point out problems with those people.

do you understand what's broken about that dynamic?

no, I thought not.

[Evergreen Emerald]

50. That is not quite the dynamic

People distort / exaggerate / twist / ridicule / make up shit about Clinton as if fact, then the gang of people who appear to hate Clinton, repeat it in thread after thread until people get angry/defensive and attempt to defend her.

Then, those that defend her are ridiculed and called names and some even tell them to leave DU that they do not belong.

[Lerkfish]

58. hmmm. our observations differ widely

so be it.

[dailykoff]

45. The pussycat speech did seem slightly psychotic

unless she was wearing a catsuit when she gave it.

[formercia]

48. People are fed up with the politics of Fear

The Bernays Haze is beginning to dissipate.

[mckeown1128]

49. I disagree....

I think the nightmare senerio for Hillary would be. Obama first, HIllary second, and Edwards third. This would give Obama momentum and Edwards's votes in New Hampshire. She wouldn't be able to beat him in New Hampshire if Edwards were out of the picture.

[mckeown1128]

52. Quick

Someone talk about his drug use or middle name. Quick!!!

[Renew Deal]

56. Exactly

They've thrown every pile of bullshit at Obama. If they still lose, it might be over.

[Renew Deal]

55. Here's Hillary's Disaster Recovery Plan

[rinsd]

59. LOL! Now haters are depending upon RW blogs!

Look at that joker's link to list!

[Beacool]

65. Oh, please!!!!

The average voter doesn't give a damn about the IA caucus. I don't know anyone who will vote for any candidate depending on who they pick in IA or NH for that matter. Both states are small and have almost zero diversity. IA & NH are made more important than they should be by the media, regular folks don't care.

None of the front-runners are tanking until Super Tuesday. That is the day that will actually decide our nominee, until then they are all viable.