Flame Away, But Barack, John, Hillary, Joe, Bill, Chris & Dennis Are Not the Enemy.

[David Zephyr]

Folks, keep your passion, cheer your candidate, but please no one can convince me in any post here at the DU that any of our candidates wouldn't be nothing less than a refreshing and hopeful change after the shit we've been through for the past seven years.

Keep that in mind as you mix it up here. None of our candidates are the enemy. Not one.

It's the other bastards that are our enemy.

Remember them? Those God-damned Republicans.

[sakabatou]

1. Those damned Rethuglicans.

[onehandle]

2. Amen! nt

[LakeSamish706]

3. No flames from me on your great post.... I agree totally... Although...

I do favor some over others to sit in the White House as our next President... As stated in a much earlier post (following the last debate) I would love to see all of these people in the next Administration in one capacity or another.

[Double T]

4. And what say YOU about those God Damn Democrats that ACT like rethugs?

[Catch22Dem]

9. Better than REAL rethugs (n/t)

[Occam Bandage]

25. Evil. Fortunately, there are none.

Perspective: does a mind good.

[DCKit]

42. OK, How about Democrats who vote with the Rethugs on a regular basis?

I know, "the highest score for party unity in a million years" and all, but what about the votes that actually MEAN something to the happiness, safety and health of the citizens? The DLC and Blue Dogs are "conservative" Dems who somehow find a way to justify voting with the Rethuglicans far too often.

However, I do believe that, with a majority of independent Dems in both houses, peer pressure and a fear of public embarrassment would realign a lot of thinking on the hill.

[Stop Cornyn]

5. So you're saying Mike Gravel is the real enemy? Gotcha.

[TwilightZone]

6. This tends to explain a lot:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3859715&mesg_id=3859715

Edit: by the way, I completely agree with you.

[Ishoutandscream2]

8. Oh boy!

That's disturbing.

[1corona4u]

18. Yes, it is...

[TwilightZone]

22. Agreed.

Either there's a lot of grandstanding going on, or there are a lot of DUers for whom the D part of DU isn't particularly applicable.

[zforce]

7. Dennis is not the enemy, But the rest are the same ol'shitt. N/T

[Catch22Dem]

11. Yes, no difference between the rest, and the rethug candidates

Just like 2000 :eyes:

[Webster Green]

13. Including Dodd?

Did you see or hear his speech on the Senate floor a couple of days ago?

[David Zephyr]

30. Chris included.

I did see his speech and it was not only powerful, it shows he could step into the White House tomorrow and work one day a week and do better than the idiot there now.

[1corona4u]

15. So, can we assume that the DK supporters are the ones saying no on the poll?

[TwilightZone]

24. Not entirely.

There are a lot of Green and other third-party people on DU. Some of them aren't particularly supportive of many Dems at all, though Dennis tends to be one of the least objectionable to them.

[Forkboy]

34. Only if you want to look like an idiot for extrapolating one person to a whole group.

[Occam Bandage]

26. So you'd say there isn't a dime's worth of difference between the Dems and Pubs?

Apparently eight years is long enough for people to forget.

Wait. Holy shit. Eight years. There are voters who were only ten when Nader fucked over the nation. No wonder.

[Webster Green]

32. Gore won Florida!

Criminals stopped the vote and stole the election.

You need to get up to speed on this stuff. Nader is not to blame.

[Occam Bandage]

33. And if just 1% of the 90,000 FL Naderites had come to their senses, Gore would be in the WH today

[Webster Green]

35. No, you're not getting it!....The vote counting was stopped.

This was a coup. The Supreme W. Court was in on the fix.

They would have denied Gore the presidency by whatever means necessary.

[Occam Bandage]

40. And explain to me what they would have done,

once the initial vote tally showed Gore up by 400-500, which is what would have happened if 1% of the Nader-voters had come to their fucking senses. Push for a recount? Gore's lead rises.

[Webster Green]

43. Same shit they pulled in Ohio in 2004

Kerry won big, but they switched everything (including the exit polls) in the middle of the night.

[Occam Bandage]

45. Ohio had touchscreen voting. Florida had paper ballots. Remember?

And remember that's why we're pushing for paper ballots again? So you can't swap votes around? Sheesh. Short memories.

[Webster Green]

48. The counting was stopped.

Doesn't matter how you are voting if the votes don't count.

[Occam Bandage]

51. No, the recount was stopped. Were you awake in 2000?

[Webster Green]

53. Jeb and Cruella would have found a way.....trust me on that

This was a coup that would not have been denied.

[creeksneakers2]

36. Nader is responsible for the war

and Bush and all of it. I don't want to read finger pointing attacks that don't and can't defend what Nader did.

What's more remarkable, the same people are pushing others to skip voting for the Democrat again. These Nader people don't care one bit about the war they caused.

[Webster Green]

39. No!......Cheney is responsible for the war..

Nader was correct all along.

The only difference between the dems and the pukes is how quickly they get on their knees to the mega-corporations.

[Occam Bandage]

41. Both are responsible. We all warned Nader what would happen. Dumb shit didn't listen.

[Webster Green]

44. Nader warned us and we didn't listen..

We thought the dems would be agents of change.

Now we have the majority in both houses, and nothing has changed (OK, next to nothing!)

[Occam Bandage]

46. You know what else?

The Republicans just set a motherfucking record for filibusters, and the session isn't halfway over. They're unprecedented obstructionists.

[Webster Green]

47. Those weren't real filibusters

Those were some kind of new "auto-filibusters", sanctioned by the dems.

They should force them to stand and filibuster and display the obstruction.

[Occam Bandage]

50. LOL "some kind of new auto-filibuster."

Explain to me exactly how this is different from the filibusters the Democrats engaged in under Bush. Hint: there is no difference.

[Webster Green]

54. Difference is the dems caved when threatened with "Nuclear Option"

The dems aren't threatening the pukes with anything, just giving them whatever they want.

[AspenRose]

10. Thank you

K & R

[Journeyman]

12. A month or more ago, posts upon posts extolled the quality of all our candidates. . .

now there seems a rush to find fault -- not differences, not qualities or rationales, but negativity and attack. It's a major reason I ceased looking for reasoned primary debate on these boards.

[1corona4u]

14. Thank you....

that has been my position for the last couple of days...we can not chastise any of them for things we don't happen to agree with right now. We need one of these people in the WH in 08, and that is CRITICAL for us to reverse all of the damage that has been done.

So, while I may not be happy with the day to day events, I am looking at the BIG picture. I will not make a bad decision about my candidate, or the others that have been under fire, because the future is where it's all at. We are stuck in a quagmire of republicans now, and we need to make sure that the best person wins, who is able to beat ANY republican, otherwise we can all kiss everything we know good bye. We are in the final stages of the campaign in Iowa, a crucial time, and we need to give them the support they all need.

Long term people, long term.

[noamnety]

19. Longer term.

longer term, we need to hold firm and demonstrate that we will not allow both democrats and republicans to continue the drift to the right. If we can't make that stand - and if they can't get the message that drifting right costs them elections - then long term we have serious problems. Our left is where our right used to be.

[frogmarch]

16. I reserve all my hatred

for republicanz.

Edwards is my #1 choice, but I love every one of our Dem candidates.

Edited to say K&R

[kster]

17. Damned Republicans, AND DAMN Democratic candidates that REMAIN SILENT about secret vote counting

ahhhhhh what the hell do I know?

K&R

[Djinn]

20. I'm not a Democrat

nor would I be if I were an American voter. Not sure about the word enemy but if it applies to one party supporting exploitation of workers and super exploitation of the third world I don't see why it shouldn't apply to all of them.

[emilyg]

21. K&R

[TwilightZone]

23. kick

[Lucinda]

27. ...

k&r

[OneBlueSky]

28. "Those God-damned Republicans" wouldn't be so powerful . . .

without their God-damned Democratic enablers . . . if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem . . .

[rhett o rick]

38. Bingo bango, get out the cupy doll. Right on. Lesser of evils has gotten us where we are today. nm

[Inspired]

29. Thanks for keeping it real!

K&R

[rhett o rick]

57. Sorry but the post ain't real. All Democrats are not our friends. I know you would like it

to be easy for you. Like all that have a "D" behind their names are good and all that have a "R" are bad. Sorry, life ain't so easy. There are numerous Democrats that are our enemy.

[Armstead]

31. Unfortunately, not a change from the shit we've been going through for 35 years

Obviously, Pee Wee Herman would be better than the current president and his crew in the GOP.

However, in the bigger picture, we've been getting hammered in more fundamental ways by both parties since 1980 (and earlier).

In addition to a change in the party that occupies the White House, we need a change in direction -- or at least a major course correction -- in the basic performance and values of the Democratic Party.

The election ought to be about that as much as booting out the GOP.

I also think that is the key to Democrats actually winning and governing successfully for the benefit of the nation at this point in history.

[rhett o rick]

37. So are you saying that all Democrats are good?? nm

[Bucky]

49. But Mike Gravel IS the enemy.

The enemy of my masturbation

[NoPasaran]

52. Yeah! It's the damned Republicans who are the enemy!

Them, and those Peoples Front of Judea assholes!

[rhett o rick]

55. Who is more dangerous those that are clearly the enemy, the repukes, or

those that claim to be on our side but vote with the repukes? All Democrats are not good. The sooner we admit that the sooner we can get to fixing the problem.

[NoPasaran]

56. What-ever, smartypants

Don't you ever get tired of sounding like a broken record?

[rhett o rick]

58. Sorry if the taste of your koolaide makes me sick. And smarty pants, lol, haven't heard that

since third grade. I hate to break it to you but life isn't as easy as republicans are bad and Democrats are good.