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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:50 AM
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Edwards floats anti-lobbyist (and Clinton) pledge
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11...

Edwards floats anti-lobbyist (and Clinton) pledge

by Jim Tankersley

Pledges have become quite the rage in politics over the last decade or so -- Gover Norquist's no-tax-increase pledge most famously -- but usually it's candidates who sign them. Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards turned the tables this morning, unveiling a web site that asks voters and caucus-goers to pledge their allegiance to candidates who don't take money from lobbyists or "special interest" political action committees.

The pledge, posted here, states its target as the "broken system in Washington that works for special interests and not us." But politically, its target would seem to be a single person: Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., who leads the Democratic presidential field in national polls.

Clinton, Edwards' campaign notes frequently, accepts lobbyist and PAC money. Edwards never has. Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, the other leading Democratic presidential contender, accepted lobbyist and PAC donations in the past but hasn't this campaign.

The Edwards camp says signing the pledge wouldn't stop anyone from voting for Obama -- or for Clinton, if she announced she was no longer taking lobbyist dollars. Of course, the pledge can't actually stop anyone from voting for any candidate -- it's not written in blood -- but announcing it brings some obvious strategic benefits for Edwards.

For starters, the pledge reinforces Edwards' populist campaign themes that pit average Americans against powerful interests that have a "stranglehold" on the federal government, as one spokesman put it today.

"Lobbyists have taken control in Washington and Americas hard-working families pay the price," the pledge website reads. "They've stopped universal health care. They've secured unfair and unsafe trade deals that have cost America good middle-class jobs. They've left our children at risk from unsafe toys. They've sabotaged clean energy legislation that would address global warming. And they've squashed efforts for cheaper generic prescription drugs. Enough is enough. America belongs to us."

The site also asks people who sign the pledge to provide an e-mail address and zip code -- handy data for campaign micro-targeters to have when they go to turn out voters this primary season. The campaign says it hopes to get 1 million people to sign on.

You can sign the pledge here:

http://americabelongstous2008.com/
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:54 AM
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1. Kicked.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:55 AM
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2. Great post!
It's about time. Done & Done.

K&R

You beat me to this one! lol


Edwards 08!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:58 AM
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3. Good idea - asks voters to put some muscle behind their complaints. nt
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:35 PM
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29. Edwards leads all candidates through June 2007 in contributions from lawyers,
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 01:35 PM by MethuenProgressive
Edwards leads all candidates through June 2007 in contributions from lawyers, receiving $6.6-million. Aren't lawyers, including the Association of Trial Lawyers of America, lobbyists?

"Sure they're lobbyists," Ritsch said. "Just because you're not a federally registered lobbyist doesn't mean you dont want something in return.

From the PolitiFact story debunking:

"John Edwards never -- has ever from the beginning of his political career has never taken PAC money or the money of Washington lobbyists. Ever." -Joe Trippi, senior campaign adviser

PolitiFact ruled this is only half-true. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/124 /
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:59 AM
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4. Signed with alacrity! I hope this is successful.We need to weed out corruption
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 11:05 AM by saracat
and Edwards is the man to do it!
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:08 AM
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5. I'm really starting to dig this guy. k&r nt
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:18 AM
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6. Ha ...
That's the fastest I've ever signed on to an on-line form ! Seems to me that Edwards has a very smart bunch of people working for him. I'm sure this trend will continue when he enters the White House in January 2009.

I know we're focusing a lot on Iowa ( which I feel certain he can take )... but I think we also need to take a good look ( and get the word out to friends and family ) at the Super Tuesday states. If he can win Iowa, do good in NH , and then build to some powerful Super Tuesday wins ... this is going to be a wonderful 2008 !!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:47 AM
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7. Amen. From your lips to God's ear!
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:51 AM
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8. Take a look...
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 12:06 PM by asdjrocky
Take a look at this list of Lobbyist, they all support Hillary.


Cory Alexander (Fannie Mae)
Michael Anderson (AndersonTuell)
Don Auerbach (Investment Company Institute)
Lyndon Boozer (AT&T)
Bill Broydrick (Broydrick & Associates)
Gerry Cassidy (Cassidy & Associates)
Steve Elmendorf (Elmendorf Strategies)
Janice Enright (Ickes & Enright Group)
Vic Fazio (Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld)
Holly Fechner (Covington & Burling)
Jeff Forbes (Cauthen Forbes & Williams)
Adam Gluck (Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal)
Richard Goodstein (Goodstein and Associates)
J. Eric Gould (Tew Cardenas)
Fred Graefe (Law offices of Frederick H. Graefe)
Charles Hansen (Hansen Government Relations)
Tom Hebert (Ogilvy Government Relations)
Harold Ickes (Ickes & Enright Group)
Peter Jacoby (AT&T)
Joel Johnson (Glover Park Group)
John Jonas (Patton Boggs)
David Jones (Capitol Counsel)
Tim Keating (Honeywell International)
Alison Kutler (Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal)
Reta Jo Lewis (Edwards Angell Palmer & Dodge)
Joel Malina (Wexler & Walker Public Policy Associates)
David Marchick (Carlyle Group)
Tama Mattocks (Strategic Health Care)
Chris McCannell (Quinn Gillespie & Associates)
Mike McNamara (Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal)
Gwen Mellor (Hogan & Hartson)
John Merrigan (DLA Piper)
Mike Merola (Winning Strategies)
Linda Morgan (Covington & Burling)
Evan Morris (Roche Pharmaceuticals)
Ben Noble (Troutman Sanders Public Affairs Group)
Sean O'Shea (Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld)
Steve Palmer (Van Scoyoc Associates)
Peter Pappas (Pappas Telecasting Cos.)
Scott Pastrick (BKSH)
Heather Podesta (Heather Podesta & Partners)
Joe Pouliot (The CJR Group)
Steve Ricchetti (Ricchetti Inc.)
Mark Siegel (Locke Lord Bissell & Liddell)
Sandi Stuart (Clark & Weinstock)
Richard Sullivan (Capitol Counsel)
Dan Tate Jr. (Capitol Solutions)
David Thomas (Mehlman Vogel Castagnetti)
Paul Thornell (Citigroup)
Loretta Tuell (AndersonTuell)
Blair Watters (The Madison Group)
Anne Wexler (Wexler & Walker Public Policy Associates)
Marcia Wiss (Hogan & Hartson)

It would make me sick, if I wasn't so used to this.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:11 PM
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9. LOL. So John is asking people NOT to support his campaign.
Because I could be wrong but law firms and hedge funds tend to be looked at by the voting public as special interests.

See this is why he's full of shit.

He'll take special interest money provided its simply bundled vs from a PAC.

ActBlue $1,965,274
Fortress Investment Group $187,850
Stearns, Weaver et al $131,000
Lerach, Coughlin et al $93,950
Goldman Sachs $77,100
Whitten, Nelson et al $66,250
Girardi & Keese $64,400
Beasley, Allen et al $61,850
Watts Law Firm $61,000
Morgan & Morgan $60,050
Skadden, Arps et al $54,950
Deutsche Bank AG $54,750
Citigroup Inc $49,200
Sidley Austin LLP $43,950
Brent Coon & Assoc $42,700
Kramer, Dillof et al $36,400
Motley Rice LLC $36,200
Baron & Budd $35,590
Brayton Purcell $35,100
Weitz & Luxenberg $34,600
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:26 PM
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11. That ActBlue you are toting
so seriously? Part of that money is from us here on DU:

http://www.actblue.com/page/du-presidential
John Edwards
President
Raised on this page: #116 $6,826

Title & Author Donors Total Raised
John Edwards for President
by John Edwards for President
52,399 $4,193,192.31
Bloggers For John Edwards!
by Amy Goodale (NCDem Amy)
130 $9,465.60

Democratic Underground Presidential F...
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Netroots for Edwards
by PhilGoBlue
75 $3,220.89

Help Me Elect John Edwards!
by Sarah Lane
49 $2,940.07

Pizza for Progressives
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John Edwards for President 2008
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The Edwards Page--Vox Populi
by Vox Populi
32 $808.42

DC for John Edwards
by Allyson, Ben and Jeff
24 $505.00
Don't Mourn, Organize!
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22 $2,150.00
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Muzzy's John Edwards ActBlue page
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Texas Kaos Fundraising Page
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Tea Party 08
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Things I thought about while having m...
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Contribute & Donate to John Edwards C...
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Dub-V (WV) Donkeys
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2 $50.00
Take Our Country Back
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2 $40.00
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Those who take a stand
by Julie U
2 $30.00
A (very) little bit helps.
by Tony
2 $20.00
Jan 20th, 2009
by Alisa Roost
1 $200.00
Political Artwork Blog Supporters
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1 $200.00
Raisin' for Edwards
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1 $200.00
Progressives for Edwards
by Ben Tafoya
1 $195.00
KitchenTableTalk
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1 $100.00
Progressive Backlash
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1 $100.00
TheEdwardsOption
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1 $100.00
Winning the Presidency
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Andrew Cohen's Picks for 2008
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1 $50.00
Blue Dollars for Monroe County
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BoyBlue's Al Franken Fund
by BoyBlue
1 $50.00
Edwards for President
by David Driscoll-Knight
1 $50.00
Fair Trade Coalition for John Edwards
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1 $50.00
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1 $50.00
Main St. USA
by truth
1 $50.00
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Surf City for Edwards
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1 $33.40
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Blue Florida
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EDWARDS TO WIN BACK AMERICA
by Nina Swan
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by Joel Caris
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Love for John Edwards
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Blue Vision Fund: The Possible America
by David Kenneth Beckwith
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Blogs for Edwards
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1 $10.00
Democratic Dreams
by Erin Blair
1 $10.00
Has your health insurance bill gone u...
by Gary
1 $10.00
New Hampshire for John Edwards!
by Daphne Charette
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Texas for Edwards
by Tammy
1 $10.00

The ones I have put in Bold are people that I know post on Daily Kos and some cross post over here - Get over it - take out ActBlue and you virtually have nothing when compared to Hillary and you know it.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:59 AM
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12. I left in Act Blue so people could see they were his single biggest donor.
If I had left them off, I would have been accused of distorting his record.

I leave them in and I am somehow slurring them. :shrug:

"You virtually have nothing when compared to Hillary and you know it."

Edwards is a two faced phony who gladly takes money from special interests provided it doesn't run afoul his populist rhetoric in its delivery method.

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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. Again -
"they were his single biggest donor"....And who is Mr/Mrs. ActBlue? I really want to say you are so full of something but I won't.

:hi:, Have a Nice Day.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:18 PM
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10. took me less than 5 minute to find lobbyists who had contributed to edwards campaign
Also, contributions listed from attorneys/consultants working for entities that engage in lobbying, incuding trade associations, law firms, consulting firms. And there are lots of trial lawyers listed -- folks who work for big litigation outfits like Jack Olender or the Cochran firm -- maybe its not the association of trial lawyers, but is it really that different?

I find the whole "no contributions from lobbyists" mantra pretty silly.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:02 PM
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13. And that doesn't include the amount of money
he's gotten from bundlers. He won't release that information.

http://lakeexpo.com/articles/2007/11/19/top_news/08.txt
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:48 PM
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19. I wonder if you actually read the artical.
Seriousley, this is far worse for Clinton, and Obama, than for Edwards. Did I miss something?

Edwards released a list of 669 "solicitors" through the first three quarters of 2007. He releases the names of everyone who has collected money, regardless of amount.

Here's more:

Clinton, on the other hand, releases only those who have raised at least $100,000. So far 320 people, whom she calls HillRaisers, have done so. Obama identifies those who have raised $50,000, or 354 people for the first three quarters of the year. The tally was compiled by Public Citizen.

And just a little more:

This is 100 percent about transparency and electing someone who is open and honest to the presidency; that's why we, unlike our opponents, release the names of everyone who fundraises for Senator Edwards," his spokeswoman, Colleen Murray, said.

Lincoln disagrees with Edwards' characterization of full disclosure because he does not reveal how much money each person is responsible for.

"You can disclose nobody or disclose everybody -- they're two different ways of being opaque," he said.



My take? Clinton has like 90 mil. Obama has like 80 mil. And Edwards sits at about 30 mil.

Who's getting money from major corporations?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. I read it,
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 12:54 PM by seasonedblue
and he released the names, not the amounts given. Only you, like Edwards, thinks this gives him transparency, and that this makes it worse for Clinton and Obama. I'd rather know who's donating big money to these candidates, and Clinton and Obama have released that data.

Mr. Clean needs to release all the info before he takes on anyone else.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. Ok....
Would you like to take a look at a bridge I have for sale?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. You have zero credibility on this board
as far as I'm concerned.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. Right back at ya!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. Stick with the rah rah threads,
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 01:27 PM by seasonedblue
you're very good at cheerleading Johnnie and demanding things of other DUers that you won't bother to provide yourself. I've been posting on this board for quite awhile now, and I could care less what you think of me. Honestly, I wish you'd put me on ignore.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. You're projecting.
But really, I don't take it personally.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. Another substantial contribution
So nice to see you bringing no facts to the table
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #13
26. People have no concept of nuance?
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 01:20 PM by ihavenobias
It's a matter of *how much* special interest money and also, *who* you owe. That will go a long way toward determining the frequency and or importance/influence of those favors.

For example, considering our current situation WRT Iraq/Iran (etc.), loads of money from the defense industry really scares me. Same deal with the dire need to overhaul health care and loads of money from the health care industry.

So again, it's a matter of degree. Some people are much further to one side of the spectrum.

What scares you about money coming from lawyers? More questionable lawsuits, higher medical expenses (which actually have very little to do with malpractice lawsuits overall), what? I'm not saying there is NOTHING to question, but where are your priorities?

Compare that to a candidate (who shall remain nameless) taking gobs and gobs of money from the defense industry, the healthcare industry, the telecom industry, etc.

Really, there is no comparison.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #10
18. Really?
Can you show us what you found? Coz I've looked, and I've found nothing. :shrug:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:05 PM
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14. In the nomination process, maybe -- but not in the general
That pledge would -- if taken to its logical conclusion -- automatically put whomever the Democratic nominee is at a disadvantage.

It translates into: Do you want to fight the GOP Money Machine with one hand tied behind our backs?

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #14
25. Translation
Actually, it translates to "do you want to sign this or would you prefer to fight the GOP Money Machine by putting up a candidate who most closely resembles an actual GOP candidate?"
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highflyingbird Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:07 PM
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15. Signed
Things must change. JRE is the one for the job.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:08 PM
Response to Original message
16. Sign up on Edwards' email farm today
Receive your give me money email tomorrow! What meaningless drivel this is.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:33 PM
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28. The drivel you speak of, is wise marketing. The act of providing your opinion and or/your contact
information, is the first step taken toward commitment.

I think you are much smarter than your drivel. Such drivel as your comment does not serve political debate well.
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