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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:25 AM
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How long before the Dems figure out we are not sheep
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 12:34 AM by sjdnb
From their lack of going forth with investigations, to their mind-numbing support for idiotic resolutions (Petraeus/BetrayUs and Christ/Christmas), to their premature acquiescence on anything they think Bush/the GOP won't 'go for' (Iraq, FISA, etc.) it appears the Dem Leadership mistakes their constituency for followers ... well, surprise, surprise, we won't blindly follow your gutless, pathetic, unimaginative, lead.

I'd rather stay home than support a party that is so lazy/gutless/unimaginative as to set aside the will of the American people so quickly -- and, to gain what? Nothing.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:27 AM
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1. Baaa?
Just kidding. Better to be sheep, actually--ignorance is bliss.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:27 AM
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2. 1988 comes to mind
when they refused to prosecute for Iran Contra...

And sadly that may happen... people may stay home

I don't know if the country can afford Republican Rule any more, but the only way a party, ANY party, gets it, is when they loose elections. Short of that they never do. So my question is... can you afford at least two more years of Republicans?
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:29 AM
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3. What's the difference?
I haven't seen any since the Dems won the majority in 2006 -- can you?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:05 AM
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8. Yes I have in some of the bills they have passed
and actually MANAGED to pass through the Reich Fuehrer...

This is how a majority and a Dem President would work.

They will keep on with our IMPERIAL policies abroad, since we are an empire and an empire will do what it will do...

But nationally it will be less painful

That said... the ONLY way a party gets it is when they loose elections... and my DEM congresswoman, she is very good in national policies, but I cannot MORALLY vote for her... since she has voted for things like the FISA bill or the stupidity on Christmas yesterday

If somebody challenges her in the Primaries that person will get my vote. In the GE I am not sure I can vote for her... ethically and morally speaking... even when I know a Pug would be just as bad or worst from that POV
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:08 AM
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9. Name one and whaaaaa?
I kind of figured you were trying to say the Dems did something ... but, didn't offer specifics. After that, you lost me.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:56 AM
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12. That is easy
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 01:57 AM by nadinbrzezinski
Minimum Wage.

Part of the 100 hour agenda... and bush did NOT, I repeat, DID NOT veto that one.

And as to loosing you... I don't expect our foreign policy to change that much... regardless, We are an empire and until we are physically kicked out of Iraq, that will not change... (And that is coming)

But nationally the dems are better for your pocket book and economic interests. That does not mean I will vote for my rep... she has voted for some questionable bills (at least in my eyes... such as the FISA Bill)
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:58 AM
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23. Staying Home
Staying home from the polls and taking another kick in the teeth by allowing a Republican to be elected might be the only way to get Democrats to take voters seriously.

UNLESS...the Democrats now in office don't care what the people think because the voting machines can be controlled, and both parties might be willing to negotiate in that matter. Sarcasm. Or maybe not.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:31 AM
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4. When we stop acting like sheep...
...seriesly...
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:33 AM
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5. The same old royals are at it again
"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular
representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress
them." -Karl Marx
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:35 AM
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6. I hope the first few primaries do it.
If they don't, then we're in big trouble.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:59 AM
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7. They Know We're Not Sheep, But BushCheney are Wolves, and They Don't Want to Get Eaten




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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:23 AM
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10. How's this, start to elect new people who represent us, and vote those that
don't represent us out?

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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:31 AM
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11. Doesn't work that way ... by the time we figure out they're failures
we're into another cycle and have been screwed over the last one.

That's why politicians become politicians. It's good work if you can get it -- and exploit it.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:06 AM
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15. Ah gee, I wonder how the country survived for over 200 years
I might remind you that the Democratic party used to be the party of segregation, but because OF THE PEOPLE, they changed

It is up to WE THE PEOPLE

If you think it doesn't work that way, and want to give up, that is your problem. Things have been far worse in this country than what we are going through now. If it doesn't work that way than you change it, and if you think it can't be done, than you might as well get off the train.

If people had the attitude you express during the civil rights movement, there would be no civil rights, no unions, no labor laws, no women's rights, and so many more things that we take for granted

So there are ups, and downs, big deal, the country went through a civil war and WWII and survived, but not with the attitude that it doesn't work that way.

You only acheive something by fighting for it, and it doesn't happen over night. It start locally, moves to the state level, and finally to the federal level.

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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:42 PM
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16. Times have changed
Perhaps, in the future, people will have the ability to affect major changes from a grassroots level.

But, the global economy, media consolidation, wealth and power consolidation, and complete lack of anyone ever being held TRULY accountable for fraud, crimes, corruption, etc. does not give me much confidence in the 'system' as it exists today.

And, if ever there was a time that called for those who have been charged with providing checks on executive power, protecting and defending the Constitution, and representing the will of the people, that time is now.

However, as far as I can tell, the people who have been elected to carry out those duties have been either failing to do so themselves and/or impeding others who do try.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:54 PM
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17. The difference between now and then is people are more ignorant and consumer-oriented.
In the 1930s people were very sharp about economic issues and class warfare. They had to be. They had nothing left after the Great Depression began. In the 1960s, people had to be smart to fight segregation. They had to be. They had no rights. Today, people aren't smart simply because the schools skim over real, bloody history, and the news media reported on OJ and Laci Peterson or anything else that got ratings but left people uninformed about the state of the nation. They're walking into a gun fight without guns.

You've got such a consumer-oriented culture in America now compared to previous decades that knowledge about how the economy operates, about civil rights, about the bloody struggle of labor in this country, and about the environment are being neglected in favor of knowledge about celebrities, gossip, fashion trends, and the newest gadgets and gizmos.

In an environment of ignorance, democracy can be murdered.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:55 AM
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13. When the studios of the M$M get torched.
As long as the M$M exists, the public will remain ignorant.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:27 PM
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19. ding, ding, ding...we have a winner.
the only reality based suggestion in this entire thread.

the democrats are going to have to be more afraid of their own party, than they are of the pukes (read corporations), who control the M$M.

the politicians aren't gonna voluntarily give up their gravy train.

get elected, serve, and you are SET. FOR. LIFE. why would any of them want to rock their boat?

the system is too slow to respond. it took the pukes 30 years to get their people in place. we don't have 30 years.

besides, the american public are sheeple.

WE here at du, and those who think like us, aren't.

we're cats. and you can't herd cats. once the party realizes that we DO have choices we can make, then maybe they'll change. but they are counting of the fact that we have nowhere else to go...

and EVERYTHING, all information that goes out to the sheeple, revolves around the M$M. they HAVE to be taken down.

let's see how many decades it takes to hold them accountable for passing lies and biased reporting off as truth.... SUBVERTING the constitution. how long before they are held accountable for treason.

bicker all you want about the definition of treason, but when the will of the people is subverted, and a hostile force (pnac) takes control of this country, invalidating the constitution, THAT is treason. it doesn't matter if it is foreign or domestic.

again, we don't have the time for a slow as molasses system to "work".
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:48 AM
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14. You ARE sheep. You believe anything bad the media tells you about the Democratic leadership.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:20 AM
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21. All I have to do is watch CSpan
That's where my disillusionment with the DLC and Dems in Congress comes from.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:05 PM
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18. We ARE sheep! We nod in unison while the media picks our candidate for us
We clap when Tweety eviscerates one of our own. We applaud when FoxNews airs a hit piece on our fellow dem.

We are nothing but sheep.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:29 PM
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20. Vote Kooch in your primary. That'll freak 'em out. nt
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:34 AM
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22. Just go through the threads in this forum
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 12:35 AM by pipoman
about the '08 candidates. The debate is beyond the issues and is concentrated on destroying the competition within the party. Before we can be effective a whole bunch of people are going to have to quit cannibalizing others within the party. As badly as you may hate it one of the other candidates may get the party's nod and there is no way to pull back the defamatory comments made today.

Frustration aside support your party or quit bitching about the pugs running things.
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